What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

Not a walk a hike. August is crazy brutal heat for most of the country and they have difficulty regulating heat. They also can communicate as well if they feel poorly.

I live in Northern California and we have days in August when it's mid 80s and no humidity.

That’s wonderful and still dangerous to take a baby out for extended period of time when temp is above 80. Let alone 80s, hiking in a carrier, likely often in direct sun.

Walk around the neighborhood? Playground? Shady picnic? Awesome 2+ hours away under constant motion, likely strapped to a hot sweaty adult with long periods for full sun. Even a bad idea at 80. Definitely 80s.

https://www.parents.com/baby/care/newborn/making-baby-comfortable-in-summer-heat/

Their baby had just turned one, barely last infant stage.

We will just have to disagree about this.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

Not a walk a hike. August is crazy brutal heat for most of the country and they have difficulty regulating heat. They also can communicate as well if they feel poorly.

I live in Northern California and we have days in August when it's mid 80s and no humidity.

That’s wonderful and still dangerous to take a baby out for extended period of time when temp is above 80. Let alone 80s, hiking in a carrier, likely often in direct sun.

Walk around the neighborhood? Playground? Shady picnic? Awesome 2+ hours away under constant motion, likely strapped to a hot sweaty adult with long periods for full sun. Even a bad idea at 80. Definitely 80s.

https://www.parents.com/baby/care/newborn/making-baby-comfortable-in-summer-heat/

Their baby had just turned one, barely last infant stage.

We will just have to disagree about this.

DP and I know the PP sounds a bit extreme but babies do overheat much quicker/easier than adults and it’s much more likely for a baby to be affected by heat exhaustion/heat stroke than for an adult.

When our oldest (now 6) was a baby we went to Florida in February and it was in the lower 80s most of the time we were there. We found the weather very pleasant and not at all too hot but our son in the stroller or baby carrier (too young to be mobile on his own yet) was miserable outside for longer than 1/2 hour or so even though we went to great lengths to dress him appropriately and keep him shaded. We weren’t prepared for that and wound up spending a lot of our trip indoors which we hadn’t thought we would.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

Not a walk a hike. August is crazy brutal heat for most of the country and they have difficulty regulating heat. They also can communicate as well if they feel poorly.

I live in Northern California and we have days in August when it's mid 80s and no humidity.

That’s wonderful and still dangerous to take a baby out for extended period of time when temp is above 80. Let alone 80s, hiking in a carrier, likely often in direct sun.

Walk around the neighborhood? Playground? Shady picnic? Awesome 2+ hours away under constant motion, likely strapped to a hot sweaty adult with long periods for full sun. Even a bad idea at 80. Definitely 80s.

https://www.parents.com/baby/care/newborn/making-baby-comfortable-in-summer-heat/

Their baby had just turned one, barely last infant stage.

We will just have to disagree about this.

DP and I know the PP sounds a bit extreme but babies do overheat much quicker/easier than adults and it’s much more likely for a baby to be affected by heat exhaustion/heat stroke than for an adult.

When our oldest (now 6) was a baby we went to Florida in February and it was in the lower 80s most of the time we were there. We found the weather very pleasant and not at all too hot but our son in the stroller or baby carrier (too young to be mobile on his own yet) was miserable outside for longer than 1/2 hour or so even though we went to great lengths to dress him appropriately and keep him shaded. We weren’t prepared for that and wound up spending a lot of our trip indoors which we hadn’t thought we would.

Maybe some of this is about acclimation? I’m from Florida and yes, people are generally conscientious about babies and heat, but they certainly have babies outside for more than 30 minutes at a time - especially in February!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

Not a walk a hike. August is crazy brutal heat for most of the country and they have difficulty regulating heat. They also can communicate as well if they feel poorly.

I live in Northern California and we have days in August when it's mid 80s and no humidity.

That’s wonderful and still dangerous to take a baby out for extended period of time when temp is above 80. Let alone 80s, hiking in a carrier, likely often in direct sun.

Walk around the neighborhood? Playground? Shady picnic? Awesome 2+ hours away under constant motion, likely strapped to a hot sweaty adult with long periods for full sun. Even a bad idea at 80. Definitely 80s.

https://www.parents.com/baby/care/newborn/making-baby-comfortable-in-summer-heat/

Their baby had just turned one, barely last infant stage.

We will just have to disagree about this.

DP and I know the PP sounds a bit extreme but babies do overheat much quicker/easier than adults and it’s much more likely for a baby to be affected by heat exhaustion/heat stroke than for an adult.

When our oldest (now 6) was a baby we went to Florida in February and it was in the lower 80s most of the time we were there. We found the weather very pleasant and not at all too hot but our son in the stroller or baby carrier (too young to be mobile on his own yet) was miserable outside for longer than 1/2 hour or so even though we went to great lengths to dress him appropriately and keep him shaded. We weren’t prepared for that and wound up spending a lot of our trip indoors which we hadn’t thought we would.

Maybe some of this is about acclimation? I’m from Florida and yes, people are generally conscientious about babies and heat, but they certainly have babies outside for more than 30 minutes at a time - especially in February!

Sure. But hours and hours under direct sun like in a hike? EVERYTHING in Florida is air conditioned to an extreme degree (you need sweaters in store) and there is no hiking culture to speak of. Sitting by the beach, sure. But most babies will be under shade with a cooler of water and maybe even dips in the ocean.

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I wonder how all the babies in Africa and other hot areas of the world survive. They accompany their mothers tied on their backs for hours every day while the mother works on field, fetches water or herds goats.
Signed somebody taking their toddlers on hikes even in July and August and they SURVIVED

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Babies in certain parts of Africa (remember this is an entire continent with widely varying climate) demonstrate adaptive response to high heat but this has side affects, low weight, slow growth etc

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This is the most mysterious case the sheriff has ever seen. The park director has closed the forest and parr of the river because it's so dangerous.

And DCUM is still blaming the parents for taking their toddler outside for more than an hour.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the most mysterious case the sheriff has ever seen. The park director has closed the forest and parr of the river because it's so dangerous.

And DCUM is still blaming the parents for taking their toddler outside for more than an hour.

Literally LMAO- they quite truly have no idea what could have happened to this family and the final answer will almost certainly be some incredibly unlikely circumstance that would be almost impossible to replicate let alone have predicted and prepared for. And DCUM will bleat about how only mentally ill people take kids on hikes.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the most mysterious case the sheriff has ever seen. The park director has closed the forest and parr of the river because it's so dangerous.

And DCUM is still blaming the parents for taking their toddler outside for more than an hour.

All National Forests in the area are closed because of fire risk. I don't think the parents should be shamed on here, but it will likely turn out to be something not very mysterious and probably at least partially related to the heat.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the most mysterious case the sheriff has ever seen. The park director has closed the forest and parr of the river because it's so dangerous.

And DCUM is still blaming the parents for taking their toddler outside for more than an hour.

All National Forests in the area are closed because of fire risk. I don't think the parents should be shamed on here, but it will likely turn out to be something not very mysterious and probably at least partially related to the heat.

Right. This forest was closed because of the hazards that killed this family. Then two days later, every national forest in CA was closed due to wildfires.

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Did anyone mention lightning strikes? New update: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-family-deaths-sierra-yosemite-mariposa-16436964.php

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Anonymous wrote:This is the most mysterious case the sheriff has ever seen. The park director has closed the forest and parr of the river because it's so dangerous.

And DCUM is still blaming the parents for taking their toddler outside for more than an hour.

Literally LMAO- they quite truly have no idea what could have happened to this family and the final answer will almost certainly be some incredibly unlikely circumstance that would be almost impossible to replicate let alone have predicted and prepared for. And DCUM will bleat about how only mentally ill people take kids on hikes.

The nutty posters are projecting.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how all the babies in Africa and other hot areas of the world survive. They accompany their mothers tied on their backs for hours every day while the mother works on field, fetches water or herds goats.
Signed somebody taking their toddlers on hikes even in July and August and they SURVIVED

You would be surprised at how quickly all the little British babies adapt to being in Dubai. It's going to be 105 today.

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It's all very straightforward - they stopped to refill their water bottles in the river. The river had toxic algae. They got very sick. Couldn't keep walking. The father said, I can't go any further and sat down. The mom tried to go for help but didn't make it far.

What are the effects of harmful algal blooms?
Harmful algal blooms can:
Produce extremely dangerous toxins that can sicken or kill people and animals


https://www.epa.gov/nutrientpollution/harmful-algal-blooms

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Anonymous wrote:It's all very straightforward - they stopped to refill their water bottles in the river. The river had toxic algae. They got very sick. Couldn't keep walking. The father said, I can't go any further and sat down. The mom tried to go for help but didn't make it far.

What are the effects of harmful algal blooms?
Harmful algal blooms can:
Produce extremely dangerous toxins that can sicken or kill people and animals


https://www.epa.gov/nutrientpollution/harmful-algal-blooms

The river looks bad. No one would drink from it, even totally inexperienced hikers.

You don't drink from rivers or lakes ever. Everyone knows this.