Skinny is the new moral/hard working and all other kind of superiority?

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Anonymous wrote:87% of obese people experienced trauma

Eating too much is traumatic

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

Child abuse and Medical issues is not a moral failing

Amazing chair engineering

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Anonymous wrote:No we can't agree. I think more of you need an English muffin, maybe you can be nice again.

- not English Muffin Trainer

+1 LOL at the people tearing down a fit woman who enjoys the occasional indulgence. As if English muffins are the only thing she eats.

You are not that bright? We are tearing down her sense of moral superiority and detachment from reality that what she does is an option to everyone!

2/3 of people are over weight. Sure add trauma in there. But food and eating is a cheap and easy coping mechanism for just about any adversary; stress, anxiety, depression, grief...things we all need experience at some point to different degrees. People have to find ways to cope with their lives that isn’t food/over-eating

Or alcohol, or abuse, or workaholism, or bullying, or any number of things that people do to cope with the stressors of life.

What easily accessible things would you suggest to overcome these things, especially for lower income people? For instance, I'm not a low income person, but I do have a lower paying job specifically because it comes with excellent health insurance. Still, I can't address the mental health needs of my family without going out of network for services. What are other people supposed to do?

Exercise. But I know. It is “hard.” Easier to eat

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I stay skinny by being mindful of my weight, food and exercise.

Being fat or thin is in our hands and it is our choice.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

Child abuse and Medical issues is not a moral failing

Amazing chair engineering

What kind of jack-a took this picture and put it on the internet?

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Anonymous wrote:What do you think when you see this?

Childhood abuse .. high cortisol issues

laziness plus poor mental health.

Wow, you guys very succinct made OP’s point for her. Well done.

Child abuse and Medical issues is not a moral failing

Amazing chair engineering

What kind of jack-a took this picture and put it on the internet?

Chair company

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Anonymous wrote:I stay skinny by being mindful of my weight, food and exercise.

Being fat or thin is in our hands and it is our choice.

And that proves my point. How superior to those that do not stay skinny you feel....

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

If you don't live in a food desert, you can choose not to eat at McDonalds. And if you do eat at McDonalds you can choose not to supersize your meal (originally an adult portion was the current kids meal portion today). Not a single person is under any illusion that it's healthy. As PPs noted, takes less time and money to make a bowl of oatmeal or a sandwich and grab a piece of fruit.

But do you really believe it’s that simple? I agree that what you’re saying is the healthier choice, but if it’s all just about choices and there isn’t some deeper societal issue going on, why are some societies healthier than others?

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The deeper social issue is that over time, people have become completely disconnected from their food. And they have become lazy. Very few people grow their own food. That takes discipline and a whole lot of hard, physical work. Making a bowl of oatmeal requires more work than grabbing a burger from McDonald’s on he way home. Going to the grocery store requires planning and effort. Calling Door Dash is easy.

Most people don’t hunt or fish. They don’t farm. They don’t have chickens or cows. The art of cooking a family meal is dying. Kids are over scheduled. Parents are working long hours in sedentary jobs. You don’t even have to get off your ass to change the television channel anymore. You could literally run your life from a recliner. The only solution is a complete shift. And that requires effort.

I’m overweight (not obese) and I’m working on it. I don’t know what you’d call my day, but it’s certainly not lazy. I make bad calls on food when I’m tired or stressed. It happens a lot.

It’s honestly easier not to eat at all than make a healthy choice. Loose IF has helped me lose a few pounds. Any psychologist will tell you that humans have limited amounts of willpower.

But then again, if I were in the exclusive 30% who are a healthy weight, I’d be proud of that. But it’s sad you have to be mean about it.

I’m not mean. I’m honest. That’s why I make a lot of money as a trainer. People don’t pay me to be nice. They pay me for results. Sometimes that means accepting that your behaviors created your situation. This is true in all areas of life. Not just fitness.

None of us are paying you lady. You're just being mean for free here.

Where’s the lie in what she’s saying?

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Anonymous wrote:I stay skinny by being mindful of my weight, food and exercise.

Being fat or thin is in our hands and it is our choice.

And that proves my point. How superior to those that do not stay skinny you feel....

No one is saying they are superior. Maybe the PP makes poor choices in other areas of life, I don’t know. But weight, what you eat, how much you eat, how is something you make choices about every day. Good or bad. How the choices you make make you feel is up to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I stay skinny by being mindful of my weight, food and exercise.

Being fat or thin is in our hands and it is our choice.

And that proves my point. How superior to those that do not stay skinny you feel....

No one is saying they are superior. Maybe the PP makes poor choices in other areas of life, I don’t know. But weight, what you eat, how much you eat, how is something you make choices about every day. Good or bad. How the choices you make make you feel is up to you.

Sometimes. Sometimes not. You can be mindful of your weight, food and exercise and still be fat. Someone can make all the same diet/exercise choices you do and be unable to lose weight. You are working hard to maintain a weight that you prefer. Good job! But be aware that you're lucky that your hard work translates to results. It doesn't work that way for some people.

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

If you don't live in a food desert, you can choose not to eat at McDonalds. And if you do eat at McDonalds you can choose not to supersize your meal (originally an adult portion was the current kids meal portion today). Not a single person is under any illusion that it's healthy. As PPs noted, takes less time and money to make a bowl of oatmeal or a sandwich and grab a piece of fruit.

But do you really believe it’s that simple? I agree that what you’re saying is the healthier choice, but if it’s all just about choices and there isn’t some deeper societal issue going on, why are some societies healthier than others?

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The deeper social issue is that over time, people have become completely disconnected from their food. And they have become lazy. Very few people grow their own food. That takes discipline and a whole lot of hard, physical work. Making a bowl of oatmeal requires more work than grabbing a burger from McDonald’s on he way home. Going to the grocery store requires planning and effort. Calling Door Dash is easy.

Most people don’t hunt or fish. They don’t farm. They don’t have chickens or cows. The art of cooking a family meal is dying. Kids are over scheduled. Parents are working long hours in sedentary jobs. You don’t even have to get off your ass to change the television channel anymore. You could literally run your life from a recliner. The only solution is a complete shift. And that requires effort.

I’m overweight (not obese) and I’m working on it. I don’t know what you’d call my day, but it’s certainly not lazy. I make bad calls on food when I’m tired or stressed. It happens a lot.

It’s honestly easier not to eat at all than make a healthy choice. Loose IF has helped me lose a few pounds. Any psychologist will tell you that humans have limited amounts of willpower.

But then again, if I were in the exclusive 30% who are a healthy weight, I’d be proud of that. But it’s sad you have to be mean about it.

I’m not mean. I’m honest. That’s why I make a lot of money as a trainer. People don’t pay me to be nice. They pay me for results. Sometimes that means accepting that your behaviors created your situation. This is true in all areas of life. Not just fitness.

None of us are paying you lady. You're just being mean for free here.

Where’s the lie in what she’s saying?

I wrote a lengthy post towards the end of the last page about how obesity societally is a problem uniquely preying on human foibles. The problem with this poster is that they are, perhaps with good intentions, doing three wrong things. They are:

1) Conflating the societal epidemic with individual people's behavior. Every individual obese person has their own stories, some are weak, some are traumatized, some have bad biology, some are just normal busy people falling into the trap of big food, etc etc etc. Making sweeping statements about something that unifies something like 70% of americans is just ignorant. So it is better to talk about what, societally, is driving this problem, because that is how we will actually make change. She says, 'just wake up earlier!' but if you're working two jobs and taking care of three kids, there's just not that much time left. If you are a single parent, there is no one to take care of your kids while you jog, things like this, that really just seem out of touch with the actual average american, who is a person that is struggling financially and with family and work pressures

2) She's shaming and saying mean things about fat people. And whether its true or not, (and for some people, what she says is true) every study under the sun says that shaming people is not AT ALL effective in driving meaningful weight loss

3) She's exposing herself as a fitness instructor with no empathy for fat people, which is already an anxiety fat people have when going to the gym/classes. I bet there are people who will not go to a class today after reading this thread fearing the instructor is thinking this about them.

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

If you don't live in a food desert, you can choose not to eat at McDonalds. And if you do eat at McDonalds you can choose not to supersize your meal (originally an adult portion was the current kids meal portion today). Not a single person is under any illusion that it's healthy. As PPs noted, takes less time and money to make a bowl of oatmeal or a sandwich and grab a piece of fruit.

But do you really believe it’s that simple? I agree that what you’re saying is the healthier choice, but if it’s all just about choices and there isn’t some deeper societal issue going on, why are some societies healthier than others?

.

The deeper social issue is that over time, people have become completely disconnected from their food. And they have become lazy. Very few people grow their own food. That takes discipline and a whole lot of hard, physical work. Making a bowl of oatmeal requires more work than grabbing a burger from McDonald’s on he way home. Going to the grocery store requires planning and effort. Calling Door Dash is easy.

Most people don’t hunt or fish. They don’t farm. They don’t have chickens or cows. The art of cooking a family meal is dying. Kids are over scheduled. Parents are working long hours in sedentary jobs. You don’t even have to get off your ass to change the television channel anymore. You could literally run your life from a recliner. The only solution is a complete shift. And that requires effort.

I’m overweight (not obese) and I’m working on it. I don’t know what you’d call my day, but it’s certainly not lazy. I make bad calls on food when I’m tired or stressed. It happens a lot.

It’s honestly easier not to eat at all than make a healthy choice. Loose IF has helped me lose a few pounds. Any psychologist will tell you that humans have limited amounts of willpower.

But then again, if I were in the exclusive 30% who are a healthy weight, I’d be proud of that. But it’s sad you have to be mean about it.

I’m not mean. I’m honest. That’s why I make a lot of money as a trainer. People don’t pay me to be nice. They pay me for results. Sometimes that means accepting that your behaviors created your situation. This is true in all areas of life. Not just fitness.

None of us are paying you lady. You're just being mean for free here.

Where’s the lie in what she’s saying?

I wrote a lengthy post towards the end of the last page about how obesity societally is a problem uniquely preying on human foibles. The problem with this poster is that they are, perhaps with good intentions, doing three wrong things. They are:

1) Conflating the societal epidemic with individual people's behavior. Every individual obese person has their own stories, some are weak, some are traumatized, some have bad biology, some are just normal busy people falling into the trap of big food, etc etc etc. Making sweeping statements about something that unifies something like 70% of americans is just ignorant. So it is better to talk about what, societally, is driving this problem, because that is how we will actually make change. She says, 'just wake up earlier!' but if you're working two jobs and taking care of three kids, there's just not that much time left. If you are a single parent, there is no one to take care of your kids while you jog, things like this, that really just seem out of touch with the actual average american, who is a person that is struggling financially and with family and work pressures

2) She's shaming and saying mean things about fat people. And whether its true or not, (and for some people, what she says is true) every study under the sun says that shaming people is not AT ALL effective in driving meaningful weight loss

3) She's exposing herself as a fitness instructor with no empathy for fat people, which is already an anxiety fat people have when going to the gym/classes. I bet there are people who will not go to a class today after reading this thread fearing the instructor is thinking this about them.

I love you PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Skinny people are annoying. They punish themselves by having no ice cream and eating veggies and 24/7. They dont need us to pile on.

Fat people are annoying. They punish skinny people by convincing other fat people that their obesity is the fault of the government, skinny people, or anyone other than themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:For everybody saying “it’s just self-control, anybody can lose weight” people:

Why is it this country, at this moment in time, that is having weight-related health issues? Did human nature change so much so quickly that people have less self-control? Are people in France born with more willpower? What do you make of the fact that when American culture like American food (McDonald’s and such) and American TV enter a country, the rate of eating disorders and health issues goes up?

I don’t see how this all boils down to individual willpower and self-control.

If you don't live in a food desert, you can choose not to eat at McDonalds. And if you do eat at McDonalds you can choose not to supersize your meal (originally an adult portion was the current kids meal portion today). Not a single person is under any illusion that it's healthy. As PPs noted, takes less time and money to make a bowl of oatmeal or a sandwich and grab a piece of fruit.

But do you really believe it’s that simple? I agree that what you’re saying is the healthier choice, but if it’s all just about choices and there isn’t some deeper societal issue going on, why are some societies healthier than others?

.

The deeper social issue is that over time, people have become completely disconnected from their food. And they have become lazy. Very few people grow their own food. That takes discipline and a whole lot of hard, physical work. Making a bowl of oatmeal requires more work than grabbing a burger from McDonald’s on he way home. Going to the grocery store requires planning and effort. Calling Door Dash is easy.

Most people don’t hunt or fish. They don’t farm. They don’t have chickens or cows. The art of cooking a family meal is dying. Kids are over scheduled. Parents are working long hours in sedentary jobs. You don’t even have to get off your ass to change the television channel anymore. You could literally run your life from a recliner. The only solution is a complete shift. And that requires effort.

I’m overweight (not obese) and I’m working on it. I don’t know what you’d call my day, but it’s certainly not lazy. I make bad calls on food when I’m tired or stressed. It happens a lot.

It’s honestly easier not to eat at all than make a healthy choice. Loose IF has helped me lose a few pounds. Any psychologist will tell you that humans have limited amounts of willpower.

But then again, if I were in the exclusive 30% who are a healthy weight, I’d be proud of that. But it’s sad you have to be mean about it.

I’m not mean. I’m honest. That’s why I make a lot of money as a trainer. People don’t pay me to be nice. They pay me for results. Sometimes that means accepting that your behaviors created your situation. This is true in all areas of life. Not just fitness.

None of us are paying you lady. You're just being mean for free here.

Where’s the lie in what she’s saying?

I wrote a lengthy post towards the end of the last page about how obesity societally is a problem uniquely preying on human foibles. The problem with this poster is that they are, perhaps with good intentions, doing three wrong things. They are:

1) Conflating the societal epidemic with individual people's behavior. Every individual obese person has their own stories, some are weak, some are traumatized, some have bad biology, some are just normal busy people falling into the trap of big food, etc etc etc. Making sweeping statements about something that unifies something like 70% of americans is just ignorant. So it is better to talk about what, societally, is driving this problem, because that is how we will actually make change. She says, 'just wake up earlier!' but if you're working two jobs and taking care of three kids, there's just not that much time left. If you are a single parent, there is no one to take care of your kids while you jog, things like this, that really just seem out of touch with the actual average american, who is a person that is struggling financially and with family and work pressures

2) She's shaming and saying mean things about fat people. And whether its true or not, (and for some people, what she says is true) every study under the sun says that shaming people is not AT ALL effective in driving meaningful weight loss

3) She's exposing herself as a fitness instructor with no empathy for fat people, which is already an anxiety fat people have when going to the gym/classes. I bet there are people who will not go to a class today after reading this thread fearing the instructor is thinking this about them.

I love you PP.

Your posts are great and I appreciate them as an overweight person trying to lose about 15 pounds.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I stay skinny by being mindful of my weight, food and exercise.

Being fat or thin is in our hands and it is our choice.

And that proves my point. How superior to those that do not stay skinny you feel....

No one is saying they are superior. Maybe the PP makes poor choices in other areas of life, I don’t know. But weight, what you eat, how much you eat, how is something you make choices about every day. Good or bad. How the choices you make make you feel is up to you.

Sometimes. Sometimes not. You can be mindful of your weight, food and exercise and still be fat. Someone can make all the same diet/exercise choices you do and be unable to lose weight. You are working hard to maintain a weight that you prefer. Good job! But be aware that you're lucky that your hard work translates to results. It doesn't work that way for some people.

Genetics certainly plays a role. As can health conditions such as hypothyroidism, but these cases are not as ubiquitous as some propose. I don’t know a single overweight person, myself included, who doesn’t eat too much/ low quality food.