Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:1. If BB was truly innocent I can understand not speaking with the cops and taking the 5th. If the most he was guilty of was sleeping with AP and trying to impress her by taking her to a gun range and buying her a gun (terrible coincidence of course), then he’d be well within good lawyerly advice to keep his mouth shut because the facts look bad for him. For similar reasons the fact that he isn’t convening press conferences to declare his innocence I find of no matter. Plenty of guilty husbands went over the top doing such things.

2. The version of events supplied thus far by the prosecution do enable a reading where BB was innocent. We can draw inferences both ways and don’t have enough facts.

3. The fact that the state is pursuing the case against the AP however continues to suggest to me they have additional evidence supporting theory this is some sort of plot/conspiracy orchestrated by BB. But on merely the facts we’ve seen (and without drawing inferences from such facts and/or what behavior we think a guilty person may engage in), it doesn’t surprise me if some people aren’t convinced.

For the record I think BB probably did it. But if I was on a jury right now with only the evidence discussed so far, I’m not sure I could vote to convict. (If I were on a grand jury however I think there is enough to indict.)

Just have to sit tight and wait for more info.

BB has not been arrested nor charged.

AP is charged with 2nd degree which requires no premeditation. She admits she shot JR after BB. He was still alive and moving by her own account. Thus hers was the kill shot. FF Now does a good job explaining the charges against her. The info about a plot is not needed to convict her. It's coming out to pressure her to flip by indicating that they know and have evidence that her lawyer's tale is false.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:AP had a bond hearing on Tuesday.
Here is what happened.

Defense and Prosecutor entered several pieces of evidence. Including:
- A copy of the chats between CB and JR was entered under seal
- Multiple pictures of the scene were entered, many under seal.

Defense's Argument

- Prosecutor previously "misstated" that AP had bought plane tickets using her passport.
- She actually had used to apply for a work visa and student visa. AP was legally in the country at the time of her arrest with no intention of leaving.
- Prosecutor has not provided any actual evidence of a conspiracy. Just public statements.
- AP was actively dating multiple people, did not deny relationship with BB during police interview, but mentioned she was dating several people.
- Prosecutor overstated extent of JR's incapacitation from first shot. The Medical Examiner stated that there was possibility that JR could see and move.


Prosecutor's Argument

- Prosecutor surprised Defense with a document showing that ICE has asked to be notified if she is release from custody, and they have a warrant for her. He is afraid that if she is released and ends up in federal custody, they will deport her.
- Prosecutor stated that there is no extradition treaty with Brazil, and that the Feds do not have to acknowledge the case's priority. Feds could just deport AP and then the state of VA has no control.
- Prosecutor also argued that she is manipulative and can be manipulated, and therefore still a danger.
- Displayed a picture of JR's body. JR was clutching his stomach on his back
- Mainly re-iterated things said previously at preliminary hearing.
- Mentioned that BB took the 5th on every question during prelim.


Other facts that came out (from chat transcripts and other things referred to by both sides)

- CB and JR communicated using Fetlife and Telegram.
- JR brought up the idea of bringing a knife, CB asked about the details.
- They discussed blood play (cutting)
- CB asked JR, "Do you still want to tear off my clothes? I have a set of old pajamas you can tear"
- A set of ripped pajamas was recovered from the scene
- Pics of a knife, ropes, chains, rubber restraints were sent by JR to CB
- CB took selfie in a bathing suit and sent to husband. A few hours later sent the same selfie to JR with caption: "I sent this to my husband and he didn't even notice I lost 20 pounds"
- Judge questioned about the 45 min phone call over telegram that occurred between CB and JR
- After the phone call, JR texted: "It was great hearing your sexy voice"
- JR wrote that he had only done blood play once before, with razor blades
- CB had several superficial cuts that barely broke the skin
- JR was in the process of cutting CB with BB walked in
- CB wrote "trip to the zoo" on calendar
- CB had multiple lacerations to her neck and carotid artery. Three lacerations to the right side of her neck were the most likely the cause of death
- In the second 911 call, (mentioned but not played) BB is trying to save CB's life by applying pressure

Judge's Decision
Denied bond for two reasons.
- First, that FCPD could lose jurisdiction/control if the Feds take custody and/or deport
- Second, that AP could still pose a risk to community.

I'm curious why all of this "new" evidence about Juliana's defense would be discussed at a bond hearing (when not brought up at the previous bond hearing). What does any of these supposed texts and details about CB have to do with her ability to not flee the country? Also weird that the bond hearing was Tuesday morning but no one has reported on it- because some of these new details are a little shocking to say the least.

PP- were you there in person?

Defense told judge (who asked similar question) that prosecutors did not turn over this evidence before the last bond hearing. So this is the first time they could have presented it.

[Anonymous]

IS media allowed at the Grand Jury?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish someone from CB’s would speak. It’s not possible they’re not seeing the kid. Or not doing anything about it.
Maybe they don’t believe BB’s guilty?

He is alienating her from them. Do you understand that?? He won’t even let her see the former au pair, who is very close to the daughter and CB. They were both in her wedding, communicating at least weekly even after she moved to FL. she flew to VA to be with the child/BB as soon as she heard about Christine.

1- Are you 100% of that?
2- If someone keeps me from seeing my granddaughter, after killing my daughter, I’ll go to hell, but I’ll do something about it. Involve lawyers and whatever it’s needed.

Supreme CT. has ruled that grandparents do not have a right to access to grandchildren.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t make sense that CB would be into knife play, meet up with a random guy etc when she was previously a sexual assault nurse, doesn’t add up

Completely agree. Plus, any cutting would show up to others as she was a nurse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guys… we need to understand that there are a lot of things that we don’t know anything about going on in people’s minds.

Yes, the AP and BB are scumbags for moving into the bedroom and all that. But we have to stop making excuses and accept the fact that CB may have actually been communicating with JR.

That does not justify her being killed. But those things happen. People have all kinds of kinks that they don’t usually tell others, even their spouses. They have been together for a long time and also, the marriage could very well be falling apart.

It's inconsistent with her past behavior/personality. When all arrows point to BB and AP, it makes sense to look in their direction.

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Hmmm.

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Page 88 has some details about the grandparents. Won't let me post it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IS media allowed at the Grand Jury?

No. Grand juries are held away from media, spectators, and defense. They are very secretive overall.

It's the grand jury members, ADA, and a few witnesses there used to corroborate the ADA's assertation that they have enough evidence and probable cause to continue with charges and proceed to a trial.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

Maybe AP or CB. I don't think we'll ever know. If it's a fact that JR introduced the idea of a bringing a knife - that doesn't look great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:IS media allowed at the Grand Jury?

No, it is a closed proceeding.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

This is a key question. This case is messy. I need the silver haired fox Keith Morrison to parse the details.

Even if it was CB, the idea of the scene with JR may have originated with BB, usually it is the DH pushing the c*ck kink. JR may have raised knife idea from something BB had said. JR's friend said he had met with a couple. What transpired there may not ever be known. BB has a murder plot in mind and was orchestrating the elements. A knife brought by JR with his fingerprints on it was key. JR was not into knife play and said he had never done it. So, more likely BB implied that was desired than that it suddenly spontaneously happened.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

AP if CB had no clue about the arrangement (what I believe is the case)

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CB if BB had talked her into doing the fetish thing

Even if it was CB, that doesn't mean JR has any motive whatsoever to violently knife CB in the neck. He had even told his friends he was going to meet a "couple". BB was definitely in on this one any way you slice it.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay in summoning help and cutting the child off from maternal family are also pretty damning imo.

How are we certain that he cut the kid off from grandparents again? Not saying it’s not true, just don’t remember how this came up.

I don’t know them personally but I can tell you this…. The mother and sister of CB and the former au Pair who was very close with CB used to be on social media connected to BBs mother. Remember, the families are from the same area. Then, at one point they all “unfriended” BBs mother. Something happened.

Anyone have a sense of the timing of that?

In deleted posts on another site someone said that there was coldness between CB's family and BB at funeral. Her dad is LE and her mom, too, no?

I can't imagine what this is like for them and Joe's family and friends as AP's lawyer smears both in death and BB smirks at it all with duper's delight.

BB and CB met as teens and their families had known one another for decades.

The CB text is poignant to me, BB seems very cold as a baseline and was having an affair in the marital home. She may have lost weight as part of this birthday gift scene and I bet she was lonely. BB's was off at the gym with chubby AP with the rack. The poor child was living in a crazy environment even before losing her mom and 1/2 her extended family. I hope karma comes for BB. None of this would have happened without his machinations. Not death, not Fe&life, none of it.

We don’t know that CB even sent that message. Yes, she sent a pic to her husband but we don’t know who was communicating with JR. Given law enforcement statements early on that they believed someone else set up the account I’m hoping that the chats through the site clearly show that the person posing as CB was not a native English speaker

Then who was talking (using their voice) to JR?

AP if CB had no clue about the arrangement (what I believe is the case)

Or

CB if BB had talked her into doing the fetish thing

Even if it was CB, that doesn't mean JR has any motive whatsoever to violently knife CB in the neck. He had even told his friends he was going to meet a "couple". BB was definitely in on this one any way you slice it.

The thing about what JR supposedly told the friend - was this reported anywhere other than DCUM? We're acting like it's a fact and I'm not sure it is.