What happened to this California family?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Latest report is toxic algae was found in the river near the trail. . Google it.

We covered this about five pages ago when the sherrif’s Facebook conference aired. No human has died from toxic algae bloom. Also, the amount of toxic algae bloom needed to kill a toddler and a 6’2” man would be so different.

Well you missed this then: on Friday, 9/3, the BLM closed a section of the Merced River just downstream of Devils Gulch so apparently they think it's dangerous.
https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/1942355/blm-temporarily-closes-public-lands-in-mariposa-for-safety-reasons.html

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Anonymous wrote:Latest report is toxic algae was found in the river near the trail. . Google it.

We covered this about five pages ago when the sherrif’s Facebook conference aired. No human has died from toxic algae bloom. Also, the amount of toxic algae bloom needed to kill a toddler and a 6’2” man would be so different.

Well you missed this then: on Friday, 9/3, the BLM closed a section of the Merced River just downstream of Devils Gulch so apparently they think it's dangerous.
https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/1942355/blm-temporarily-closes-public-lands-in-mariposa-for-safety-reasons.html

Sure, it could be harmful so they are closing it out of precaution, that doesn't mean they all died from algae poisoning.

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Anonymous wrote:Latest report is toxic algae was found in the river near the trail. . Google it.

We covered this about five pages ago when the sherrif’s Facebook conference aired. No human has died from toxic algae bloom. Also, the amount of toxic algae bloom needed to kill a toddler and a 6’2” man would be so different.

Well you missed this then: on Friday, 9/3, the BLM closed a section of the Merced River just downstream of Devils Gulch so apparently they think it's dangerous.
https://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/1942355/blm-temporarily-closes-public-lands-in-mariposa-for-safety-reasons.html

Sure, it could be harmful so they are closing it out of precaution, that doesn't mean they all died from algae poisoning.

Also doesn't rule it out.

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What they did us so reckless I’m really back to murder suicide.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that 25 miles is a good indication against lightening. Plus, lightening leaves marks.

What 25 miles are you referencing here?

The only recorded lightning strikes off the day were 25 miles away from where the family was found

Oh I see. Yeah that wouldn’t seem to be a factor then most likely.

Actually I just read that lightning in ground current can travel up to 60 feet.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/06/27/how-lightning-kills-and-injures-victims/

Look, I'm from Florida and as paranoid about lightning as anyone (if I hear even the faintest rumble, I make the kids come inside). But would the dad still be in a seated position after a lightning strike? That seems unlikely.

Haha, another Floridian here and my California-born spouse always annoyed at my “get inside” “get out of the shower” when thunder rolls

Glad to know I'm not the only one!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

[Anonymous]

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Not sure it has been mentioned here, but on websleuths a couple of posters have questioned whether they may have been confused about the destination given that there are two nearby trails with “Hites Cove” in the name. One is called Hites Cove trail and the other Hites Cove Road trail. The one they weren’t on is a flat, pleasant walk popular in the spring for wildflower viewing. It seems unlikely given that the husband had researched the hike ahead of time and both trails were near their house; in addition they would have quickly realized their error, and probably wouldn’t have decided to change their plans at that point. I wanted to throw this out for the sake of theory completeness though, since the other trail would have made more sense for a hike with a baby and dog.

Most plausible.

Pp again. Here's a map showing what the first pp stated in bold. Notice the parked car bottom left at Hites Cove Rd. That is the easier trail pp describes, yet family was found on the harsh trail on right. It's very possible they meant to follow the leisurely trail. It seems illogical that investigators wouldn't consider they might have mistaken their ntended trail.

I may be WRONG, but somewhere (maybe pages ago or a linked update) it was stated that forensics determined they traveled 8.5 miles. Can anyone confirm? If so, and based on map above, they parked and started to the left of parked car on Hites Cove Road turned Hites Cove Trail and followed the arrows, looped around river to Salvage-Lundy switchback incline where they were found 1.5 miles from parked car. If they started to the right of parked car on Hites Cove Road turned Hites Cove Trail to Savage-Lundy decline where they were found, that’s ~2.5 or 3 miles traveled right?

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Not sure it has been mentioned here, but on websleuths a couple of posters have questioned whether they may have been confused about the destination given that there are two nearby trails with “Hites Cove” in the name. One is called Hites Cove trail and the other Hites Cove Road trail. The one they weren’t on is a flat, pleasant walk popular in the spring for wildflower viewing. It seems unlikely given that the husband had researched the hike ahead of time and both trails were near their house; in addition they would have quickly realized their error, and probably wouldn’t have decided to change their plans at that point. I wanted to throw this out for the sake of theory completeness though, since the other trail would have made more sense for a hike with a baby and dog.

Most plausible.

Pp again. Here's a map showing what the first pp stated in bold. Notice the parked car bottom left at Hites Cove Rd. That is the easier trail pp describes, yet family was found on the harsh trail on right. It's very possible they meant to follow the leisurely trail. It seems illogical that investigators wouldn't consider they might have mistaken their ntended trail.

I may be WRONG, but somewhere (maybe pages ago or a linked update) it was stated that forensics determined they traveled 8.5 miles. Can anyone confirm? If so, and based on map above, they parked and started to the left of parked car on Hites Cove Road turned Hites Cove Trail and followed the arrows, looped around river to Salvage-Lundy switchback incline where they were found 1.5 miles from parked car. If they started to the right of parked car on Hites Cove Road turned Hites Cove Trail to Savage-Lundy decline where they were found, that’s ~2.5 or 3 miles* traveled right?

correction meant *1.5-2 miles

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not sure it has been mentioned here, but on websleuths a couple of posters have questioned whether they may have been confused about the destination given that there are two nearby trails with “Hites Cove” in the name. One is called Hites Cove trail and the other Hites Cove Road trail. The one they weren’t on is a flat, pleasant walk popular in the spring for wildflower viewing. It seems unlikely given that the husband had researched the hike ahead of time and both trails were near their house; in addition they would have quickly realized their error, and probably wouldn’t have decided to change their plans at that point. I wanted to throw this out for the sake of theory completeness though, since the other trail would have made more sense for a hike with a baby and dog.

Most plausible.

Pp again. Here's a map showing what the first pp stated in bold. Notice the parked car bottom left at Hites Cove Rd. That is the easier trail pp describes, yet family was found on the harsh trail on right. It's very possible they meant to follow the leisurely trail. It seems illogical that investigators wouldn't consider they might have mistaken their ntended trail.

I may be WRONG, but somewhere (maybe pages ago or a linked update) it was stated that forensics determined they traveled 8.5 miles. Can anyone confirm? If so, and based on map above, they parked and started to the left of parked car on Hites Cove Road turned Hites Cove Trail and followed the arrows, looped around river to Salvage-Lundy switchback incline where they were found 1.5 miles from parked car. If they started to the right of parked car on Hites Cove Road turned Hites Cove Trail to Savage-Lundy decline where they were found, that’s ~2.5 or 3 miles traveled right?

I think LE stated in an earlier released timeline that they traveled 8 miles, but then later deleted that detail from their current timeline. So I don’t think they know for sure how far they actually traveled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Not sure it has been mentioned here, but on websleuths a couple of posters have questioned whether they may have been confused about the destination given that there are two nearby trails with “Hites Cove” in the name. One is called Hites Cove trail and the other Hites Cove Road trail. The one they weren’t on is a flat, pleasant walk popular in the spring for wildflower viewing. It seems unlikely given that the husband had researched the hike ahead of time and both trails were near their house; in addition they would have quickly realized their error, and probably wouldn’t have decided to change their plans at that point. I wanted to throw this out for the sake of theory completeness though, since the other trail would have made more sense for a hike with a baby and dog.

Most plausible.

Pp again. Here's a map showing what the first pp stated in bold. Notice the parked car bottom left at Hites Cove Rd. That is the easier trail pp describes, yet family was found on the harsh trail on right. It's very possible they meant to follow the leisurely trail. It seems illogical that investigators wouldn't consider they might have mistaken their ntended trail.

I may be WRONG, but somewhere (maybe pages ago or a linked update) it was stated that forensics determined they traveled 8.5 miles. Can anyone confirm? If so, and based on map above, they parked and started to the left of parked car on Hites Cove Road turned Hites Cove Trail and followed the arrows, looped around river to Salvage-Lundy switchback incline where they were found 1.5 miles from parked car. If they started to the right of parked car on Hites Cove Road turned Hites Cove Trail to Savage-Lundy decline where they were found, that’s ~2.5 or 3 miles traveled right?

I think LE stated in an earlier released timeline that they traveled 8 miles, but then later deleted that detail from their current timeline. So I don’t think they know for sure how far they actually traveled.

The phone should have location history from GPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

Not a walk a hike. August is crazy brutal heat for most of the country and they have difficulty regulating heat. They also can communicate as well if they feel poorly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

Not a walk a hike. August is crazy brutal heat for most of the country and they have difficulty regulating heat. They also can communicate as well if they feel poorly.

I live in Northern California and we have days in August when it's mid 80s and no humidity.

[Anonymous]

In other photos, it seemed like the dad carried his phone in his pocket. You'd think he would have taken pictures, which might show something.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't care if they accidentally went on the wrong trail. It was cruel and reckless to take a baby and dog on this trek. Period. They aren't idiots; he's a tech millionaire and she wasn't some dumb foreign babe in the woods, she was born in the U.S. and graduated from Berkeley. So spare me they didn't know how hot it was going to be. You do not take a baby and dog on a 85 or 95 or 110 degree hike. Clearly mentally ill thrill seekers.

Ah yes the superior intellectual prowess given to those >>Booorn in the U-S-A…<<

Agreed. PP is showing her ugliness.

British husband is not “foreign” because he is white, but US born Asian wife needs clarification because she is not white. PP needs to clarify Ellen is not a “dumb foreign born babe”. Husband who is actually foreign born needs no clarification because he’s white. OK.

Many tech bros are idiots (looking at you burning man) and do reckless and dangerous stuff. They also sometimes believe excellence at making apps makes them over confident in all things.

That said, I think PP point was the wife was from California and this should have some experience with the climate.

But taking a baby for a hike in August is just weird in almost any climate.

WTH?

Not a walk a hike. August is crazy brutal heat for most of the country and they have difficulty regulating heat. They also can communicate as well if they feel poorly.

I live in Northern California and we have days in August when it's mid 80s and no humidity.

That’s wonderful and still dangerous to take a baby out for extended period of time when temp is above 80. Let alone 80s, hiking in a carrier, likely often in direct sun.

Walk around the neighborhood? Playground? Shady picnic? Awesome 2+ hours away under constant motion, likely strapped to a hot sweaty adult with long periods for full sun. Even a bad idea at 80. Definitely 80s.

https://www.parents.com/baby/care/newborn/making-baby-comfortable-in-summer-heat/

Their baby had just turned one, barely last infant stage.