Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

m

No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

m

No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

You can still do all of that without streets named after traitors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

m

No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

I'm at least as Southern as you are and I've never needed a statue of Robert E. Lee to do any of that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

m

No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

Half of these things do feel like a pretty white version of the South, to be honest. So you can't get away from race even if you try.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

I think anyone can have an opinion and they don't need to be from VA to express it.

However having to see these statues on a daily basis could definitely to having more of a personal opinion on the matter rather than speaking from a moral standpoint. I have never once seen a segregationist or confederate’s name be used in md or dc.

DP: Of course you have. The now re-named Woodrow Wilson HS ( that was known as “the white HS” when I was a child) was named after an avowed segregationist, who worked very hard to intensify segregation throughout the Federal government and throughout DC — the Federal City.

Newlands fountain, in Chevy Chase Circle was named to honor a real estate developer — who was responsible for developing neighborhoods marketed with restrictive racial covenants. Those are just two. There are many, many more, from Founding Fathers who enslaved people, to presidents like Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren who built their reputations on genocide. And some of us will always refer to the airport as “National”.

Just to add that many people from DC, MD, and beyond work and shop in Virginia on a daily basis. If “having to see these statues on a daily basis” is somehow what counts in order to express an opinion, then it is in no way limited to the people who live in Virginia.



https://dcist.com/story/22/01/18/white-supremacist-name-removed-chevy-chase-fountain/

These are names from the past and it’s appropriate to rename buildings that bear the names of racists.

More recently, however, DC used taxpayer funds to erect a statue downtown of ex-mayor Marion Barry who expressed notoriously racist views, particularly about Asians. His name also prominently adorns (stains may be a more apt word) a large DC government building at 14th and U Streets. Shouldn’t Barry’s name be removed and the statue exiled to a museum or something?

Sure — although it’s interesting that you’re so eager to “both sides” or something that you equate genocide, murder, and legal segregation with “expressed notoriously racist views.” With that as the standard, the list of statues and names that should be removed will be a LOT longer.

[Anonymous]

So we all good?

REMOVE: racist trash signs and statues in public areas
KEEP: sweet tea, cowboy boots, hospitality

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

I think anyone can have an opinion and they don't need to be from VA to express it.

However having to see these statues on a daily basis could definitely to having more of a personal opinion on the matter rather than speaking from a moral standpoint. I have never once seen a segregationist or confederate’s name be used in md or dc.

Black people don't have the power to be racist in this country. Find another false equivalency.
DP: Of course you have. The now re-named Woodrow Wilson HS ( that was known as “the white HS” when I was a child) was named after an avowed segregationist, who worked very hard to intensify segregation throughout the Federal government and throughout DC — the Federal City.

Newlands fountain, in Chevy Chase Circle was named to honor a real estate developer — who was responsible for developing neighborhoods marketed with restrictive racial covenants. Those are just two. There are many, many more, from Founding Fathers who enslaved people, to presidents like Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren who built their reputations on genocide. And some of us will always refer to the airport as “National”.

Just to add that many people from DC, MD, and beyond work and shop in Virginia on a daily basis. If “having to see these statues on a daily basis” is somehow what counts in order to express an opinion, then it is in no way limited to the people who live in Virginia.



https://dcist.com/story/22/01/18/white-supremacist-name-removed-chevy-chase-fountain/

These are names from the past and it’s appropriate to rename buildings that bear the names of racists.

More recently, however, DC used taxpayer funds to erect a statue downtown of ex-mayor Marion Barry who expressed notoriously racist views, particularly about Asians. His name also prominently adorns (stains may be a more apt word) a large DC government building at 14th and U Streets. Shouldn’t Barry’s name be removed and the statue exiled to a museum or something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is an example of why these monuments need to be removed, schools need names changed, and a lot of history needs to be taught.

Can you imagine that here we are, in 2022, explaining why slavery was bad? This entire thread is frightening.

Well this thread is also very biased. What percent of these posters you think are from VA as opposed to Dc or Md? Probably only half. Also take into account the political biases, it’s not representative of the state at all.

I think anyone can have an opinion and they don't need to be from VA to express it.

However having to see these statues on a daily basis could definitely to having more of a personal opinion on the matter rather than speaking from a moral standpoint. I have never once seen a segregationist or confederate’s name be used in md or dc.

Black people don't have the power to be racist in this country. Find another false equivalency.
DP: Of course you have. The now re-named Woodrow Wilson HS ( that was known as “the white HS” when I was a child) was named after an avowed segregationist, who worked very hard to intensify segregation throughout the Federal government and throughout DC — the Federal City.

Newlands fountain, in Chevy Chase Circle was named to honor a real estate developer — who was responsible for developing neighborhoods marketed with restrictive racial covenants. Those are just two. There are many, many more, from Founding Fathers who enslaved people, to presidents like Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren who built their reputations on genocide. And some of us will always refer to the airport as “National”.

Just to add that many people from DC, MD, and beyond work and shop in Virginia on a daily basis. If “having to see these statues on a daily basis” is somehow what counts in order to express an opinion, then it is in no way limited to the people who live in Virginia.



https://dcist.com/story/22/01/18/white-supremacist-name-removed-chevy-chase-fountain/

These are names from the past and it’s appropriate to rename buildings that bear the names of racists.

More recently, however, DC used taxpayer funds to erect a statue downtown of ex-mayor Marion Barry who expressed notoriously racist views, particularly about Asians. His name also prominently adorns (stains may be a more apt word) a large DC government building at 14th and U Streets. Shouldn’t Barry’s name be removed and the statue exiled to a museum or something?

See: 16:13. Was this posted twice for a reason?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So we all good?

REMOVE: racist trash signs and statues in public areas
KEEP: sweet tea, cowboy boots, hospitality

Are cowboy boots really southern, though? I think of them as western, appropriated by southerners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we all good?

REMOVE: racist trash signs and statues in public areas
KEEP: sweet tea, cowboy boots, hospitality

Are cowboy boots really southern, though? I think of them as western, appropriated by southerners.

I dunno. That is how the PP identifies as Southern.

I’m sure there is a wide spectrum of cultural elements.

KEEP: anything that isn’t referencing slavery, the Confederacy, and/or white supremacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

m

No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

Southerners don't wear cowboy hats. That's a Texas/Western thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

m

No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

Maybe because Southerners keep insisting that racists represent Southern culture? Take down those statues and celebrate the good parts of Southern culture instead of celebrating the racists, maybe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

m

No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

Maybe because Southerners keep insisting that racists represent Southern culture? Take down those statues and celebrate the good parts of Southern culture instead of celebrating the racists, maybe?

Oh. And maybe don’t treat women like trash.

[Anonymous]

Reminder: The Confederacy was only a brief 4 years of the South's history.

Beavis and Butthead lasted twice as long as the Confederacy did. Yet we haven't raised Beavis and Butthead statues all around the country, we haven't names schools and military bases and roads after them, have we?

The Confederacy is one of the WORST parts of Southern history. You have much better things to celebrate. LET IT GO, Southerners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

m

No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

Maybe because Southerners keep insisting that racists represent Southern culture? Take down those statues and celebrate the good parts of Southern culture instead of celebrating the racists, maybe?

+1000

Also, if it were really just about "Southern pride," why aren't you clamoring to put up more statues of real Southern heroes like MLK? Oh, right...