APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from this thread. Nottingham families are entitled to an underenrolled walkable neighborhood school in perpetuity. Because the traffic around them is so egregious that their children can’t venture outdoors. It’s the very worst part of Arlington to live in apparently. Who knew the Notties had it so hard?!

Rezone the area - add more students so Nottingham is at capacity. Nobody is insisting Nottingham stays under capacity- what we are advocating for is keeping a neighborhood school as a neighborhood school, and not increase traffic by multitudes because APS won’t even adhere to their own guidelines for swing space: centrality. It is irresponsible of APS to fail to consider the implications on neighborhood traffic and long commute times for the families that will use it as a swing space.

How can you possibly rezone and subject MORE children to the treacherous traffic conditions? Don’t you know that there have been numerous fatalities there? Who would want to be rezoned to such a place?

There’s a big difference between taking a school from 82 pct walking to 100 pct driving vs 82 pct walking to say 70 pct walking with a rezoning. Don’t be obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

I have not heard that traffic around the new ATS is "fine."

Where in the County, around which schools, have you heard that it IS fine?

I heard it got a lot worse around the McK building after ATS went in.

That doesn't answer the question.

You're just avoiding the issue - what other school has traffic as bad and dangerous as Nottingham? None.

Kenmore - complete mess.
TJ/Fleet - see previous comments in response to your question about pedestrian fatalities.
YOU are the one not answering the question: around which schools in the County have you heard that traffic is fine?

How many pedestrian fatalities around Kenmore and TJ in past 10 years? Numbers please, not just vagaries.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

I have not heard that traffic around the new ATS is "fine."

Where in the County, around which schools, have you heard that it IS fine?

I heard it got a lot worse around the McK building after ATS went in.

That doesn't answer the question.

You're just avoiding the issue - what other school has traffic as bad and dangerous as Nottingham? None.

Kenmore - complete mess.
TJ/Fleet - see previous comments in response to your question about pedestrian fatalities.
YOU are the one not answering the question: around which schools in the County have you heard that traffic is fine?

How many pedestrian fatalities around Kenmore and TJ in past 10 years? Numbers please, not just vagaries.

https://www.arlnow.com/2022/08/02/breaking-a-woman-has-died-after-a-hit-and-run-crash-monday-evening/

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https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

Yes, nice try, PPP; but did you really think this would fly with the troll? Even though ten years is the time period troll established, it doesn't count because it wasn't a fatality! Nevermind the comments indicating the ongoing and consistent dangers and citations of close calls. You will have to pull up all the police reports for the past ten years to document all of the pedestrian accidents and fatalities near these two schools; and make sure there are at least 3 fatalities, please. I'm bursting with curiosity to find out what troll will respond (ie, how they will dismiss the comparison or justify the danger level not being the same as NES at all), should you find more accidents and two more deaths.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I notice that Troll didn't respond to the fatality by Jefferson.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I notice that Troll didn't respond to the fatality by Jefferson.

The traffic around Nottingham will be significantly different if it becomes a swing space than if it remains a neighborhood school. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

Yes, unfortunately there are traffic fatalities across the county - and yes, the county and APS should study traffic around all schools, especially - ESPECIALLY! - if their actions result in a significant change in traffic patterns to the surrounding community. Just because you think APS hasn't done it in the past (although indeed they have) doesn't mean they can't do it now. I mean they conducted a traffic study to look into the relocation of the Immersion program! Again, APS is haphazardly applying whatever criteria they deem fits without any rhyme or reason. The community should question their decisions and they should be held accountable for their actions.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I notice that Troll didn't respond to the fatality by Jefferson.

The traffic around Nottingham will be significantly different if it becomes a swing space than if it remains a neighborhood school. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

Yes, unfortunately there are traffic fatalities across the county - and yes, the county and APS should study traffic around all schools, especially - ESPECIALLY! - if their actions result in a significant change in traffic patterns to the surrounding community. Just because you think APS hasn't done it in the past (although indeed they have) doesn't mean they can't do it now. I mean they conducted a traffic study to look into the relocation of the Immersion program! Again, APS is haphazardly applying whatever criteria they deem fits without any rhyme or reason. The community should question their decisions and they should be held accountable for their actions.

People aren't denying this. What they're saying is, it won't be any worse than what other schools already have and have endured for years. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

They did the traffic study for the immersion program because they were proposing to move that specific program to a specific location. They have not YET done it for NES because they do not yet have a specific SCHOOL (not necessarily PROGRAM) to be temporarily (a year or two at a time) moved there.

Yes, it's right to ask the questions. What it comes down to, however, is that APS is basing this recommendation on the fact that NES is an under-enrolled school with a walk zone that overlaps with the walk zones of TWO other schools. That's why it's NES instead of DES or JES.

I am doubtful it will even happen, anyway. By the time APS is projecting for this to happen, enrollment will change or they still won't have a schedule for renovations requiring swing space.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I'll put in some more just in the futile effort of broadening perspectives:

Another report from TJ
https://www.arlnow.com/2015/05/20/teen-struck-by-car-seriously-hurt-near-tj-middle-school/

Oh look! This one cites 3 locations: TJ, Kenmore, and NES!
https://www.arlnow.com/2022/10/19/county-board-wants-swifter-action-after-most-recent-pedestrian-death/

This one shows the history of problems at TJ is long:
http://ahca.info/planning/2001/pedestrian-safety-thomas-jefferson

No pedestrian this time
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/06/27/three-hurt-in-serious-route-50-crash/

Proving there are idiot drivers everywhere
https://patch.com/virginia/arlington-va/man-crashes-car-while-trying-drive-arlington-pedestrian-bridge

and just generally
https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Transportation/Vision-Zero/Maps-and-Safety-Data#section-3
(Note the second bullet, as well as the 2025 list which cites South 2nd Street)
* Corridors that experienced a recent fatal or severe crash or crashes may have ranked below the 98th percentile threshold due to limited instances of severe or visible injuries. That does not mean that these corridors will not receive a thorough safety response. We track and investigate all critical (fatal or severe) crashes throughout the year—which lead to immediate engineering response where possible. We also track and investigate hot spots, which cover specific intersections that experience disproportionate crashes over a five-year period.

* For example, Little Falls Rd, which experienced two fatal crashes during the 2018-2022 period, did not rank in the top 98th percentile. This corridor, though, received a critical crash response. We conducted a thorough assessment along that corridor and added improvements that will continue to be tracked and investigated to ensure they are positively impacting safety on the corridor.
HIN Timeline.JPG

Numerous car crashes up nearish NES in 3-year period 2017-1019 but no pedestrian or cyclist incidents; whereas numerous car incidents as well as cyclists around Kenmore in same time period, and pedestrian and cyclists Pike/Glebe near CC and MPSA
https://arlingtonva.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/19/2020/09/Arlington-County-Crash-Hot-Spot-new-base-map.pdf
https://www.arlingtonva.us/files/sharedassets/public/transportation/documents/2020-vz-hot-spots-program-summary.pdf (see pgs 6-9)

Point is: with the exception of one hot spot up there in the far NW corner, not much activity relative to many other areas in the County, including near schools and APS bus stops/walk routes to bus stops/walk routes

Sorry if the links don't work. I'm sure people know how to copy and paste.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I notice that Troll didn't respond to the fatality by Jefferson.

The traffic around Nottingham will be significantly different if it becomes a swing space than if it remains a neighborhood school. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

Yes, unfortunately there are traffic fatalities across the county - and yes, the county and APS should study traffic around all schools, especially - ESPECIALLY! - if their actions result in a significant change in traffic patterns to the surrounding community. Just because you think APS hasn't done it in the past (although indeed they have) doesn't mean they can't do it now. I mean they conducted a traffic study to look into the relocation of the Immersion program! Again, APS is haphazardly applying whatever criteria they deem fits without any rhyme or reason. The community should question their decisions and they should be held accountable for their actions.

People aren't denying this. What they're saying is, it won't be any worse than what other schools already have and have endured for years. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

They did the traffic study for the immersion program because they were proposing to move that specific program to a specific location. They have not YET done it for NES because they do not yet have a specific SCHOOL (not necessarily PROGRAM) to be temporarily (a year or two at a time) moved there.

Yes, it's right to ask the questions. What it comes down to, however, is that APS is basing this recommendation on the fact that NES is an under-enrolled school with a walk zone that overlaps with the walk zones of TWO other schools. That's why it's NES instead of DES or JES.

Look, I can underline things too!

You’re talking yourself in circles. So, if it’s bad for others somewhere else at their school, it’s ok for it to be bad at other schools? That’s the baseline we are aspiring to? I’m guessing you are one of the posters that thinks it’s ok for schools to be purposely overcrowded because other schools are also overcrowded? (look! More underlines!)

The lack of APS identifying which schools would use Nottingham as a swing is all but irrelevant to the traffic discussion: they will not be walkable so they’ll require significant resources to bus as well as a significant increase in car traffic.

I am doubtful it will even happen, anyway. By the time APS is projecting for this to happen, enrollment will change or they still won't have a schedule for renovations requiring swing space.

Perhaps. And then they will have closed the school for literally no reason. The worst outcome of all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I notice that Troll didn't respond to the fatality by Jefferson.

The traffic around Nottingham will be significantly different if it becomes a swing space than if it remains a neighborhood school. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

Yes, unfortunately there are traffic fatalities across the county - and yes, the county and APS should study traffic around all schools, especially - ESPECIALLY! - if their actions result in a significant change in traffic patterns to the surrounding community. Just because you think APS hasn't done it in the past (although indeed they have) doesn't mean they can't do it now. I mean they conducted a traffic study to look into the relocation of the Immersion program! Again, APS is haphazardly applying whatever criteria they deem fits without any rhyme or reason. The community should question their decisions and they should be held accountable for their actions.

People aren't denying this. What they're saying is, it won't be any worse than what other schools already have and have endured for years. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

They did the traffic study for the immersion program because they were proposing to move that specific program to a specific location. They have not YET done it for NES because they do not yet have a specific SCHOOL (not necessarily PROGRAM) to be temporarily (a year or two at a time) moved there.

Yes, it's right to ask the questions. What it comes down to, however, is that APS is basing this recommendation on the fact that NES is an under-enrolled school with a walk zone that overlaps with the walk zones of TWO other schools. That's why it's NES instead of DES or JES.

Look, I can underline things too!

You’re talking yourself in circles. So, if it’s bad for others somewhere else at their school, it’s ok for it to be bad at other schools? That’s the baseline we are aspiring to? I’m guessing you are one of the posters that thinks it’s ok for schools to be purposely overcrowded because other schools are also overcrowded? (look! More underlines!)

The lack of APS identifying which schools would use Nottingham as a swing is all but irrelevant to the traffic discussion: they will not be walkable so they’ll require significant resources to bus as well as a significant increase in car traffic.

I am doubtful it will even happen, anyway. By the time APS is projecting for this to happen, enrollment will change or they still won't have a schedule for renovations requiring swing space.

Perhaps. And then they will have closed the school for literally no reason. The worst outcome of all.

No, they aren't going to close the school if they aren't going to use it. If Facilities doesn't get its list and schedule and plans together in time to get projects into the CIP, everything about closing Nottingham will be delayed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I notice that Troll didn't respond to the fatality by Jefferson.

The traffic around Nottingham will be significantly different if it becomes a swing space than if it remains a neighborhood school. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

Yes, unfortunately there are traffic fatalities across the county - and yes, the county and APS should study traffic around all schools, especially - ESPECIALLY! - if their actions result in a significant change in traffic patterns to the surrounding community. Just because you think APS hasn't done it in the past (although indeed they have) doesn't mean they can't do it now. I mean they conducted a traffic study to look into the relocation of the Immersion program! Again, APS is haphazardly applying whatever criteria they deem fits without any rhyme or reason. The community should question their decisions and they should be held accountable for their actions.

People aren't denying this. What they're saying is, it won't be any worse than what other schools already have and have endured for years. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

They did the traffic study for the immersion program because they were proposing to move that specific program to a specific location. They have not YET done it for NES because they do not yet have a specific SCHOOL (not necessarily PROGRAM) to be temporarily (a year or two at a time) moved there.

Yes, it's right to ask the questions. What it comes down to, however, is that APS is basing this recommendation on the fact that NES is an under-enrolled school with a walk zone that overlaps with the walk zones of TWO other schools. That's why it's NES instead of DES or JES.

Look, I can underline things too!

You’re talking yourself in circles. So, if it’s bad for others somewhere else at their school, it’s ok for it to be bad at other schools? That’s the baseline we are aspiring to? I’m guessing you are one of the posters that thinks it’s ok for schools to be purposely overcrowded because other schools are also overcrowded? (look! More underlines!)

The lack of APS identifying which schools would use Nottingham as a swing is all but irrelevant to the traffic discussion: they will not be walkable so they’ll require significant resources to bus as well as a significant increase in car traffic.

I am doubtful it will even happen, anyway. By the time APS is projecting for this to happen, enrollment will change or they still won't have a schedule for renovations requiring swing space.

Perhaps. And then they will have closed the school for literally no reason. The worst outcome of all.

No, they aren't going to close the school if they aren't going to use it. If Facilities doesn't get its list and schedule and plans together in time to get projects into the CIP, everything about closing Nottingham will be delayed.

I’m sorry you believe that. The most likely outcome at this point is the school will be closed for several years before it’ll be needed as a swing space. They’d have to begin planning the new construction now and they aren’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I notice that Troll didn't respond to the fatality by Jefferson.

The traffic around Nottingham will be significantly different if it becomes a swing space than if it remains a neighborhood school. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

Yes, unfortunately there are traffic fatalities across the county - and yes, the county and APS should study traffic around all schools, especially - ESPECIALLY! - if their actions result in a significant change in traffic patterns to the surrounding community. Just because you think APS hasn't done it in the past (although indeed they have) doesn't mean they can't do it now. I mean they conducted a traffic study to look into the relocation of the Immersion program! Again, APS is haphazardly applying whatever criteria they deem fits without any rhyme or reason. The community should question their decisions and they should be held accountable for their actions.

People aren't denying this. What they're saying is, it won't be any worse than what other schools already have and have endured for years. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

They did the traffic study for the immersion program because they were proposing to move that specific program to a specific location. They have not YET done it for NES because they do not yet have a specific SCHOOL (not necessarily PROGRAM) to be temporarily (a year or two at a time) moved there.

Yes, it's right to ask the questions. What it comes down to, however, is that APS is basing this recommendation on the fact that NES is an under-enrolled school with a walk zone that overlaps with the walk zones of TWO other schools. That's why it's NES instead of DES or JES.

Look, I can underline things too!

You’re talking yourself in circles. So, if it’s bad for others somewhere else at their school, it’s ok for it to be bad at other schools? That’s the baseline we are aspiring to? I’m guessing you are one of the posters that thinks it’s ok for schools to be purposely overcrowded because other schools are also overcrowded? (look! More underlines!)

The lack of APS identifying which schools would use Nottingham as a swing is all but irrelevant to the traffic discussion: they will not be walkable so they’ll require significant resources to bus as well as a significant increase in car traffic.

I am doubtful it will even happen, anyway. By the time APS is projecting for this to happen, enrollment will change or they still won't have a schedule for renovations requiring swing space.

Perhaps. And then they will have closed the school for literally no reason. The worst outcome of all.

I was initially against using NES as swing space, but am now in favor. Mostly because you’re so obnoxious. Seriously, who has the time to comment so often on DCUM?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.arlnow.com/2013/01/23/critical-pedestrian-accident-near-kenmore-middle-school/

Any pedestrian accident is one too many, but citing one incident from 10 years ago is hardly comparable.

I notice that Troll didn't respond to the fatality by Jefferson.

The traffic around Nottingham will be significantly different if it becomes a swing space than if it remains a neighborhood school. How is that so difficult to comprehend?

Yes, unfortunately there are traffic fatalities across the county - and yes, the county and APS should study traffic around all schools, especially - ESPECIALLY! - if their actions result in a significant change in traffic patterns to the surrounding community. Just because you think APS hasn't done it in the past (although indeed they have) doesn't mean they can't do it now. I mean they conducted a traffic study to look into the relocation of the Immersion program! Again, APS is haphazardly applying whatever criteria they deem fits without any rhyme or reason. The community should question their decisions and they should be held accountable for their actions.

People aren't denying this. What they're saying is, it won't be any worse than what other schools already have and have endured for years. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

They did the traffic study for the immersion program because they were proposing to move that specific program to a specific location. They have not YET done it for NES because they do not yet have a specific SCHOOL (not necessarily PROGRAM) to be temporarily (a year or two at a time) moved there.

Yes, it's right to ask the questions. What it comes down to, however, is that APS is basing this recommendation on the fact that NES is an under-enrolled school with a walk zone that overlaps with the walk zones of TWO other schools. That's why it's NES instead of DES or JES.

Look, I can underline things too!

You’re talking yourself in circles. So, if it’s bad for others somewhere else at their school, it’s ok for it to be bad at other schools? That’s the baseline we are aspiring to? I’m guessing you are one of the posters that thinks it’s ok for schools to be purposely overcrowded because other schools are also overcrowded? (look! More underlines!)

The lack of APS identifying which schools would use Nottingham as a swing is all but irrelevant to the traffic discussion: they will not be walkable so they’ll require significant resources to bus as well as a significant increase in car traffic.

I am doubtful it will even happen, anyway. By the time APS is projecting for this to happen, enrollment will change or they still won't have a schedule for renovations requiring swing space.

Perhaps. And then they will have closed the school for literally no reason. The worst outcome of all.

I was initially against using NES as swing space, but am now in favor. Mostly because you’re so obnoxious. Seriously, who has the time to comment so often on DCUM?

Great way to make decisions