CNN Special - Moms who voted for Biden explain why they voted for a Republican(Youngkin) in Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

Many. That's actually how I know. Our family is friends with families we met through sports who are both low-income and POC.

Name the school. Name a typical occupation of the parents of these families, then name your occupation. Hell, name the sport. You're making things up.

DP. I am UMC with a kid who played on a predominantly Latino soccer team before and during covid. He was often the only white kid on the field. It was coached in English and Spanish. He is still very close with the kids, whose parents work in food service, healthcare, construction, cleaning, etc. They didn't have a common view on school closings (some supported, some opposed).

I realize you never emerge from your bubble and you actively keep your kids from ever interacting with the kids of poorer immigrants. That isn't true of all of us.

Did you poll them in your excellent Spanish? Please.

(Btw, I'm bilingual and my kids attend a Title 1 school.)

Yes. I speak Spanish well and we've had plenty of conversations about schools. Also, my kid is good friends with the entire team and they talk about everything. They are teens with their own opinions.

Like I said, you obviously segregate your kids, but we all don't.

That's great about your teen. When and where have YOU had "plenty of conversations" with these Spanish-speaking parents about schools? And which one of us has kids in a Title 1 school again?

Back it up, sister.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

Do your kids attend high need / low income schools?

I'll wait . . .

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

Here is one of many studies on this subject. It's crystal clear that more lower income parents preferred sticking with virtual learning. It's not a subject of serious debate among policymakers.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2021/06/08/why-some-parents-are-sticking-with-remote-learning-even-as-schools-reopen/

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

Do your kids attend high need / low income schools?

I'll wait . . .

No but that doesn't make me less of education expert than you. I have worked in education since 1999.

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

Here is one of many studies on this subject. It's crystal clear that more lower income parents preferred sticking with virtual learning. It's not a subject of serious debate among policymakers.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2021/06/08/why-some-parents-are-sticking-with-remote-learning-even-as-schools-reopen/

The stats are different for fairfax county - at least for race that i know of off hand. I'm not sure I've seen it for income in fairfax county though.

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

Here is one of many studies on this subject. It's crystal clear that more lower income parents preferred sticking with virtual learning. It's not a subject of serious debate among policymakers.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2021/06/08/why-some-parents-are-sticking-with-remote-learning-even-as-schools-reopen/

The stats are different for fairfax county - at least for race that i know of off hand. I'm not sure I've seen it for income in fairfax county though.

But at any rate - let's just say we are using these stats:

with 19% of white parents currently preferring fully remote instruction compared to 43% of Black and 42% of Hispanic families.

I think we should give the in person option to the black and hispanic families that wanted it instead of saying virtual for all.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

Do your kids attend high need / low income schools?

I'll wait . . .

No but that doesn't make me less of education expert than you. I have worked in education since 1999.

You wanted schools to open for your kids. You're not fooling anybody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

Here is one of many studies on this subject. It's crystal clear that more lower income parents preferred sticking with virtual learning. It's not a subject of serious debate among policymakers.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2021/06/08/why-some-parents-are-sticking-with-remote-learning-even-as-schools-reopen/

Can you direct quote the part in that link about income? I admit I'm scanning it quickly but I only see race and not income.

[Anonymous]

Sigh. If this nonsense gets us a Republican president in 2024 . . . I can't even think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

Here is one of many studies on this subject. It's crystal clear that more lower income parents preferred sticking with virtual learning. It's not a subject of serious debate among policymakers.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2021/06/08/why-some-parents-are-sticking-with-remote-learning-even-as-schools-reopen/

The stats are different for fairfax county - at least for race that i know of off hand. I'm not sure I've seen it for income in fairfax county though.

But at any rate - let's just say we are using these stats:

with 19% of white parents currently preferring fully remote instruction compared to 43% of Black and 42% of Hispanic families.

I think we should give the in person option to the black and hispanic families that wanted it instead of saying virtual for all.

You're clueless. Nobody wants virtual for all NOW.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

Do your kids attend high need / low income schools?

I'll wait . . .

No but that doesn't make me less of education expert than you. I have worked in education since 1999.

You wanted schools to open for your kids. You're not fooling anybody.

I don't have to fool anyone - it doesn't matter to me - I know I'm right on the educational front. I was lucky enough to be able to send my kindergartener to private last year. I'm sorry for the others who didn't have the money to do it. I wanted everyone to have that opportunity. No covid cases in the class all year.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone please summarize? If not school then what

It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

+1

I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

Many. That's actually how I know. Our family is friends with families we met through sports who are both low-income and POC.

Name the school. Name a typical occupation of the parents of these families, then name your occupation. Hell, name the sport. You're making things up.

DP. I am UMC with a kid who played on a predominantly Latino soccer team before and during covid. He was often the only white kid on the field. It was coached in English and Spanish. He is still very close with the kids, whose parents work in food service, healthcare, construction, cleaning, etc. They didn't have a common view on school closings (some supported, some opposed).

I realize you never emerge from your bubble and you actively keep your kids from ever interacting with the kids of poorer immigrants. That isn't true of all of us.

Did you poll them in your excellent Spanish? Please.

(Btw, I'm bilingual and my kids attend a Title 1 school.)

Yes. I speak Spanish well and we've had plenty of conversations about schools. Also, my kid is good friends with the entire team and they talk about everything. They are teens with their own opinions.

Like I said, you obviously segregate your kids, but we all don't.

That's great about your teen. When and where have YOU had "plenty of conversations" with these Spanish-speaking parents about schools? And which one of us has kids in a Title 1 school again?

Back it up, sister.

Huh, so you can't read. I said I had conversations in Spanish with the families, who are long-time friends. Also, my kid was in a predominantly Latino school with 40% FARMs. No longer, because I've lost trust in public school.

You know, your sense of superiority over poorer immigrants just rolls off your posts. You send your kids to a title 1 school, but obviously hate their classmates and don't let your kids befriend them.

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Anonymous wrote:When this whole thing began, I recall thinking that the blue states will be the last to shut down schools because they realize the role the schools play in helping the most vulnerable among us. And yet they did close and were the last to reopen.

I still can’t believe that.

Don’t forget that plenty of k-6 kids who are unvaccinated have been quarantined (some of this was unnecessary) this year. So still missing school.

Huh? More lower SES families selected virtual than the affluent families.

If you have the stats on this via link I would like to see.

Here is one of many studies on this subject. It's crystal clear that more lower income parents preferred sticking with virtual learning. It's not a subject of serious debate among policymakers.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2021/06/08/why-some-parents-are-sticking-with-remote-learning-even-as-schools-reopen/

The stats are different for fairfax county - at least for race that i know of off hand. I'm not sure I've seen it for income in fairfax county though.

But at any rate - let's just say we are using these stats:

with 19% of white parents currently preferring fully remote instruction compared to 43% of Black and 42% of Hispanic families.

I think we should give the in person option to the black and hispanic families that wanted it instead of saying virtual for all.

You're clueless. Nobody wants virtual for all NOW.

I'm referring to back when it was all virtual.

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It is school, just not the CRT stuff or vaccine or mask mandates. They’re angry that schools stayed closed for as long as they did and that the Democrats seemed dismissive of parents’ concerns about the resulting disruption and learning loss. I certainly understand their concerns but they do come off a bit self centered… like all that matters is them and their family, not the healthcare workers or teachers or the medically vulnerable. I think Democrats’ biggest mistake wasn’t necessarily closing schools, but for not showing more concern about the fallout now. Terry couldn’t even manage to fake it. He just didn’t connect with suburban women as much as he needed to.

Early last school year, there came a point where:

- over 90% of FFX teachers were vaccinated, but:

- the teachers union still demanded that schools could not fully reopen.

Fact is: the schools listened to the unions over the parents.

Any parents who were still on the fence were pushed into the Youngkin camp with:

“I don’t believe parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

I believe you Terry. I believe your statement expresses exactly how you and most democrats feel.

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I actually think that what is being called anti-CRT backlash and anger about school closings are related in the minds of angry Dem. voters. Everything in public schools is being viewed through an "equity lens." It's important to provide additional resources and support to close the achievement gap between the races and between students of different socioeconomic levels. It's all about equity. I'm a Dem. voter, and I believe that. Why should some students be more like to have worse educational outcomes than others?

So then COVID happens, and I say to myself, "Hmm. Keeping kids out of school buildings for an extended period is pretty hard on my family, as we work from home, but it seems like it would be worst for families in which adult caregivers don't work from home and aren't around to supervise learning. I think that reopening schools with mitigation measures in place is pro-equity and especially necessary for low-income and special needs students." When I stand up and say this, the response is, "Shut up. Your privilege disqualifies you from speaking on this issue. We know best and distance learning is absolutely fine. And by the way, you are obviously a racist who wants black and brown children to die. We will worry about equity when we are good and ready." I can't have any idea that questions the progressive line, which is that schools needed to be closed as long as possible, because I'm clueless, privileged, and a racist. OK then. That's why some, non-racist, equity-concerned people are alienated.

At the Arlington SB meeting, the rich, white parents yelled at the Hispanic woman who was trying to explain why many in the low-income communities wanted to stick with virtual learning. Maybe just let them speak for themselves.

Great. And there are also people in low-income communities of all races who did not want to continue with distance learning, as well as students who became completely disconnected. But as long as you are sure your way is the right way. Equity is whatever the far-left says it is and no one is allowed to think otherwise.

DP here, and I'm curious. How many of these "low-income" people of "all races" do you interact with? How many go to you kids' schools? How many are your kids' friends? Your friends? Can I guess?

DP here - and right back at ya - I doubt you know them or you would know how bad it was and that we should have taken the ones into school whose families wanted to send them. I'm a former teacher and my husband is a current teacher - both in high needs / low income schools. So when I wanted schools to open - I was putting my money where my mouth is - too.

Do your kids attend high need / low income schools?

I'll wait . . .

No but that doesn't make me less of education expert than you. I have worked in education since 1999.

You wanted schools to open for your kids. You're not fooling anybody.

I don't have to fool anyone - it doesn't matter to me - I know I'm right on the educational front. I was lucky enough to be able to send my kindergartener to private last year. I'm sorry for the others who didn't have the money to do it. I wanted everyone to have that opportunity. No covid cases in the class all year.

Typical Youngkin voter.