SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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I agree with everything you wrote. Carrie is the sun, moon, and stars for SJP, and her preserving not only the costumes but the props and furniture used on the original series is really odd; it's a very unhealthy attachment to the character.

I have so many questions about this. Did you watch the documentary? That was a crazy amount of storage space. Does HBO pay for it or does SJP? Does every series save all this stuff? I also watch The Connors and that set is exactly the same - did they have to recreate everything or was that stuff stored as well? There have been so many reboots lately, I couldn’t help but wonder 😆 if anyone knows anything about this.

I did! I love learning about how things work behind the scenes on film sets, so 90% of the "documentary" didn't do that for me. And yeah, I wonder how much she pays per month to store all that stuff! Storage prices are extremely crazy and volatile in this area, especially now. If it's in NYC, she's not only paying a location premium, a unit size premium, AND (most likely) a climate control premium, but probably an extra security premium or some other such nonsense.

Also, you made me curious, so I looked up her storage unit preferences (quote below from this article: https://people.com/style/sarah-jessica-parker-owns-sex-and-the-city-clothes-carrie-satc-storage/ , emphasis mine):

"I had all of the original stuff in my own storage. Furniture, clothes, everything, packed according to season and episode and scene," Parker noted. "I kept every single solitary thing."

That's insane. Can you imagine HBO doing it for every actor of every long-running show? On the show, Lily helped Carrie sort her clothes, so I imagine SJP paid a pretty penny for some FIT intern to do the same with all her stuff (given the volume of things, even at $15/hour, that's a lot of money and time).

I've never seen The Connors, but I recently watched American Crime Story: Impeachment and really enjoyed that. They had very intricate sets (I know one of Linda Tripp's children said that the house shown on TV was almost an exact replica of her house growing up) and a few of the actors mentioned stealing things like pillows and blankets from that. On a separate note, I saw an interview with Sarah Paulson, who played Linda Tripp, and it was fascinating to see the intellectual connection Paulson formed with Tripp and how she spoke about playing the character. It's the complete opposite with SJP: outside of squeals, a supposed "social status" she believes the role grants her, and playing dress up in designer clothing, there's nothing that she contributes to the role besides being a physical body to put on camera. When she was bragging about "having zero acting training" in the doc, I thought, "oh yes, we can definitely see that".

Yep. This could not be a character that became a widow and started dating around a year later. She had to be Really, Truly, Released to be Single in a Cosmic, Public, and Dramatic Way.

I mean, it was the defining relationship of its time, right? Thank god we have the original set intact to we can cope effectively with the loss and transition.

Actually, I'm enjoying this reboot more than the original, warts and all. I thought the last episode had more of a light freedom and hope to it. It's just -- "death is the worst breakup ever?" Yeah, that's SJP iconicizing the role and relationship, and flailing to move past it.

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I’m liking the reboot too. I don’t take it too seriously and just enjoy it for what it is. Yes, some bits are cringey and unrealistic but hey, it’s light entertainment.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m liking the reboot too. I don’t take it too seriously and just enjoy it for what it is. Yes, some bits are cringey and unrealistic but hey, it’s light entertainment.

Exactly. And I appreciate that they are trying to deal with new (-ish, relatively, for primetime at least) issues such as having a nonbinary kid while practicing a traditional religion. And that there are POC writing some of the parts people find cringe-y, and maybe that's just where we are at right now. Hope the culture gets better about it.

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I agree with everything you wrote. Carrie is the sun, moon, and stars for SJP, and her preserving not only the costumes but the props and furniture used on the original series is really odd; it's a very unhealthy attachment to the character.

I have so many questions about this. Did you watch the documentary? That was a crazy amount of storage space. Does HBO pay for it or does SJP? Does every series save all this stuff? I also watch The Connors and that set is exactly the same - did they have to recreate everything or was that stuff stored as well? There have been so many reboots lately, I couldn’t help but wonder 😆 if anyone knows anything about this.

I did! I love learning about how things work behind the scenes on film sets, so 90% of the "documentary" didn't do that for me. And yeah, I wonder how much she pays per month to store all that stuff! Storage prices are extremely crazy and volatile in this area, especially now. If it's in NYC, she's not only paying a location premium, a unit size premium, AND (most likely) a climate control premium, but probably an extra security premium or some other such nonsense.

Also, you made me curious, so I looked up her storage unit preferences (quote below from this article: https://people.com/style/sarah-jessica-parker-owns-sex-and-the-city-clothes-carrie-satc-storage/ , emphasis mine):

"I had all of the original stuff in my own storage. Furniture, clothes, everything, packed according to season and episode and scene," Parker noted. "I kept every single solitary thing."

That's insane. Can you imagine HBO doing it for every actor of every long-running show? On the show, Lily helped Carrie sort her clothes, so I imagine SJP paid a pretty penny for some FIT intern to do the same with all her stuff (given the volume of things, even at $15/hour, that's a lot of money and time).

I've never seen The Connors, but I recently watched American Crime Story: Impeachment and really enjoyed that. They had very intricate sets (I know one of Linda Tripp's children said that the house shown on TV was almost an exact replica of her house growing up) and a few of the actors mentioned stealing things like pillows and blankets from that. On a separate note, I saw an interview with Sarah Paulson, who played Linda Tripp, and it was fascinating to see the intellectual connection Paulson formed with Tripp and how she spoke about playing the character. It's the complete opposite with SJP: outside of squeals, a supposed "social status" she believes the role grants her, and playing dress up in designer clothing, there's nothing that she contributes to the role besides being a physical body to put on camera. When she was bragging about "having zero acting training" in the doc, I thought, "oh yes, we can definitely see that".

Yep. This could not be a character that became a widow and started dating around a year later. She had to be Really, Truly, Released to be Single in a Cosmic, Public, and Dramatic Way.

I mean, it was the defining relationship of its time, right? Thank god we have the original set intact to we can cope effectively with the loss and transition.

Actually, I'm enjoying this reboot more than the original, warts and all. I thought the last episode had more of a light freedom and hope to it. It's just -- "death is the worst breakup ever?" Yeah, that's SJP iconicizing the role and relationship, and flailing to move past it.

Exactly! You know that post-Big, she was looking for love. Real love. Ridiculous, inconvenient, consuming, can't-live-without-each-other love. I wonder if she'll add the infamous Peloton to her collection, since it contributed to the worst break up in the history of ever.

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Anonymous wrote:Rock is so selfish and annoying. I hope she gets an ass whooping.

It’s great to come out as a trans. But if you don’t agree with having a they mitzvah, you should’ve just said that before the entire party was happening. Nobody called them out for that. But, as the parent of a difficult non-binary child—my kid would totally have pulled that crap too.

Yeah, I wasn't non-binary or trans but I sure was difficult and I would have pulled that on my parents when I was 13, too. I don't think we need to show non-binary and trans characters as being more perfect than anyone else - we don't need them to be perfect angels, any more than we need any other character to be.

I loved that Charlotte got bat mitzvahed. It was lovely.

Gay, straight or non-binary, if I had planned that huge event and my kid had decided at the last minute they’re not doing it, there would have been hell to pay. Life as they knew it would be over. They would need to earn back every single privilege and thing they take for granted. And no, they wouldn’t get extra coddling because they’re non-binary. As far as I can tell, that doesn’t prevent you from having basic decency and consideration for other people.

But it’s a tv show so all was well and nobody cared that the kid was a spoiled brat.

Both of those kids are obnoxious spoiled brats.

Actually, if Harry and Charlotte had actually, like, LISTENED not only to their kids, but to the other rabbis who said Rock wasn’t prepared, they would have never kept up the planning and preparation up to the day of the event.

My sister decided on the day of not to be confirmed as a Catholic. She had a crisis of conscience on the morning of. Luckily, I have parents who actually care about faith, religion and their child, not just about throwing some social event, so they supported her 100% even though family had come into town and there was a dinner. And don’t blah blah blah to me about how the party wasn’t as big a deal: Charlotte clearly cares more about throwing parties than true religious and faith-filled experiences.

I'm not sure if it's the same though. Maybe it is - I'm not Catholic - but as I understand it, being confirmed is specifically an affirmation of FAITH - so you have to believe in it because that is literally what it is. But that is not what a bar/bat/bnei mitzva is. It is a celebration of something that happens automatically to a Jew on their 12th or 13th birthday - that they become an adult in the eyes of Jewish law. The way most Jews celebrate is by having the honor of being called up to read from the Torah in synagogue, which only adults are invited to do. It's not really about faith, and under Jewish law, as a Jew, Rock has become bnei mitvah whether they want to take part in this celebration or not. So I get that they didn't want to take part in it, and I also completely blame Harry and Charlotte for not listening to them before, but Rock should also have had this particular conversation before the bnei mitzva, not on the day of

The reading of a religious text is not…religious? Why not just recite a poem in Hebrew? Oh because it’s religious? If you don’t agree with the teachings of the Torah or the Bible, it would present a moral conundrum to be ashes to read them out loud in public, yes?

Why can’t someone have a moral tipping point on the day if the thing? A bride who realizes she shouldn’t marry the groom should go through with it and lie through her vows because cake/dress/family?

I think that’s very different—getting married when you don’t want to has serious legal and financial implications for the future. Reading Torah aloud for 15 minutes has no such implications.

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Anonymous wrote:Rock is so selfish and annoying. I hope she gets an ass whooping.

It’s great to come out as a trans. But if you don’t agree with having a they mitzvah, you should’ve just said that before the entire party was happening. Nobody called them out for that. But, as the parent of a difficult non-binary child—my kid would totally have pulled that crap too.

Yeah, I wasn't non-binary or trans but I sure was difficult and I would have pulled that on my parents when I was 13, too. I don't think we need to show non-binary and trans characters as being more perfect than anyone else - we don't need them to be perfect angels, any more than we need any other character to be.

I loved that Charlotte got bat mitzvahed. It was lovely.

Gay, straight or non-binary, if I had planned that huge event and my kid had decided at the last minute they’re not doing it, there would have been hell to pay. Life as they knew it would be over. They would need to earn back every single privilege and thing they take for granted. And no, they wouldn’t get extra coddling because they’re non-binary. As far as I can tell, that doesn’t prevent you from having basic decency and consideration for other people.

But it’s a tv show so all was well and nobody cared that the kid was a spoiled brat.

Both of those kids are obnoxious spoiled brats.

Actually, if Harry and Charlotte had actually, like, LISTENED not only to their kids, but to the other rabbis who said Rock wasn’t prepared, they would have never kept up the planning and preparation up to the day of the event.

My sister decided on the day of not to be confirmed as a Catholic. She had a crisis of conscience on the morning of. Luckily, I have parents who actually care about faith, religion and their child, not just about throwing some social event, so they supported her 100% even though family had come into town and there was a dinner. And don’t blah blah blah to me about how the party wasn’t as big a deal: Charlotte clearly cares more about throwing parties than true religious and faith-filled experiences.

I'm not sure if it's the same though. Maybe it is - I'm not Catholic - but as I understand it, being confirmed is specifically an affirmation of FAITH - so you have to believe in it because that is literally what it is. But that is not what a bar/bat/bnei mitzva is. It is a celebration of something that happens automatically to a Jew on their 12th or 13th birthday - that they become an adult in the eyes of Jewish law. The way most Jews celebrate is by having the honor of being called up to read from the Torah in synagogue, which only adults are invited to do. It's not really about faith, and under Jewish law, as a Jew, Rock has become bnei mitvah whether they want to take part in this celebration or not. So I get that they didn't want to take part in it, and I also completely blame Harry and Charlotte for not listening to them before, but Rock should also have had this particular conversation before the bnei mitzva, not on the day of

The reading of a religious text is not…religious? Why not just recite a poem in Hebrew? Oh because it’s religious? If you don’t agree with the teachings of the Torah or the Bible, it would present a moral conundrum to be ashes to read them out loud in public, yes?

Why can’t someone have a moral tipping point on the day if the thing? A bride who realizes she shouldn’t marry the groom should go through with it and lie through her vows because cake/dress/family?

I think that’s very different—getting married when you don’t want to has serious legal and financial implications for the future. Reading Torah aloud for 15 minutes has no such implications.

Apparently it does for Rock.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m liking the reboot too. I don’t take it too seriously and just enjoy it for what it is. Yes, some bits are cringey and unrealistic but hey, it’s light entertainment.

Exactly. And I appreciate that they are trying to deal with new (-ish, relatively, for primetime at least) issues such as having a nonbinary kid while practicing a traditional religion. And that there are POC writing some of the parts people find cringe-y, and maybe that's just where we are at right now. Hope the culture gets better about it.

lol. We will browbeat the audience with terrible writing until they like it! Great idea.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m liking the reboot too. I don’t take it too seriously and just enjoy it for what it is. Yes, some bits are cringey and unrealistic but hey, it’s light entertainment.

Exactly. And I appreciate that they are trying to deal with new (-ish, relatively, for primetime at least) issues such as having a nonbinary kid while practicing a traditional religion. And that there are POC writing some of the parts people find cringe-y, and maybe that's just where we are at right now. Hope the culture gets better about it.

lol. We will browbeat the audience with terrible writing until they like it! Great idea.

You are judging POC as writers in navigating this?

Whatever your background, that's rather skeevy. Ew.

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Renewed!
https://people.com/tv/and-just-like-that-renewed-for-season-2-at-hbo-max/


I hope the writing improves in season 2, but I'm happy they'll be back. Except Che, whom I hope will stay in LA.

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Anonymous wrote:Renewed!
https://people.com/tv/and-just-like-that-renewed-for-season-2-at-hbo-max/


I hope the writing improves in season 2, but I'm happy they'll be back. Except Che, whom I hope will stay in LA.

I’m so happy! In the end, I ended up really liking it and it prompted me to rewatch the original. Looking forward to season 2!

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Anonymous wrote:Renewed!
https://people.com/tv/and-just-like-that-renewed-for-season-2-at-hbo-max/


I hope the writing improves in season 2, but I'm happy they'll be back. Except Che, whom I hope will stay in LA.

I’m so happy! In the end, I ended up really liking it and it prompted me to rewatch the original. Looking forward to season 2!

Absolutely hated it. And I expect the writing to be worse bc they are trying so hard to be woke.

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Anonymous wrote:Renewed!
https://people.com/tv/and-just-like-that-renewed-for-season-2-at-hbo-max/


I hope the writing improves in season 2, but I'm happy they'll be back. Except Che, whom I hope will stay in LA.

I’m so happy! In the end, I ended up really liking it and it prompted me to rewatch the original. Looking forward to season 2!

Absolutely hated it. And I expect the writing to be worse bc they are trying so hard to be woke.

I actually thought it made a purposeful mockery of the woke issues. It made me LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Renewed!
https://people.com/tv/and-just-like-that-renewed-for-season-2-at-hbo-max/


I hope the writing improves in season 2, but I'm happy they'll be back. Except Che, whom I hope will stay in LA.

I’m so happy! In the end, I ended up really liking it and it prompted me to rewatch the original. Looking forward to season 2!

Absolutely hated it. And I expect the writing to be worse bc they are trying so hard to be woke.

I actually thought it made a purposeful mockery of the woke issues. It made me LOL.

Agree. That’s the only part I liked about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Renewed!
https://people.com/tv/and-just-like-that-renewed-for-season-2-at-hbo-max/


I hope the writing improves in season 2, but I'm happy they'll be back. Except Che, whom I hope will stay in LA.

I’m so happy! In the end, I ended up really liking it and it prompted me to rewatch the original. Looking forward to season 2!

This season def had its ups and downs but I am excited to see what they do next. I thought they did a really good job making it feel like an actual season of actual television - not some fanfic diminished copy of what was (looking at you AYITL)

[Anonymous]

I finally watched this. I’m early 50s and was a big fan of SATC. I liked this much more than I expected. Yes there were some flat moments (I really really missed Samantha- the ladies’ discussions over drinks/meals were just not the same - and Stanny, too- sob!), but I thought the characters aged well and highlighted age appropriate and current issues. I think the 3 lead actresses kept their characters true to their SATC selves while bringing new challenges to them. I liked the new characters, too. I hope this is renewed and I hope that Samantha returns.