CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-military-brought-coronavirus-to-wuhan-chinese-diplomat-claims/ar-BB117L5m

US military brought coronavirus to Wuhan, Chinese diplomat claims

Well Spanish Flu did start in Kansas.

But this is probably tit for tat.

PR game- https://thehill.com/policy/international/487308-china-pushing-conspiracy-theory-us-army-bringing-coronavirus-wuhan?amp

China, pushing conspiracy theory, accuses US Army of bringing coronavirus to Wuhan

Yup. I said this days ago. After a statement like this, you’d think that the media would stop going after the President and realize where the real issues are. Nope.

The President, who stood next to a known person with Coronavirus and refuses testing?
The President who called this a hoax?
The President who told us it would magically disappear?

No matter anyone’s political opinion, he has lied to the country and caused us to be where we are today. Statements made by China can’t fix, explain or forgive any of The President’s actions/inactions.

Dr. Fauci has been clear the US failed it’s handling of this. That falls directly on our leadership.

+1 And thank goodness for Dr. Fauci, Trump and his non science believers need to go.

Yes, thank goddess for Dr. Fauci. When I was a college student (early to mid 90s) I did a research paper on HIV. I picked up the phone and called the NIH to get some information. The secretary put me on a brief hold then transferred me to Dr. Fauci! And he spent a good while answering all my questions! I got an A on the paper and to this day I can’t believe that such a high-placed, busy man took the time out of his busy day to speak with a “lowly” college student! He is exceptional.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this isn't helpful, but maybe if I vent here, I will feel better.

Is anyone else mad at China? All this death and suffering because of unsanitary markets that should have been shut down after SARS. Plus initial government dishonesty.

Just seems so unnecessary .

I am.

Thank you! Yes I am mad at China. Also this acts a lot like a bio weapon that got loose. Now we are praising them because so many people died off over there? But politics and our dependence on cheap stuff from China ...

And now the us is blamed

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For anyone interested in how the real number of cases is being extrapolated based on the confirmed cases, this is a good source of information:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-

"With the number of cases we see today in countries like the US, Spain, France, Iran, Germany, Japan, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden or Switzerland, Wuhan was already in lockdown.
And if you’re telling yourself: “Well, Hubei is just one region”, let me remind you that it has nearly 60 million people, bigger than Spain and about the size of France."

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Anonymous wrote:I know this isn't helpful, but maybe if I vent here, I will feel better.

Is anyone else mad at China? All this death and suffering because of unsanitary markets that should have been shut down after SARS. Plus initial government dishonesty.

Just seems so unnecessary .

I am.

Thank you! Yes I am mad at China. Also this acts a lot like a bio weapon that got loose. Now we are praising them because so many people died off over there? But politics and our dependence on cheap stuff from China ...

And now the us is blamed

Watch out...lots of posters on here LOVE China!

I don't "LOVE" China but I can recognize that they handled the outbreak very well so far and gave the rest of the world some time to prepare.

My big issue is with the US response. We squandered that lead time with incompetence and inaction. And that will cost people their lives. Very sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Does someone have a link to the website that was made by the Chinese immigrants. It has stats on the USA and Canada. Has orange on the page. I am on a different computer and I can't find it.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

Thank You!

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Anonymous wrote:I know this isn't helpful, but maybe if I vent here, I will feel better.

Is anyone else mad at China? All this death and suffering because of unsanitary markets that should have been shut down after SARS. Plus initial government dishonesty.

Just seems so unnecessary .

I am.

Thank you! Yes I am mad at China. Also this acts a lot like a bio weapon that got loose. Now we are praising them because so many people died off over there? But politics and our dependence on cheap stuff from China ...

And now the us is blamed

Watch out...lots of posters on here LOVE China!

I don't "LOVE" China but I can recognize that they handled the outbreak very well so far and gave the rest of the world some time to prepare.

My big issue is with the US response. We squandered that lead time with incompetence and inaction. And that will cost people their lives. Very sad.

trump's early approach to the virus has been despicable. however, it is WAY TOO EARLY to appoint winners and losers here. the pandemic has barely began in the US. also, while cases are currently dropping in china we don't know what will happen in 2 months or 6 months. yes, they implemented drastic measures quickly and decisively (they also started the whole thing). but they are now relaxing them (obviously and justifiably) and we don't know what will happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this isn't helpful, but maybe if I vent here, I will feel better.

Is anyone else mad at China? All this death and suffering because of unsanitary markets that should have been shut down after SARS. Plus initial government dishonesty.

Just seems so unnecessary .

I am.

Thank you! Yes I am mad at China. Also this acts a lot like a bio weapon that got loose. Now we are praising them because so many people died off over there? But politics and our dependence on cheap stuff from China ...

And now the us is blamed

Watch out...lots of posters on here LOVE China!

I don't "LOVE" China but I can recognize that they handled the outbreak very well so far and gave the rest of the world some time to prepare.

My big issue is with the US response. We squandered that lead time with incompetence and inaction. And that will cost people their lives. Very sad.

Do you mean well as in when China covered this up for weeks? Are you kidding me?

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Anonymous wrote:One positive note. I've been tracking the numbers pretty closely on the worldometers.info website. The percentage of cases designed as critical has actually been declining steeply -- it was at about 18% for a long time, and now it down to 9%. It is probably due to increased testing, but still is somewhat encouraging. The death percentage just crept up a bit, though -- it had been remarkably steady at 6% of resolved cases (so only about 4% of all cases, but 6% of the cases that were resolved through either death or recovery) and is not at 7%.

Many countries seem not to be reporting the number of critical or serious cases. USA’s number has been stagnant for days. I think that statistic is not longer close to accurate.

That you think the statistic is not longer close to accurate is entirely your opinion. Which I can't place much weight into.

I have been watching the news very carefully and reading the reputable papers. No one (so far) is reporting a critical surge of hositalization. New York has 300+ positive people in the greater NYC region but the only hospitalization I can find a record of is the first man who came down with it three weeks ago and was in critical care. He hasn't died (yet) and it's now three weeks later. Almost all the hospitalization in Seattle are related to the one nursing home where the virus broke out.

This is very encouraging so far. All the deaths, outside the Seattle nursing home, are isolated cases here and there and not connected to a pattern (ie multiple people from the same family or same office).

Virginia has 30 cases and 10 are hospitalized, so your dismissal of the severity appears to be very wrong.
http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/surveillance-and-investigation/novel-coronavirus/

Virginia does NOT have 30 cases. They have 30 confirmed positive tests, based upon the extremely limited test criteria. They probably have more than 100 cases. Maybe up to 1000 cases. They aren't even reporting on the number of cases they've done, or even what the current lag time is.

I believe as much as anyone US cases are severely under-counted, but it's a bit silly to criticize use of the confirmed numbers as PP did.

Those are the only solid numbers we have and trying to use estimates based on a myriad of different assumptions just leads to confusion.

NP here, but I think that PP has a point. People don't realize that the reported numbers aren't the real numbers. They're taking that info and saying, well, we only have X-number of confirmed cases in my county, so I think we should keep schools open, keep mass gatherings, travel, etc. These artificially low numbers are preventing us from taking the necessary measures to flatten the curve. Americans are not good at math, and half the country loves our commander-in-chief. We are royally fcked if we don't explain that confirmed case numbers fall way, way below actual numbers.

You're misreading this thread.

Even if you're going by only the reported numbers, it's bad.

I was the one that said that Virginia doesn't have 30 cases. I think we're actually all in agreement, just saying things different ways. It's clear that the rate of critical care is not 33% (the VA statistic) or .33% (the NY statistic). The international numbers of 10-20% seem to be holding pretty steady and are probably going to hold here. That's what I think it's likely Virginia has at least 100 cases, probably more. New York is probably just at the beginning of the curve and will have more hospitalizations soon.
There was a very impressive doctor from WHO on one of the news channels last night talking about the data. She was an American woman who works in England. She said that what they've seen is that about 40% of people have something like a cold or a flu, about 40% have severe symptoms that may include pneumonia but don't require hospitalization. Then about 20% who require some sort of hospitalization, and I can't remember how she broke that down. I can't remember her name now but she seemed extremely knowledgeable and competent, so I'd watch her. (I looked up her bio and she went to Cornell and Stanford before going to London for PhD work, so maybe someone know who I am talking about.)

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Anonymous wrote:One positive note. I've been tracking the numbers pretty closely on the worldometers.info website. The percentage of cases designed as critical has actually been declining steeply -- it was at about 18% for a long time, and now it down to 9%. It is probably due to increased testing, but still is somewhat encouraging. The death percentage just crept up a bit, though -- it had been remarkably steady at 6% of resolved cases (so only about 4% of all cases, but 6% of the cases that were resolved through either death or recovery) and is not at 7%.

Many countries seem not to be reporting the number of critical or serious cases. USA’s number has been stagnant for days. I think that statistic is not longer close to accurate.

That you think the statistic is not longer close to accurate is entirely your opinion. Which I can't place much weight into.

I have been watching the news very carefully and reading the reputable papers. No one (so far) is reporting a critical surge of hositalization. New York has 300+ positive people in the greater NYC region but the only hospitalization I can find a record of is the first man who came down with it three weeks ago and was in critical care. He hasn't died (yet) and it's now three weeks later. Almost all the hospitalization in Seattle are related to the one nursing home where the virus broke out.

This is very encouraging so far. All the deaths, outside the Seattle nursing home, are isolated cases here and there and not connected to a pattern (ie multiple people from the same family or same office).

Virginia has 30 cases and 10 are hospitalized, so your dismissal of the severity appears to be very wrong.
http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/surveillance-and-investigation/novel-coronavirus/

Virginia does NOT have 30 cases. They have 30 confirmed positive tests, based upon the extremely limited test criteria. They probably have more than 100 cases. Maybe up to 1000 cases. They aren't even reporting on the number of cases they've done, or even what the current lag time is.

I believe as much as anyone US cases are severely under-counted, but it's a bit silly to criticize use of the confirmed numbers as PP did.

Those are the only solid numbers we have and trying to use estimates based on a myriad of different assumptions just leads to confusion.

NP here, but I think that PP has a point. People don't realize that the reported numbers aren't the real numbers. They're taking that info and saying, well, we only have X-number of confirmed cases in my county, so I think we should keep schools open, keep mass gatherings, travel, etc. These artificially low numbers are preventing us from taking the necessary measures to flatten the curve. Americans are not good at math, and half the country loves our commander-in-chief. We are royally fcked if we don't explain that confirmed case numbers fall way, way below actual numbers.

Only 13 in Ohio have tested positive, yet governor and health officials estimate at least 100,000 people in the state actually have it. So do the math for some of the states that have 100+ positive test results.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487329-ohio-health-official-estimates-100000-people-in-state-have-coronavirus

I am the person who posted the Virginia stats of 30 & 10, but what you are missing is that it was in response to the poster who said almost every case is mild, that almost no one is hospitalized in Westchester County & Seattle, etc. The point of my post was the ratio of positive cases that are hospitalized. Of course there are more cases that have not been tested, but this claim was responding to the "it's not even as bad as the flu" idiot.

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New York now has at least 421 cases of coronavirus, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said today. That’s an increase of at least 96 cases since the state's last update.

The governor said 50 patients are currently hospitalized, which is a 12% rate. Eighteen are in intensive care.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-13-20-intl-hnk/h_480262da2be9881dea288f0d76b97fd7

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Anonymous wrote:One positive note. I've been tracking the numbers pretty closely on the worldometers.info website. The percentage of cases designed as critical has actually been declining steeply -- it was at about 18% for a long time, and now it down to 9%. It is probably due to increased testing, but still is somewhat encouraging. The death percentage just crept up a bit, though -- it had been remarkably steady at 6% of resolved cases (so only about 4% of all cases, but 6% of the cases that were resolved through either death or recovery) and is not at 7%.

Many countries seem not to be reporting the number of critical or serious cases. USA’s number has been stagnant for days. I think that statistic is not longer close to accurate.

That you think the statistic is not longer close to accurate is entirely your opinion. Which I can't place much weight into.

I have been watching the news very carefully and reading the reputable papers. No one (so far) is reporting a critical surge of hositalization. New York has 300+ positive people in the greater NYC region but the only hospitalization I can find a record of is the first man who came down with it three weeks ago and was in critical care. He hasn't died (yet) and it's now three weeks later. Almost all the hospitalization in Seattle are related to the one nursing home where the virus broke out.

This is very encouraging so far. All the deaths, outside the Seattle nursing home, are isolated cases here and there and not connected to a pattern (ie multiple people from the same family or same office).

Virginia has 30 cases and 10 are hospitalized, so your dismissal of the severity appears to be very wrong.
http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/surveillance-and-investigation/novel-coronavirus/

Virginia does NOT have 30 cases. They have 30 confirmed positive tests, based upon the extremely limited test criteria. They probably have more than 100 cases. Maybe up to 1000 cases. They aren't even reporting on the number of cases they've done, or even what the current lag time is.

I believe as much as anyone US cases are severely under-counted, but it's a bit silly to criticize use of the confirmed numbers as PP did.

Those are the only solid numbers we have and trying to use estimates based on a myriad of different assumptions just leads to confusion.

NP here, but I think that PP has a point. People don't realize that the reported numbers aren't the real numbers. They're taking that info and saying, well, we only have X-number of confirmed cases in my county, so I think we should keep schools open, keep mass gatherings, travel, etc. These artificially low numbers are preventing us from taking the necessary measures to flatten the curve. Americans are not good at math, and half the country loves our commander-in-chief. We are royally fcked if we don't explain that confirmed case numbers fall way, way below actual numbers.

Only 13 in Ohio have tested positive, yet governor and health officials estimate at least 100,000 people in the state actually have it. So do the math for some of the states that have 100+ positive test results.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487329-ohio-health-official-estimates-100000-people-in-state-have-coronavirus

I am the person who posted the Virginia stats of 30 & 10, but what you are missing is that it was in response to the poster who said almost every case is mild, that almost no one is hospitalized in Westchester County & Seattle, etc. The point of my post was the ratio of positive cases that are hospitalized. Of course there are more cases that have not been tested, but this claim was responding to the "it's not even as bad as the flu" idiot.

Different pp here. Be careful jumping to conclusions about hospitalization. People were saying that about Italy at first too. The critical patients take about three weeks to reach that point so let’s hope for the best but it’s premature to assume low numbers of critical patient will continue.

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Interesting article below. South Korea doctors are using anti-hiv and malaria medicine with some success...

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/12/South-Korea-experts-recommend-anti-HIV-anti-malaria-drugs-for-COVID-19/6961584012321/

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article below. South Korea doctors are using anti-hiv and malaria medicine with some success...

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/03/12/South-Korea-experts-recommend-anti-HIV-anti-malaria-drugs-for-COVID-19/6961584012321/

If you’ve been paying attention you’d have known this for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:One positive note. I've been tracking the numbers pretty closely on the worldometers.info website. The percentage of cases designed as critical has actually been declining steeply -- it was at about 18% for a long time, and now it down to 9%. It is probably due to increased testing, but still is somewhat encouraging. The death percentage just crept up a bit, though -- it had been remarkably steady at 6% of resolved cases (so only about 4% of all cases, but 6% of the cases that were resolved through either death or recovery) and is not at 7%.

Many countries seem not to be reporting the number of critical or serious cases. USA’s number has been stagnant for days. I think that statistic is not longer close to accurate.

That you think the statistic is not longer close to accurate is entirely your opinion. Which I can't place much weight into.

I have been watching the news very carefully and reading the reputable papers. No one (so far) is reporting a critical surge of hositalization. New York has 300+ positive people in the greater NYC region but the only hospitalization I can find a record of is the first man who came down with it three weeks ago and was in critical care. He hasn't died (yet) and it's now three weeks later. Almost all the hospitalization in Seattle are related to the one nursing home where the virus broke out.

This is very encouraging so far. All the deaths, outside the Seattle nursing home, are isolated cases here and there and not connected to a pattern (ie multiple people from the same family or same office).

Virginia has 30 cases and 10 are hospitalized, so your dismissal of the severity appears to be very wrong.
http://www.vdh.virginia.gov/surveillance-and-investigation/novel-coronavirus/

Virginia does NOT have 30 cases. They have 30 confirmed positive tests, based upon the extremely limited test criteria. They probably have more than 100 cases. Maybe up to 1000 cases. They aren't even reporting on the number of cases they've done, or even what the current lag time is.

I believe as much as anyone US cases are severely under-counted, but it's a bit silly to criticize use of the confirmed numbers as PP did.

Those are the only solid numbers we have and trying to use estimates based on a myriad of different assumptions just leads to confusion.

NP here, but I think that PP has a point. People don't realize that the reported numbers aren't the real numbers. They're taking that info and saying, well, we only have X-number of confirmed cases in my county, so I think we should keep schools open, keep mass gatherings, travel, etc. These artificially low numbers are preventing us from taking the necessary measures to flatten the curve. Americans are not good at math, and half the country loves our commander-in-chief. We are royally fcked if we don't explain that confirmed case numbers fall way, way below actual numbers.

Only 13 in Ohio have tested positive, yet governor and health officials estimate at least 100,000 people in the state actually have it. So do the math for some of the states that have 100+ positive test results.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487329-ohio-health-official-estimates-100000-people-in-state-have-coronavirus

I am the person who posted the Virginia stats of 30 & 10, but what you are missing is that it was in response to the poster who said almost every case is mild, that almost no one is hospitalized in Westchester County & Seattle, etc. The point of my post was the ratio of positive cases that are hospitalized. Of course there are more cases that have not been tested, but this claim was responding to the "it's not even as bad as the flu" idiot.

Different pp here. Be careful jumping to conclusions about hospitalization. People were saying that about Italy at first too. The critical patients take about three weeks to reach that point so let’s hope for the best but it’s premature to assume low numbers of critical patient will continue.

I was saying the opposite. I was saying it is bad. I was responding to someone who said it was not bad. Then everybody has jumped on me for being an idiot for quoting the announced numbers.