APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:(Nottingham) Karens gonna Karen.

Yep that’s the great thing about McKinley! It’s completely devoid of Karens!

They have McCrazies instead

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Can this thread just die?

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Anonymous wrote:Can this thread just die?

Just like Nottingham RIP

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

You avoided the question. Is there any other elementary school in APS with such a horrendous traffic fatality record?

There have been multiple fatalities near TJ/Fleet over the same length of time period. A second intersection a few blocks away was cited years ago as one of the most dangerous in Arlington. I don't recall the specific details and I am not going to research it.

It’s not very helpful if you can’t provide numbers or location

You research it.
You won't be satisfied with any answer given to you anyway. Your only objective and mission is to put down everyone else's opinions and perspectives; point out why they're wrong, irrelevant, or not comparable; and "prove" your NES situation is so much more dire than anything else anyone else has/is/will face.

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Anonymous wrote:(Nottingham) Karens gonna Karen.

Since we are so awful, the rest of you should support keeping Nottingham as-is, so we don’t invade your perfect utopias.

It’s like you want us all up in your idyllic, drama-free PTAs.

Nah, I’m in SA. No risk of Nottingham Karens infiltrating our communities.

I’m all for using your precious school as a swing space! And if you do happen to experience a little bit of overcrowding… Well, join the club, sweetheart!

You sound really clueless.Nottingham was overcrowded long before you were.

But you're not anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

You avoided the question. Is there any other elementary school in APS with such a horrendous traffic fatality record?

There have been multiple fatalities near TJ/Fleet over the same length of time period. A second intersection a few blocks away was cited years ago as one of the most dangerous in Arlington. I don't recall the specific details and I am not going to research it.

It’s not very helpful if you can’t provide numbers or location

You research it.
You won't be satisfied with any answer given to you anyway. Your only objective and mission is to put down everyone else's opinions and perspectives; point out why they're wrong, irrelevant, or not comparable; and "prove" your NES situation is so much more dire than anything else anyone else has/is/will face.

So I take that as you can't back up your assertion.

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Anonymous wrote:(Nottingham) Karens gonna Karen.

Since we are so awful, the rest of you should support keeping Nottingham as-is, so we don’t invade your perfect utopias.

It’s like you want us all up in your idyllic, drama-free PTAs.

Nah, I’m in SA. No risk of Nottingham Karens infiltrating our communities.

I’m all for using your precious school as a swing space! And if you do happen to experience a little bit of overcrowding… Well, join the club, sweetheart!

You sound really clueless.Nottingham was overcrowded long before you were.

But you're not anymore.

Correct but some of us remember what it was like and don't want to go back to that - either the dangerous levels of traffic around the school, or our kids moved to Tuckahoe which will be overcrowded.

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Wow, I'm glad my boys have cleared Nottingham. While majorly overcrowded for a period of time in the 2010s, it was a very nice neighborhood school. Good luck to all involved having to deal with APS/School Board, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Can this thread just die?

Just like Nottingham RIP

Lolz

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this thread keeps going forever. These Nottingham Karens are unhinged. 😂

IKR. All their rich neighbors went private and now they have a small neighborhood school and want to keep it. Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this thread keeps going forever. These Nottingham Karens are unhinged. 😂

IKR. All their rich neighbors went private and now they have a small neighborhood school and want to keep it. Sad.

If they want a small neighborhood school, they can move to the Midwest?

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My takeaway from this thread. Nottingham families are entitled to an underenrolled walkable neighborhood school in perpetuity. Because the traffic around them is so egregious that their children can’t venture outdoors. It’s the very worst part of Arlington to live in apparently. Who knew the Notties had it so hard?!

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Anonymous wrote:Can this thread just die?

Now we know who the crazy APS posters are.

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Anonymous wrote:^^Right!! You're not even celebrating much needed renovations or whatever specious reasons have been created for a swing space. You just like the fact that Nottingham is targeted to be closed and a bunch of "privileged parents" (a lot of whom get the privilege of spending half their take home income on a mortgage to live close to where they work and have access to good schools and no, can't just afford private) are forced to deal with adversity. As though this is the only thing in our otherwise vapid petty lives that is hard. PP is right, you are insufferable and not very nice.

Different poster - I’m not a Nottingham parent, but I live in North Arlington and have elementary age kids who were impacted by the pandemic. I am not gleefully celebrating what the Nottingham community will go through, but I also don’t think it is such an injustice to have the move impact a school where the vast majority of kids have the resources to deal with it.

Have you ever been south of Rt 50? If the question is not if this is needed, but who will be impacted, then I think it’s reasonable to make the assumption that parents who can manage matching t-shirts and talking points for school board meetings can also manage car pools for a new school location. Our school has a sizable number of families where the adults don’t speak English fluently and rely on public transportation.

As a fellow privileged N Arlington parents, your self-centered rant is valid and petty. My kids have lost friends to boundary changes. Some neighbors switched high schools. Other neighbors had their school taken away and had to start taking a bus instead of walking 2 blocks. Most of us dealt with it just fine and without drama. Now it’s your turn.

Thanks for posting fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent! As a fellow North Arlington but not Nottingham parent, how will you feel when your elementary school is now overcrowded or at capacity because of this change? And at capacity based on APS assumptions which, if just slightly off, would result in significant overcrowding instead?

How’s that increased traffic on the major streets in the neighborhood?

I as a Nottingham parent don’t care about going to a different school if it wasn’t for the fact that we were purposely sent to an overcrowded school. I can deal with a bus or a slightly longer walk. That’s not what this is about. This is about traffic issues that have not been studied or even contemplated. And purposely overcrowding neighborhood schools.

I’m going to guess you are a Jamestown parent because somehow they seem totally insulated from this process while the rest of Zone 1 is affected.

Nope! Ashlawn parent. And we were over crowded pre-pandemic! And traffic did drastically increase because of the ATS parents driving to the old McKinley bldg. And it is / was fine!!! You will survive!

Thanks for your flippancy, but three of my neighbors actually did not survive.