Fairfax County Double Murder

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It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

There are tons of websites, apps, and computer programs to disguise your voice! I’ve used free ones to make prank phone calls. I’m sure if you pay for one you could sound like anybody in the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

Facts:

BB was having an affair with AP
BB and AP went to the gun range a few weeks before the murders
BB bought AP a gun a few weeks before the murders
BB bought himself and AP new phones a few days before the murders
BB could have just shot JR a second time if he was truly a threat (a knife vs a gun tho - come on!) but instead had AP run to the safe and grab a new gun.
BB/AP called 911 and hung up the first time

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

Even if it was CB, the idea of the scene with JR may have originated with BB, usually it is the DH pushing the c*ck kink. JR may have raised knife idea from something BB had said. JR's friend said he had met with a couple. What transpired there may not ever be known. BB has a murder plot in mind and was orchestrating the elements. A knife brought by JR with his fingerprints on it was key. JR was not into knife play and said he had never done it. So, more likely BB implied that was desired than that it suddenly spontaneously happened.

Joe literally told people where he was going that week. He was very openly engaged on that website. I do not think he was going there to purposely kill someone. Something went terribly wrong. Whether it was CB or BB that initiated the meet up, I do not believe JR went there with the intent to kill.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t make sense that CB would be into knife play, meet up with a random guy etc when she was previously a sexual assault nurse, doesn’t add up

Completely agree. Plus, any cutting would show up to others as she was a nurse.

I think this was all engineered by BB and not a routine thing (for CB OR JR) but cutting is super easy to hide.

For those confused about the Commonwealth of VA's theory of the case, this headline sums it up

Au pair 'killed BDSM fetishist in elaborate plot to get rid of boss' wife after affair'

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/au-pair-killed-bdsm-fetishist-32505192

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

AP if CB had no clue about the arrangement (what I believe is the case)

Or

CB if BB had talked her into doing the fetish thing

Even if it was CB, that doesn't mean JR has any motive whatsoever to violently knife CB in the neck. He had even told his friends he was going to meet a "couple". BB was definitely in on this one any way you slice it.

The thing about what JR supposedly told the friend - was this reported anywhere other than DCUM? We're acting like it's a fact and I'm not sure it is.

It was originally on Reddit – He posted about that on like day two or three way before law-enforcement even introduced this to the public as part of the case. I thought it was kind of weird for him to post that and honestly didn’t believe it so when it came out in the media, I was like holy crap. This guy was right.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

Even if it was CB, the idea of the scene with JR may have originated with BB, usually it is the DH pushing the c*ck kink. JR may have raised knife idea from something BB had said. JR's friend said he had met with a couple. What transpired there may not ever be known. BB has a murder plot in mind and was orchestrating the elements. A knife brought by JR with his fingerprints on it was key. JR was not into knife play and said he had never done it. So, more likely BB implied that was desired than that it suddenly spontaneously happened.

Joe literally told people where he was going that week. He was very openly engaged on that website. I do not think he was going there to purposely kill someone. Something went terribly wrong. Whether it was CB or BB that initiated the meet up, I do not believe JR went there with the intent to kill.

Agree. Unfortunately telling people (friends and family) those details failed to keep him safe from their machinations.

False sense of security with tragic end for him, CB and the little girl.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

AP if CB had no clue about the arrangement (what I believe is the case)

Or

CB if BB had talked her into doing the fetish thing

Even if it was CB, that doesn't mean JR has any motive whatsoever to violently knife CB in the neck. He had even told his friends he was going to meet a "couple". BB was definitely in on this one any way you slice it.

The thing about what JR supposedly told the friend - was this reported anywhere other than DCUM? We're acting like it's a fact and I'm not sure it is.

It was originally on Reddit – He posted about that on like day two or three way before law-enforcement even introduced this to the public as part of the case. I thought it was kind of weird for him to post that and honestly didn’t believe it so when it came out in the media, I was like holy crap. This guy was right.

Hopefully that friend stays quiet until the trial. He will be a good witness for the prosecution.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

AP if CB had no clue about the arrangement (what I believe is the case)

Or

CB if BB had talked her into doing the fetish thing

Even if it was CB, that doesn't mean JR has any motive whatsoever to violently knife CB in the neck. He had even told his friends he was going to meet a "couple". BB was definitely in on this one any way you slice it.

The thing about what JR supposedly told the friend - was this reported anywhere other than DCUM? We're acting like it's a fact and I'm not sure it is.

It was originally on Reddit – He posted about that on like day two or three way before law-enforcement even introduced this to the public as part of the case. I thought it was kind of weird for him to post that and honestly didn’t believe it so when it came out in the media, I was like holy crap. This guy was right.

He posted it elsewhere too and immediately contacted LE. He was trying to get a true crime podcast interested when it appeared that there was no action on the case. Joe does seem to have inspired love and devotion in his family and friends. Had they not acted so quickly perhaps BB's scheme communicated by AP to detectives may have seemed more plausible. Instead, from day 1 LE were very focused on BB and AP. I suspect they also read the vibe on scene and from his refusing to cooperate to help LE re: his wife's death.

Hoping for justice for Joe & Christine. Hoping against hope that the little girl will be capable of healthy attachments to others.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

Maybe AP or CB. I don't think we'll ever know. If it's a fact that JR introduced the idea of a bringing a knife - that doesn't look great.

The kink community is super into consent. Websites like fetL1fe are often used not only to find other people interested in the kinks they are trying to explore but to create boundaries and establish consent.
JR’s friends have said that this was not his first time utilizing the website to connect with people. He most definitely went over every detail of what CB consented to.
JR was connecting with a profile online that was expressing a desire to have fake sexual assault and rape… I don’t think it’s that far off for him to then ask what else she’s into, including but not limited to “knife play”.
I think the sickest thing is that JR and whoever he was communicating with most, definitely established a ”safe word” and CB didn’t know it.
$20 says when more transcripts of the conversation come out whoever was posing as CB probably told JR she was going to put on the best show he had ever seen and that it would seem completely real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

I hope you never serve on a jury. You cannot follow the evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

Facts:

BB was having an affair with AP
BB and AP went to the gun range a few weeks before the murders
BB bought AP a gun a few weeks before the murders
BB bought himself and AP new phones a few days before the murders
BB could have just shot JR a second time if he was truly a threat (a knife vs a gun tho - come on!) but instead had AP run to the safe and grab a new gun.
BB/AP called 911 and hung up the first time

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck.

Also, they brought a preschooler into a home where they believed there was an active home invasion and danger. They did not call 911 from outside the house.

Curious if BB had called out from work that day.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

Maybe AP or CB. I don't think we'll ever know. If it's a fact that JR introduced the idea of a bringing a knife - that doesn't look great.

The kink community is super into consent. Websites like fetL1fe are often used not only to find other people interested in the kinks they are trying to explore but to create boundaries and establish consent.
JR’s friends have said that this was not his first time utilizing the website to connect with people. He most definitely went over every detail of what CB consented to.
JR was connecting with a profile online that was expressing a desire to have fake sexual assault and rape… I don’t think it’s that far off for him to then ask what else she’s into, including but not limited to “knife play”.
I think the sickest thing is that JR and whoever he was communicating with most, definitely established a ”safe word” and CB didn’t know it.
$20 says when more transcripts of the conversation come out whoever was posing as CB probably told JR she was going to put on the best show he had ever seen and that it would seem completely real.

His friend said he met with a couple, usually c*ck scenes incorporate and are driven by the kink and desires of the husband. I still believe that it was BB who someone conveyed that knife play with a knife brought by JR would be desirable. Too coincidental for JR to just happen to bring it up when he had never done it and it would provide the patsy weapon and fingerprints on it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s incredible that all of the actual evidence provided thus far points to CB having a BDSM sexual relationship with JR, yet all of you play mental gymnastics to twist this around on her husband.

JR was the only murderer in this case.

Facts:

BB was having an affair with AP
BB and AP went to the gun range a few weeks before the murders
BB bought AP a gun a few weeks before the murders
BB bought himself and AP new phones a few days before the murders
BB could have just shot JR a second time if he was truly a threat (a knife vs a gun tho - come on!) but instead had AP run to the safe and grab a new gun.
BB/AP called 911 and hung up the first time

If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, its a duck.

Also, they brought a preschooler into a home where they believed there was an active home invasion and danger. They did not call 911 from outside the house.

Curious if BB had called out from work that day.

Wasn't clear, where AP's lawyer CLAIMS they believed there was an active home invasion.

It is insane that AP would take a child into the house under those circumstances and fail to call 911 from outside or from the safety of a neighbor's home. Makes no sense at all, like the 2nd gun that would have AP's fingerprints and be used to silence her and throw her under the bus if need be.

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somehow conveyed

BB is making them work for it. Hope they can nail him re: both deaths and AP too.