Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

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Anonymous wrote:here is a link to an image that shows what the typcial morning commute for fallsgrove to new school would be

https://ibb.co/kQwqF6


if you think thats reasonable, i dont know what else to tell you.

Do you have a snapshot of the current commute for RP5?

Still waiting...

rather than waiting, why dont you just plug in the information into google maps yourself?

I compared the two routes several days ago on Google maps. The difference in commute is two minutes. The worst part of the traffic is the same, no matter if you go to Ritchie Park to RMES5.

It was meant to read: I compared the two routes several days ago on Google maps. The difference in commute is two minutes. The worst part of the traffic is the same, no matter if you go to Ritchie Park or RMES5.

the difference is not 2 minutes in rush hour commute, i guarantee you this.

either way, if you're in the area, i encourage you to drive that route and tell me if you think if its reasonable for a kid to have to go that far to elementary school.

There are kids who already have longer commutes. It's doable.

Post the times from start to finish.

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DP.. it is relevant. The point is that people shouldn't have a LONGER commute than they already do. So, if being rezoned increases commute time for ANY of the Beall zones, then yes, it's a bad plan. Is this the case?

FYI, B7 is going to have a LONGER commute in all alternative.

How many of you now want to write letter to BOE for not making B7 commute longer?

No one believes B7 will have a longer commute. Even B7

Stop trolling. I live in B7 and drove to both schools. RM#5 is 3-4 minutes longer due to road connections.

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Fallsgrove card is being over played by RP parents. Saying that you don't want couple of minutes of extra commute, when other zones will have extra also, won't hold much water

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Anonymous wrote:There is no one that has a longer commute and the ones you are pulling and finding get there earlier and will also be changing as they move closer to RM5. So irrelevant.

Kids have been doing that commute for years. If others did it without whining, it's doable.

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Where is this purpoted report that shows bus times for the new boundaries that people keep referencing?

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Anonymous wrote:Post the times from start to finish.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current bus times for kids in Ritchie Park. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:18
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02227bus.pdf
Here are the current bus times for kids in Beall. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:09
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02207bus.pdf

Let people who have worse commute whine.

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Anonymous wrote:You are doing a very selective read of this *one* research study (which, btw is advocating for economically integrated neighborhoods, NOT busing as a solution). The very same research study makes clear that "this study does not suggest that 35 percent school poverty is a tipping point, after which low-income students no longer benefit from socioeconomic integration. We cannot know from this study, for example, how students in 35 percent to 60 percent low-income schools perform compared with students in 60 percent to 100 percent low-income schools" - pg. 21

ALSO, the study says " if low-income students benefit most from positive peer models in economically integrated schools, research indicates that those effects might be greater at secondary rather than at primary grade levels." - pg. 35 - who has the outcomes for these students at JW and RM? Surely there are some statistics on that.

ALSO - since when did this boundary study become a referendum on school performance outcomes??? That is definitely NOT one of the FAA-RA criteria.

Do you know of any research that we can look at saying that walkable areas bused to a low-FARMS school don't do that well because they could have walked?

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Anonymous wrote:Post the times from start to finish.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current bus times for kids in Ritchie Park. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:18
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02227bus.pdf
Here are the current bus times for kids in Beall. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:09
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02207bus.pdf

Let people who have worse commute whine.

Because Beall busses drop off early and go to immediately go pick up CG students at bus stops. This has been mentioned before. Also, those bus stops are going away with the new school. All those areas are going closer. None are staying the same or getting longer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Post the times from start to finish.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current bus times for kids in Ritchie Park. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:18
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02227bus.pdf
Here are the current bus times for kids in Beall. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:09
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02207bus.pdf

Let people who have worse commute whine.

Because Beall busses drop off early and go to immediately go pick up CG students at bus stops. This has been mentioned before. Also, those bus stops are going away with the new school. All those areas are going closer. None are staying the same or getting longer.

That demonstrates that you didn't even look. Just because that long route will not be available next year, it doesn't mean that it's not doable. Kids have been doing it, so it's doable.

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Anonymous wrote:Fallsgrove card is being over played by RP parents. Saying that you don't want couple of minutes of extra commute, when other zones will have extra also, won't hold much water

I am not an RP parent but I am advocating here for them because it is sad to think people are dismissing them because they are so far off anyway. That is even more the reason the leave them be. If you can't bus them closer or make them a part of CG community, let them stay at their already crappy long drive than make them go longer. Why should they go longer, B5 go longer, a walkable neighborhood get bussed, and B8 gets put on an island? Not enough GARMS difference for all that to be with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Post the times from start to finish.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current bus times for kids in Ritchie Park. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:18
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02227bus.pdf
Here are the current bus times for kids in Beall. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:09
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02207bus.pdf

Let people who have worse commute whine.

Because Beall busses drop off early and go to immediately go pick up CG students at bus stops. This has been mentioned before. Also, those bus stops are going away with the new school. All those areas are going closer. None are staying the same or getting longer.

That demonstrates that you didn't even look. Just because that long route will not be available next year, it doesn't mean that it's not doable. Kids have been doing it, so it's doable.

No it doesn't. What other options did Beall students have? NONE. Did they know the new school would help? YES
FG had other schools they could have gone to closer. Way lower in capacity than RP. But they can't get over out of RM cluster. Not one option ,over them to CG because 150-180 kids would have had to been moved out of CG to make that happen they aren't bitching about either of those. They just don't want an already longer commute.

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Anonymous wrote:Fallsgrove card is being over played by RP parents. Saying that you don't want couple of minutes of extra commute, when other zones will have extra also, won't hold much water

I am not an RP parent but I am advocating here for them because it is sad to think people are dismissing them because they are so far off anyway. That is even more the reason the leave them be. If you can't bus them closer or make them a part of CG community, let them stay at their already crappy long drive than make them go longer. Why should they go longer, B5 go longer, a walkable neighborhood get bussed, and B8 gets put on an island? Not enough GARMS difference for all that to be with it.

Actually science says that 8% is big difference in FARMS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Post the times from start to finish.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current bus times for kids in Ritchie Park. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:18
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02227bus.pdf
Here are the current bus times for kids in Beall. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:09
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02207bus.pdf

Let people who have worse commute whine.

Because Beall busses drop off early and go to immediately go pick up CG students at bus stops. This has been mentioned before. Also, those bus stops are going away with the new school. All those areas are going closer. None are staying the same or getting longer.

That demonstrates that you didn't even look. Just because that long route will not be available next year, it doesn't mean that it's not doable. Kids have been doing it, so it's doable.

No it doesn't. What other options did Beall students have? NONE. Did they know the new school would help? YES
FG had other schools they could have gone to closer. Way lower in capacity than RP. But they can't get over out of RM cluster. Not one option ,over them to CG because 150-180 kids would have had to been moved out of CG to make that happen they aren't bitching about either of those. They just don't want an already longer commute.

Beall students proved that a long commute is doable. With or without other options, kids have been on long commutes. This is what makes it doable. I agree, RP 5 should have been assigned at CG or Beall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Post the times from start to finish.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current bus times for kids in Ritchie Park. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:18
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02227bus.pdf
Here are the current bus times for kids in Beall. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:09
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02207bus.pdf

Let people who have worse commute whine.

Because Beall busses drop off early and go to immediately go pick up CG students at bus stops. This has been mentioned before. Also, those bus stops are going away with the new school. All those areas are going closer. None are staying the same or getting longer.

That demonstrates that you didn't even look. Just because that long route will not be available next year, it doesn't mean that it's not doable. Kids have been doing it, so it's doable.

No it doesn't. What other options did Beall students have? NONE. Did they know the new school would help? YES
FG had other schools they could have gone to closer. Way lower in capacity than RP. But they can't get over out of RM cluster. Not one option ,over them to CG because 150-180 kids would have had to been moved out of CG to make that happen they aren't bitching about either of those. They just don't want an already longer commute.

Beall students proved that a long commute is doable. With or without other options, kids have been on long commutes. This is what makes it doable. I agree, RP 5 should have been assigned at CG or Beall.

DP.. of course it's doable, the point is that they shouldn't have to be rezoned for a longer commute, including Beall students. It goes against one of the four factors, and most parents don't want their kids to be on a bus longer than they need to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Post the times from start to finish.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current bus times for kids in Ritchie Park. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:18
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02227bus.pdf
Here are the current bus times for kids in Beall. Notice that the earliest bus starts to pick up children at 8:09
http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/transportation/busroutes/02207bus.pdf

Let people who have worse commute whine.

Because Beall busses drop off early and go to immediately go pick up CG students at bus stops. This has been mentioned before. Also, those bus stops are going away with the new school. All those areas are going closer. None are staying the same or getting longer.

That demonstrates that you didn't even look. Just because that long route will not be available next year, it doesn't mean that it's not doable. Kids have been doing it, so it's doable.

No it doesn't. What other options did Beall students have? NONE. Did they know the new school would help? YES
FG had other schools they could have gone to closer. Way lower in capacity than RP. But they can't get over out of RM cluster. Not one option ,over them to CG because 150-180 kids would have had to been moved out of CG to make that happen they aren't bitching about either of those. They just don't want an already longer commute.

Beall students proved that a long commute is doable. With or without other options, kids have been on long commutes. This is what makes it doable. I agree, RP 5 should have been assigned at CG or Beall.

DP.. of course it's doable, the point is that they shouldn't have to be rezoned for a longer commute, including Beall students. It goes against one of the four factors, and most parents don't want their kids to be on a bus longer than they need to.

Thank you for agreeing that it is doable. I also agree that it is not ideal.