APS Closing Nottingham

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Oh the drama. My kids walk those “dangerous” nearby streets now. Every day. Spare me.

Well then I'm glad they have been ok and hope they will continue to be so. I knew one of the people who died personally, my kids were with hers for years after she died, and I saw some really scary near misses around Nottingham where kids came way too close to being hit by cars.

It's concerning to me that you as a parent are so flippant about this.

All of that, while tragic, sounds like years ago. Because the Nottingham mother died long, long before the recent changes. And has nothing to do with pedestrian traffic at the school. The other pedestrian deaths were not school kids or parents and also predate the traffic changes. Seems strange to be saying how dangerous it is with all those new stop signs and traffic calming.

This was debated ad nauseum upthread. You are correct that the most recent death was not Nottingham related- it happened early on a weekend morning when there was hardly any traffic on the road. The road is just that deadly - the sight lines are just that terrible. And yes there is traffic calming now in the worst stretch of it (only), and cars still whip through. I walk the road daily and don’t trust that all cars will stop. Sycamore St is also also terrible and likely to get more traffic both walking and cars from this proposal.

Perhaps you should consider moving to a safer, gated community.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this thread keeps going forever. These Nottingham Karens are unhinged. 😂

Be specific, please. Tell me how and where you’re seeing these unhinged parents? What or the things that they’re actually saying do you consider unhinged. I’m honestly wondering.

Bring receipts, with quotes please. Don’t just default to the Nottingham boogey man everyone here is hating on, but whom I have yet to see in any of these posts.

It’s you. Hi. You’re the problem. It’s you.

You are somebody that I don't know
But you're taking shots at me like it's Patrón
And I'm just like "Damn, it's 7:00 a.m."
Say it in the street, that's a knock-out
But you say it in a Tweet, that's a cop-out
And I'm just like, "Hey, are you okay?"

This one wins. So good.

Guys, stop feeding the Nottingham sock puppets.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

You avoided the question. Is there any other elementary school in APS with such a horrendous traffic fatality record?

There have been multiple fatalities near TJ/Fleet over the same length of time period. A second intersection a few blocks away was cited years ago as one of the most dangerous in Arlington. I don't recall the specific details and I am not going to research it.

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140 pages of complaints is unhinged. There’s your evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this thread keeps going forever. These Nottingham Karens are unhinged. 😂

Be specific, please. Tell me how and where you’re seeing these unhinged parents? What or the things that they’re actually saying do you consider unhinged. I’m honestly wondering.

Bring receipts, with quotes please. Don’t just default to the Nottingham boogey man everyone here is hating on, but whom I have yet to see in any of these posts.

+1. I’m still waiting for the PP who was upset with the “phrasing” and tone of the questions being asked to APS by Nottingham parents to tell us what and how they’d engage with APS if this was their school. What questions would they be asking? How would they try to get answers? Surely they wouldn’t just accept it like they expect us to.

That person never said you shouldn't ask questions and has explained that it isn't about the questions, but about how you ask them. As in your tone, insinuations, accusations, and self-focused interests with no regard for others' perspectives or how things impact other people than you.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this thread keeps going forever. These Nottingham Karens are unhinged. 😂

Be specific, please. Tell me how and where you’re seeing these unhinged parents? What or the things that they’re actually saying do you consider unhinged. I’m honestly wondering.

Bring receipts, with quotes please. Don’t just default to the Nottingham boogey man everyone here is hating on, but whom I have yet to see in any of these posts.

DP. If you are having trouble following then maybe you should go back and re-read the 100+ pages to catch up.

+1!

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone pick on the poor Nottingham community? It’s not like they’ve ever exaggerated the impact of a proposal before. Or taken glee in another community’s misfortune. Or been utterly clueless about where they fit into the APS community try and how others might have vastly different circumstances. They are model citizens. Why does everyone bully them so!

Yes, why don't they want to be rezoned into overcrowded schools? Or have traffic in their neighborhood skyrocket! Why, oh why, do they not?

You're still fighting fights from a decade ago. Give it a rest. These aren't the same people. Even if it was, so what? You're treating this closure like its reparations for a previous generation of Nottingham families.

Different people, same narcissism and MO.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this thread keeps going forever. These Nottingham Karens are unhinged. 😂

Be specific, please. Tell me how and where you’re seeing these unhinged parents? What or the things that they’re actually saying do you consider unhinged. I’m honestly wondering.

Bring receipts, with quotes please. Don’t just default to the Nottingham boogey man everyone here is hating on, but whom I have yet to see in any of these posts.

+1. I’m still waiting for the PP who was upset with the “phrasing” and tone of the questions being asked to APS by Nottingham parents to tell us what and how they’d engage with APS if this was their school. What questions would they be asking? How would they try to get answers? Surely they wouldn’t just accept it like they expect us to.

That person never said you shouldn't ask questions and has explained that it isn't about the questions, but about how you ask them. As in your tone, insinuations, accusations, and self-focused interests with no regard for others' perspectives or how things impact other people than you.

Please tell me what questions you would ask and what tone would you ask them?

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Anonymous wrote:140 pages of complaints is unhinged. There’s your evidence.

Eh, about 120 pages of it is people bashing Nottingham or Duran or AES.

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(Nottingham) Karens gonna Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:(Nottingham) Karens gonna Karen.

Yep that’s the great thing about McKinley! It’s completely devoid of Karens!

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Anonymous wrote:(Nottingham) Karens gonna Karen.

Since we are so awful, the rest of you should support keeping Nottingham as-is, so we don’t invade your perfect utopias.

It’s like you want us all up in your idyllic, drama-free PTAs.

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Anonymous wrote:(Nottingham) Karens gonna Karen.

Since we are so awful, the rest of you should support keeping Nottingham as-is, so we don’t invade your perfect utopias.

It’s like you want us all up in your idyllic, drama-free PTAs.

Nah, I’m in SA. No risk of Nottingham Karens infiltrating our communities.

I’m all for using your precious school as a swing space! And if you do happen to experience a little bit of overcrowding… Well, join the club, sweetheart!

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we're clear, y'all are not the same people who tell Nottingham parents to get over it because the APS administration only asks for things that make sense and for the good of the larger community right? 😂

Literally no one said that.

Dozens of people said that. “Closing Nottingham is good for the community, proposal makes sense to me, suck it up.” I doubt each poster performed their own individual analysis.

People said this proposal makes sense given what we know, not that every proposal makes sense. See the difference?

“What we know” lol. We know nothing. Seriously, APS Planning talks a big game but they “know” so little and have no plans to make up that knowledge gap. We spend a lot of money to be overcrowding classrooms and shutting down schools within a decade of opening two new ones without even asking if the people in charge have ANY competence whatsoever.

You make not like what is known, but we know a lot. Did you attend or watch the APS PreCip table sessions July 31? Data from 3-4 plans or teams provided, including joint county. There are also references to guidance mandated by past CIPs, which involved lots of work. I'm not APS staff but I am so so tired of out-of-touch parents or residents who para hire into these debates across the county and assert nobody knows anything. Almost every single issue has been debated and mulled for years in this county. Swing space goes back at least a decade as the county mulled the VHC swap on Carlin Springs (which county decided to use for mental health and not APS.) the mandate to find swing space came out of last CIP. You probably don't know any of this (nor care) but please know other residents like me find your claims of "nobody knows anything). Advocate for your self interest all you want, but don't waste our time with straw man deflection.

Well said!

Yeah I'm not sure I'd use the table session as an example of providing transparent, accurate data or a cohesive message. They barely answered any questions, mostly deflecting what they didn't want to or couldn't answer. Honestly, it was a waste of everyone's time and a perfect example of what we are dealing with at APS.

+1. Sorry APS planners. It’s one thing to say “we need swing space” in a vacuum - quite another to say we need to close a thriving elementary school to do it. You think you’re being cute and we can’t see past the spoon-feeding of BS.

Thriving elementary school. Now that's cute.

Yeah I came here to make the same comment re the above overblown "thriving elementary school" statement. Nottingham is not thriving -- a thriving school would not be on the chopping block like this. You've got fewer than 400 kids and you fled to private and many aren't coming back. Go talk to your neighbors and bring them back into the fold or get ready to swing, baby.

Very flippant and dismissive and oddly vindictive. 380 kids relying on a public school would be okay to screw over because of other kids who don't go to the school?

The kids aren't getting screwed. It's the parents. If any kid-screwing is happening, it's by the parents who are more intent on proclaiming entitlements and fighting changes THEY don't want rather than preparing and supporting their children for transitions and change.

umm, the kids are the ones who will be walking to further away schools on dangerous streets that will now have a lot more traffic.

Yes. Um, like lots of other kids elsewhere in the County.

Is there another Arlington elementary school where three pedestrians died within 2 blocks in recent years? Sincere question. If so, that should certainly be addressed too.

Sincere question. Hasn’t there been a ton of traffic remediation since the “recent” traffic deaths that occurred during the pandemic. Like two different stop signs on Little Falls and one way traffic touting around the school. A lot more than Fleet got and there’s a ton more traffic there. Remediation seems to be working!

You avoided the question. Is there any other elementary school in APS with such a horrendous traffic fatality record?

There have been multiple fatalities near TJ/Fleet over the same length of time period. A second intersection a few blocks away was cited years ago as one of the most dangerous in Arlington. I don't recall the specific details and I am not going to research it.

It’s not very helpful if you can’t provide numbers or location

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Anonymous wrote:(Nottingham) Karens gonna Karen.

Since we are so awful, the rest of you should support keeping Nottingham as-is, so we don’t invade your perfect utopias.

It’s like you want us all up in your idyllic, drama-free PTAs.

Nah, I’m in SA. No risk of Nottingham Karens infiltrating our communities.

I’m all for using your precious school as a swing space! And if you do happen to experience a little bit of overcrowding… Well, join the club, sweetheart!

You sound really clueless.Nottingham was overcrowded long before you were.