APS Closing Nottingham

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

I have not heard that traffic around the new ATS is "fine."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this thread. Nottingham families are entitled to an underenrolled walkable neighborhood school in perpetuity. Because the traffic around them is so egregious that their children can’t venture outdoors. It’s the very worst part of Arlington to live in apparently. Who knew the Notties had it so hard?!

Rezone the area - add more students so Nottingham is at capacity. Nobody is insisting Nottingham stays under capacity- what we are advocating for is keeping a neighborhood school as a neighborhood school, and not increase traffic by multitudes because APS won’t even adhere to their own guidelines for swing space: centrality. It is irresponsible of APS to fail to consider the implications on neighborhood traffic and long commute times for the families that will use it as a swing space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

I have not heard that traffic around the new ATS is "fine."

Where in the County, around which schools, have you heard that it IS fine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this thread. Nottingham families are entitled to an underenrolled walkable neighborhood school in perpetuity. Because the traffic around them is so egregious that their children can’t venture outdoors. It’s the very worst part of Arlington to live in apparently. Who knew the Notties had it so hard?!

Rezone the area - add more students so Nottingham is at capacity. Nobody is insisting Nottingham stays under capacity- what we are advocating for is keeping a neighborhood school as a neighborhood school, and not increase traffic by multitudes because APS won’t even adhere to their own guidelines for swing space: centrality. It is irresponsible of APS to fail to consider the implications on neighborhood traffic and long commute times for the families that will use it as a swing space.

Just rezone the area. OK. How?
So NES is full,TES is under-enrolled, and DES is empty and the one targeted for swing space? or so NES is full, DES is full, and JES is identified for closure? or so all the NA schools are full and a bunch of SA kids have to bus farther away from their current schools to help fill them?

Don't you see that multiple under-enrolled schools in the same area = not enough kids in said area to fill them? Of course you do. Which means we can expect that if the situation were reversed, you would propose the same solution of rezoning a multiple-under-enrolled SA area to make them full and you will send your over-crowded NES/DES/JES kids down south to fill them.

Yes, re-zoning is always a simple and popular solution - especially for under-enrolled schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

I have not heard that traffic around the new ATS is "fine."

Where in the County, around which schools, have you heard that it IS fine?

I heard it got a lot worse around the McK building after ATS went in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this thread. Nottingham families are entitled to an underenrolled walkable neighborhood school in perpetuity. Because the traffic around them is so egregious that their children can’t venture outdoors. It’s the very worst part of Arlington to live in apparently. Who knew the Notties had it so hard?!

Rezone the area - add more students so Nottingham is at capacity. Nobody is insisting Nottingham stays under capacity- what we are advocating for is keeping a neighborhood school as a neighborhood school, and not increase traffic by multitudes because APS won’t even adhere to their own guidelines for swing space: centrality. It is irresponsible of APS to fail to consider the implications on neighborhood traffic and long commute times for the families that will use it as a swing space.

Just rezone the area. OK. How?
So NES is full,TES is under-enrolled, and DES is empty and the one targeted for swing space? or so NES is full, DES is full, and JES is identified for closure? or so all the NA schools are full and a bunch of SA kids have to bus farther away from their current schools to help fill them?

Don't you see that multiple under-enrolled schools in the same area = not enough kids in said area to fill them? Of course you do. Which means we can expect that if the situation were reversed, you would propose the same solution of rezoning a multiple-under-enrolled SA area to make them full and you will send your over-crowded NES/DES/JES kids down south to fill them.

Yes, re-zoning is always a simple and popular solution - especially for under-enrolled schools.

They left Drew underenrolled.

[Anonymous]

Why not turn NES into the immersion middle school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this thread. Nottingham families are entitled to an underenrolled walkable neighborhood school in perpetuity. Because the traffic around them is so egregious that their children can’t venture outdoors. It’s the very worst part of Arlington to live in apparently. Who knew the Notties had it so hard?!

Rezone the area - add more students so Nottingham is at capacity. Nobody is insisting Nottingham stays under capacity- what we are advocating for is keeping a neighborhood school as a neighborhood school, and not increase traffic by multitudes because APS won’t even adhere to their own guidelines for swing space: centrality. It is irresponsible of APS to fail to consider the implications on neighborhood traffic and long commute times for the families that will use it as a swing space.

Just rezone the area. OK. How?
So NES is full,TES is under-enrolled, and DES is empty and the one targeted for swing space? or so NES is full, DES is full, and JES is identified for closure? or so all the NA schools are full and a bunch of SA kids have to bus farther away from their current schools to help fill them?

Don't you see that multiple under-enrolled schools in the same area = not enough kids in said area to fill them? Of course you do. Which means we can expect that if the situation were reversed, you would propose the same solution of rezoning a multiple-under-enrolled SA area to make them full and you will send your over-crowded NES/DES/JES kids down south to fill them.

Yes, re-zoning is always a simple and popular solution - especially for under-enrolled schools.

They left Drew underenrolled.

Because they were bullied into making Drew a neighborhood school again, when it shouldn’t have been. It was built to house an option school. Anyway, they are revisiting the boundaries and will fill it. They have no other choice. The neighboring schools need relief and there are new projects planned all over the place in SA that will bring more children. Not the case in the Nottingham zone or any adjacent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

I have not heard that traffic around the new ATS is "fine."

Where in the County, around which schools, have you heard that it IS fine?

I heard it got a lot worse around the McK building after ATS went in.

That doesn't answer the question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

I have not heard that traffic around the new ATS is "fine."

Where in the County, around which schools, have you heard that it IS fine?

I heard it got a lot worse around the McK building after ATS went in.

That doesn't answer the question.

You're just avoiding the issue - what other school has traffic as bad and dangerous as Nottingham? None.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not turn NES into the immersion middle school?

Because it makes no sense to close an under-enrolled school just to make it an even more under-enrolled school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not turn NES into the immersion middle school?

because you have still overcrowded the neighboring schools, still are adding traffic to streets that can't handle it, and still have no swing space.

so this is a pretty terrible idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this thread. Nottingham families are entitled to an underenrolled walkable neighborhood school in perpetuity. Because the traffic around them is so egregious that their children can’t venture outdoors. It’s the very worst part of Arlington to live in apparently. Who knew the Notties had it so hard?!

Rezone the area - add more students so Nottingham is at capacity. Nobody is insisting Nottingham stays under capacity- what we are advocating for is keeping a neighborhood school as a neighborhood school, and not increase traffic by multitudes because APS won’t even adhere to their own guidelines for swing space: centrality. It is irresponsible of APS to fail to consider the implications on neighborhood traffic and long commute times for the families that will use it as a swing space.

How can you possibly rezone and subject MORE children to the treacherous traffic conditions? Don’t you know that there have been numerous fatalities there? Who would want to be rezoned to such a place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

I have not heard that traffic around the new ATS is "fine."

Where in the County, around which schools, have you heard that it IS fine?

I heard it got a lot worse around the McK building after ATS went in.

That doesn't answer the question.

You're just avoiding the issue - what other school has traffic as bad and dangerous as Nottingham? None.

Kenmore - complete mess.
TJ/Fleet - see previous comments in response to your question about pedestrian fatalities.
YOU are the one not answering the question: around which schools in the County have you heard that traffic is fine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not turn NES into the immersion middle school?

because you have still overcrowded the neighboring schools, still are adding traffic to streets that can't handle it, and still have no swing space.

so this is a pretty terrible idea.

There is likely more individual car traffic with an option program than with swing space.
But seriously, these are all non-issues when there's one over-riding answer to this question. Why on earth would you intentionally make the school even more under-used by making it a middle school option program that has maybe 300 students?