CNN Special - Moms who voted for Biden explain why they voted for a Republican(Youngkin) in Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

Many. That's actually how I know. Our family is friends with families we met through sports who are both low-income and POC.

Name the school. Name a typical occupation of the parents of these families, then name your occupation. Hell, name the sport. You're making things up.

DP. I am UMC with a kid who played on a predominantly Latino soccer team before and during covid. He was often the only white kid on the field. It was coached in English and Spanish. He is still very close with the kids, whose parents work in food service, healthcare, construction, cleaning, etc. They didn't have a common view on school closings (some supported, some opposed).

I realize you never emerge from your bubble and you actively keep your kids from ever interacting with the kids of poorer immigrants. That isn't true of all of us.

Did you poll them in your excellent Spanish? Please.

(Btw, I'm bilingual and my kids attend a Title 1 school.)

Yes. I speak Spanish well and we've had plenty of conversations about schools. Also, my kid is good friends with the entire team and they talk about everything. They are teens with their own opinions.

Like I said, you obviously segregate your kids, but we all don't.

That's great about your teen. When and where have YOU had "plenty of conversations" with these Spanish-speaking parents about schools? And which one of us has kids in a Title 1 school again?

Back it up, sister.

Huh, so you can't read. I said I had conversations in Spanish with the families, who are long-time friends. Also, my kid was in a predominantly Latino school with 40% FARMs. No longer, because I've lost trust in public school.

You know, your sense of superiority over poorer immigrants just rolls off your posts. You send your kids to a title 1 school, but obviously hate their classmates and don't let your kids befriend them.

Name the school.

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I’ve said it elsewhere on here. The normies are over it. They don’t want boys in their daughter’s bathrooms or sports teams. They don’t want images of oral sex in their school libraries. They don’t want to be called menstruators. They don’t want to be told they’re responsible for everything wrong in the world when they’re just doing their jobs and taking care of their kids. They’re done. Democrats need to listen instead of dismissing them as racists for not voting the way democrats want them to.

I have actually wondered how much gender issues played a role in votes for Youngkin, in addition to school closures. Trans rights are all well and good until your tween daughter starts asking to go by they/them, changing their name, and dressing like a boy. Yes, I am thinking of the other thread, but how many similar threads have we seen from concerned moms dealing with this with their girls? I historically have been a Dem. I voted for Biden and very reluctantly voted for McAuliffe based on social issues -- but I have to tell you that I am completely over the "pregnant people" language policing. There are real problems with pretending gender doesn't exist, but the left wing calls people bigoted or anti-trans if they question any of this. I think this is a much bigger concern for parents than they will admit.

+1. Though I think its not just gender, it’s all a reaction to this new democrat tactic of just flinging insane insults at people who don’t agree with them. It makes all of it meaningless. Don’t want men in a woman’s locker room? Bigot. Want kids in school? Irrational, covid denier, trumper. Want school to teach calculus? Racist. Question defunding the police? Racist. Cancelled. All the horrible words.

There is zero space for discourse in the Democratic Party and it’s really turning people off.

+1. All of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

I think in FCPS at least, the (Democratic) school board had lots of problems - telling families that schools would open up, only to drop the idea once elections passed. Then going off and doing it all over again. Throwing their tech support staff under the bus over problems of their own creation. Being one of the best-funded school systems in the country, but not being able to implement a credible online education when we first went online. There were plenty of examples of school systems which did a much better job of moving online even with less funding. I think the confluence of a school board which was loudly Democrat but also loudly inept when it counted was something that people noticed.

The last PP summarized the problem with FCPS perfectly. I voted for Youngkin, and a big reason for me was this and also how LCPS tried to hide two sexual assaults.

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I’ve said it elsewhere on here. The normies are over it. They don’t want boys in their daughter’s bathrooms or sports teams. They don’t want images of oral sex in their school libraries. They don’t want to be called menstruators. They don’t want to be told they’re responsible for everything wrong in the world when they’re just doing their jobs and taking care of their kids. They’re done. Democrats need to listen instead of dismissing them as racists for not voting the way democrats want them to.

I have actually wondered how much gender issues played a role in votes for Youngkin, in addition to school closures. Trans rights are all well and good until your tween daughter starts asking to go by they/them, changing their name, and dressing like a boy. Yes, I am thinking of the other thread, but how many similar threads have we seen from concerned moms dealing with this with their girls? I historically have been a Dem. I voted for Biden and very reluctantly voted for McAuliffe based on social issues -- but I have to tell you that I am completely over the "pregnant people" language policing. There are real problems with pretending gender doesn't exist, but the left wing calls people bigoted or anti-trans if they question any of this. I think this is a much bigger concern for parents than they will admit.

+1. Though I think its not just gender, it’s all a reaction to this new democrat tactic of just flinging insane insults at people who don’t agree with them. It makes all of it meaningless. Don’t want men in a woman’s locker room? Bigot. Want kids in school? Irrational, covid denier, trumper. Want school to teach calculus? Racist. Question defunding the police? Racist. Cancelled. All the horrible words.

There is zero space for discourse in the Democratic Party and it’s really turning people off.

+1. All of this.

And you've never voted Democrat in your life.

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Anonymous wrote:The women on that CNN report make me want to puke, frankly. Several previous posters have suggested that everyone thinks as selfishly as those women do, but that's BS. Those women are privileged, as are many of the on here agreeing with them. Yes, the pandemic was hard on kids because schools were closed, but it was way harder on many other families -- with or without kids -- than it was on those women. I guarantee you none of them had a family member die from covid, for one thing.

If you vote Republican, you're voting selfishly almost by definition. Those women care only about themselves and their families. I didn't hear a word out of any of their mouths expressing one iota of concern or empathy for anybody else.

Go to hell.

We are multiracial family (not asian). Immediate family member died of COVID. We vote republican. CNN does not get to define what a Youngkin voter is. Of course they want to paint a negative caricature of THE Suburban (White) Female Youngkin Voter. Thats called propaganda. 👍 And you fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

APS 12/17 board meeting

Selection for return to school model when asked in December 2020:

Overall:
39% virtual
54% hybrid

Economically disadvantaged:
42% virtual
39% hybrid

Also they had thousands of families switch from hybrid to distance at that selection point as well. Don’t have demographic breakdown for that.

I don’t know if board doc link works but here it goes:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=BUERSE6F161B

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

Do your kids attend high need / low income schools?

I'll wait . . .

No but that doesn't make me less of education expert than you. I have worked in education since 1999.

You wanted schools to open for your kids. You're not fooling anybody.

I don't have to fool anyone - it doesn't matter to me - I know I'm right on the educational front. I was lucky enough to be able to send my kindergartener to private last year. I'm sorry for the others who didn't have the money to do it. I wanted everyone to have that opportunity. No covid cases in the class all year.

Typical Youngkin voter.

I am a life long D, and one who voted McA - but I know it was a mistake for schools to be closed, and it's not a wonder that Youngkin won this election.

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I’ve said it elsewhere on here. The normies are over it. They don’t want boys in their daughter’s bathrooms or sports teams. They don’t want images of oral sex in their school libraries. They don’t want to be called menstruators. They don’t want to be told they’re responsible for everything wrong in the world when they’re just doing their jobs and taking care of their kids. They’re done. Democrats need to listen instead of dismissing them as racists for not voting the way democrats want them to.

I have actually wondered how much gender issues played a role in votes for Youngkin, in addition to school closures. Trans rights are all well and good until your tween daughter starts asking to go by they/them, changing their name, and dressing like a boy. Yes, I am thinking of the other thread, but how many similar threads have we seen from concerned moms dealing with this with their girls? I historically have been a Dem. I voted for Biden and very reluctantly voted for McAuliffe based on social issues -- but I have to tell you that I am completely over the "pregnant people" language policing. There are real problems with pretending gender doesn't exist, but the left wing calls people bigoted or anti-trans if they question any of this. I think this is a much bigger concern for parents than they will admit.

+1. Though I think its not just gender, it’s all a reaction to this new democrat tactic of just flinging insane insults at people who don’t agree with them. It makes all of it meaningless. Don’t want men in a woman’s locker room? Bigot. Want kids in school? Irrational, covid denier, trumper. Want school to teach calculus? Racist. Question defunding the police? Racist. Cancelled. All the horrible words.

There is zero space for discourse in the Democratic Party and it’s really turning people off.

+1. All of this.

And you've never voted Democrat in your life.

I voted D all through my 20's and most of my 30's.

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I’ve said it elsewhere on here. The normies are over it. They don’t want boys in their daughter’s bathrooms or sports teams. They don’t want images of oral sex in their school libraries. They don’t want to be called menstruators. They don’t want to be told they’re responsible for everything wrong in the world when they’re just doing their jobs and taking care of their kids. They’re done. Democrats need to listen instead of dismissing them as racists for not voting the way democrats want them to.

I have actually wondered how much gender issues played a role in votes for Youngkin, in addition to school closures. Trans rights are all well and good until your tween daughter starts asking to go by they/them, changing their name, and dressing like a boy. Yes, I am thinking of the other thread, but how many similar threads have we seen from concerned moms dealing with this with their girls? I historically have been a Dem. I voted for Biden and very reluctantly voted for McAuliffe based on social issues -- but I have to tell you that I am completely over the "pregnant people" language policing. There are real problems with pretending gender doesn't exist, but the left wing calls people bigoted or anti-trans if they question any of this. I think this is a much bigger concern for parents than they will admit.

+1. Though I think its not just gender, it’s all a reaction to this new democrat tactic of just flinging insane insults at people who don’t agree with them. It makes all of it meaningless. Don’t want men in a woman’s locker room? Bigot. Want kids in school? Irrational, covid denier, trumper. Want school to teach calculus? Racist. Question defunding the police? Racist. Cancelled. All the horrible words.

There is zero space for discourse in the Democratic Party and it’s really turning people off.

+1. All of this.

That might sound more convincing if the Ds didn’t just split the vote this past week in Congress on the Infrastructure bill and - get this - no one got canceled or death threats from other Ds.

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

APS 12/17 board meeting

Selection for return to school model when asked in December 2020:

Overall:
39% virtual
54% hybrid

Economically disadvantaged:
42% virtual
39% hybrid

Also they had thousands of families switch from hybrid to distance at that selection point as well. Don’t have demographic breakdown for that.

I don’t know if board doc link works but here it goes:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=BUERSE6F161B

So I guess my point is - we should have let those 39% of economically disadvantaged have their hybrid option - we shouldn't have made those families do all virtual.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

Do your kids attend high need / low income schools?

I'll wait . . .

No but that doesn't make me less of education expert than you. I have worked in education since 1999.

You wanted schools to open for your kids. You're not fooling anybody.

I don't have to fool anyone - it doesn't matter to me - I know I'm right on the educational front. I was lucky enough to be able to send my kindergartener to private last year. I'm sorry for the others who didn't have the money to do it. I wanted everyone to have that opportunity. No covid cases in the class all year.

Typical Youngkin voter.

I am a life long D, and one who voted McA - but I know it was a mistake for schools to be closed, and it's not a wonder that Youngkin won this election.

Yup, many people vote emotionally instead of pragmatically.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

APS 12/17 board meeting

Selection for return to school model when asked in December 2020:

Overall:
39% virtual
54% hybrid

Economically disadvantaged:
42% virtual
39% hybrid

Also they had thousands of families switch from hybrid to distance at that selection point as well. Don’t have demographic breakdown for that.

I don’t know if board doc link works but here it goes:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/arlington/Board.nsf/goto?open&id=BUERSE6F161B

So I guess my point is - we should have let those 39% of economically disadvantaged have their hybrid option - we shouldn't have made those families do all virtual.

They did get hybrid (some ended up concurrent). This was the selection in Dec 2020 for return to school in early 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

Do your kids attend high need / low income schools?

I'll wait . . .

No but that doesn't make me less of education expert than you. I have worked in education since 1999.

You wanted schools to open for your kids. You're not fooling anybody.

I don't have to fool anyone - it doesn't matter to me - I know I'm right on the educational front. I was lucky enough to be able to send my kindergartener to private last year. I'm sorry for the others who didn't have the money to do it. I wanted everyone to have that opportunity. No covid cases in the class all year.

Typical Youngkin voter.

I am a life long D, and one who voted McA - but I know it was a mistake for schools to be closed, and it's not a wonder that Youngkin won this election.

Yup, many people vote emotionally instead of pragmatically.

And that is POLITICS - figuring out the emotions. That's the whole thing of it.

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I am a life long D, and one who voted McA - but I know it was a mistake for schools to be closed, and it's not a wonder that Youngkin won this election.


Yup, many people vote emotionally instead of pragmatically.

You don't think it is pragmatic to vote for someone who will follow better policy?

You could say it is emotion that kept the schools closed. It certainly wasn't the science.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It was school but it wasn't vaccine mandates in school or CRT.

It was school closures and learning loss. They said McAuliffe had no plans to address the school failures and their kids academic challenges.

His whole “parents shouldn’t have a say in schools” after a year and a half of having to literally manage their kids education at home was incredibly dismissive and tone-deaf. And when called on it, he just doubled down. He needed open ears and a closed mouth, not the other way around.

He was 100% correct, though. This “I know more than the experts” mentality people have is destroying our country. Thank social media for that.

Besides, parents have a lot of say in schools. This is what PTAs are for. And school boards.

What they really mean is, “even though I was wrong, they didn’t do what I want, so I am gonna Karen.”

DP. This last statement could accurately describe Democrats right now. "Even though we were wrong - and sane people don't want any part of our far-left agenda - they didn't vote for our candidate, so we're gonna Karen." This is being played out over and over, on DCUM and beyond. Grow up.