Rest In Peace Meritocracy

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Anonymous wrote:Meritocracy is a mummy now. The brains were pulled out from the nostrils and put in an urn, long before you realized that Meritocracy died.

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Anonymous wrote:Charlie, my kid will see you in UMD. Similar stats...+ he is Asian American male like you too. Congrats on getting UMD because all of you high stat Asian-American kids have made it a powerhouse where STEM majors are concerned. Will you be super successful in life? Absolutely.

Both of you keep safe and remember this is the beginning of your life and yes, the racism inherent in college and work place was not just something your parents faced. USA is not even pretending to be egalitarian and fair.

Umd is a great education but that is ridiculous to say that this student could not have had many more acceptances if his application list had been more realistic.

If he is going for CS or Engineering...he made the right choice to go in-state (I am guessing here that he is an MD student) because how highly ranked UMD is for these two majors. Try for Ivies and know that it is a crapshoot and then also apply in-state for MD and get a free education. Well done, Charlie!

And no point in doing majors that does not get you a high paying job. He maximized his education dollars. Good for him. And while this was put in tiktok by him, I can bet that he was very aware that while he was an Ivy-level kid who was going to UMD, he was always going to be successful. Regardless of if Ivy rejected him because of racism, this kid is going to UMD with the best credentials. That is a mark of the candidate. I say this is Harvard's loss.

I also think that it is about time that the Asian-Americans realize the kinds of racism they are facing in USA. This is a valuable lesson for Charlie and my kid. Watch, experience and learn the reality of this country and society.

Quit with the whining already. All those Ivies are private schools. You are not owed a place there.

And the world does not only spin for STEM majors with 1590s.

The Ivies are private schools that get billions of dollars in tax-payer funded federal research money every year and enjoy non-profit tax-free status on their donations and investments.

If they are privates and are going to discriminate based on legacy status etc., why the hell should they receive tax-payer funded research money to hire top professors and gain worldwide prestige, just to turn around and give easy admittance to wealthy donors? It's a literal handout to the wealthy and a golden ticket to a lifetime of career/social pedigree for their offsprings.

Want to admit students based on how much their parents have donated, or legacy status? Fine, you don't receive any tax-payer funded research money - that goes directly only to schools that don't discriminate based on such non-academic social class system factors - Berkeley, Caltech, MIT, Hopkins, etc.


As for the world not revolving around STEM majors with 1590s, believe it or not - universities have these things called "majors". Admittance to STEM major should revolve around the STEM merits of the candidate, not how wealthy their parents are or how good they are at horse riding.

Mr. "I Pay Taxes but Don't Understand Civics!" Hello again!

That's not how things work. If it did, nothing would get done because everyone dislikes and disagrees with something that gets tax benefits of some kind.

What? Did you even read the post, or comprehend it?

This is not solely about non-profit status that essentially gives them massive tax breaks on investment and donations.

It's about billions of dollars in direct cash transfers from the tax-payer funded federal government in the form of research grants, that is then used to hire top professors, maintain facilities and build a global prestige and repute.

Harvard would not be Harvard if its graduate and medical research schools weren't some of the best in the world. And they wouldn't be some of the best in the world if they didn't receive billions of dollars in research grants from the federal government every year, further topped-off by tax-free investment gains from their endowments and direct tax breaks for donations.

If you don't understand what research grants are, not sure why you are discussing universities.

Yes I read it, and your response is dishonest. The first paragraph states "enjoy non-profit tax-free status on their donations and investments". So my response was exactly coherent.

I think you are the one who does not understand research grants. Do you think they are handouts colleges can spend on anything they want? Or do you think it is research that is designed to benefit commerce and society? You know that this very internet we are using was funded by research grants? That it was done so it could be used by the military?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet

Your arguments are completely without merit and demonstrate basic lack of understanding of civics.

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Anonymous wrote:Charlie, my kid will see you in UMD. Similar stats...+ he is Asian American male like you too. Congrats on getting UMD because all of you high stat Asian-American kids have made it a powerhouse where STEM majors are concerned. Will you be super successful in life? Absolutely.

Both of you keep safe and remember this is the beginning of your life and yes, the racism inherent in college and work place was not just something your parents faced. USA is not even pretending to be egalitarian and fair.

Umd is a great education but that is ridiculous to say that this student could not have had many more acceptances if his application list had been more realistic.

If he is going for CS or Engineering...he made the right choice to go in-state (I am guessing here that he is an MD student) because how highly ranked UMD is for these two majors. Try for Ivies and know that it is a crapshoot and then also apply in-state for MD and get a free education. Well done, Charlie!

And no point in doing majors that does not get you a high paying job. He maximized his education dollars. Good for him. And while this was put in tiktok by him, I can bet that he was very aware that while he was an Ivy-level kid who was going to UMD, he was always going to be successful. Regardless of if Ivy rejected him because of racism, this kid is going to UMD with the best credentials. That is a mark of the candidate. I say this is Harvard's loss.

I also think that it is about time that the Asian-Americans realize the kinds of racism they are facing in USA. This is a valuable lesson for Charlie and my kid. Watch, experience and learn the reality of this country and society.

Quit with the whining already. All those Ivies are private schools. You are not owed a place there.

And the world does not only spin for STEM majors with 1590s.

The Ivies are private schools that get billions of dollars in tax-payer funded federal research money every year and enjoy non-profit tax-free status on their donations and investments.

If they are privates and are going to discriminate based on legacy status etc., why the hell should they receive tax-payer funded research money to hire top professors and gain worldwide prestige, just to turn around and give easy admittance to wealthy donors? It's a literal handout to the wealthy and a golden ticket to a lifetime of career/social pedigree for their offsprings.

Want to admit students based on how much their parents have donated, or legacy status? Fine, you don't receive any tax-payer funded research money - that goes directly only to schools that don't discriminate based on such non-academic social class system factors - Berkeley, Caltech, MIT, Hopkins, etc.

As for the world not revolving around STEM majors with 1590s, believe it or not - universities have these things called "majors". Admittance to STEM major should revolve around the STEM merits of the candidate, not how wealthy their parents are or how good they are at horse riding.

The entire admissions process is about discrimination. I don't mean that as a criticism - in making admissions decisions, schools discriminate against one set of criteria in favor of another. You favor *only* permitting discrimination in favor of academic credentials - SATs, GPA, etc. - and no other factors. That's fine I guess, but schools go for a well-rounded student body. And they also are businesses, even though they are nonprofits, so admitting students based on name recognition and financial resources isn't exactly unreasonable either.

All you are doing is favoring one type of discrimination over al others - really, to the exclusion of all others. While you think it's a logical type of discrimination, you seem blind to the possibility that others make different determinations, which are just as reasonable, though for different reasons.

FWIW, I didn't attend an Ivy League school, my kids won't, and I don't have a personal stake in this discussion.

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Some poster has a bee in his or her bonnet that a high sat score is the only important thing.

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Top colleges want extraordinary kids they believe will change the world. Having a high score says very little. It only says that you did well on a test.

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Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?

No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.

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Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?

No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.

didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.

also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.

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Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?

No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.

didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.

also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.

Are there any high school musicians that did not start the instrument at a young age? Any? Sme with sports. The kids start these things in elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?

No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.

didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.

also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.

Are there any high school musicians that did not start the instrument at a young age? Any? Sme with sports. The kids start these things in elementary school.

+1 No shade to this kid, but my 12 year-old has already been playing for 8 years. All that tells you is that his family prioritized music education, and had the resources to begin well before lessons were offered in school.

Now, if my kid goes on to reallye excel at violin, that would tell you something about him. But just that he's been playing for a long time? That tells you something about his parents, not about him.

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Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?

No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.

didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.

also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.

Its NOTHING. kids who get in play an instrument at a national or regional level. No one cares some old lady came to your house and taught you violin or you went to a local music shop. Ivies want violinist who can play for symphonies and athletes who can play on their teams (travel and national players). A high school varsity player probably can't even make an intramural team! So now the kid is trying to get in based on original creation (not published in a regional or national publication) (not creating any sort of great community good or performance) or original thought ( has not discovered anything0. For stem you are competing against intel scholars, kids coding for tech start ups and the like. Again he was a smart regular kid according to his video. Many kids with the same stats have done more and those are the ones that get in-- they have had an impact on the wider community.

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Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?

No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.

didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.

also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.

Are there any high school musicians that did not start the instrument at a young age? Any? Sme with sports. The kids start these things in elementary school.

+1 No shade to this kid, but my 12 year-old has already been playing for 8 years. All that tells you is that his family prioritized music education, and had the resources to begin well before lessons were offered in school.

Any kid that takes something up in 3rd grade and sticks with it will have done it for 10 years.
Now, if my kid goes on to reallye excel at violin, that would tell you something about him. But just that he's been playing for a long time? That tells you something about his parents, not about him.

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Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?

No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.

didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.

also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.

Are there any high school musicians that did not start the instrument at a young age? Any? Sme with sports. The kids start these things in elementary school.

+1 No shade to this kid, but my 12 year-old has already been playing for 8 years. All that tells you is that his family prioritized music education, and had the resources to begin well before lessons were offered in school.

Now, if my kid goes on to reallye excel at violin, that would tell you something about him. But just that he's been playing for a long time? That tells you something about his parents, not about him.

Any kid that takes something up in 3rd grade and sticks with it will have done it for 10 years.

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In some ways I wish these colleges would encourage their new students to stop dong the same old, same old, and branch out to discover new endeavours.

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Truly sad what this country has become.

I don't know who this kid is but if he claims to be smart enough for the Ivies he should have know that high SAT, APs and "10 years of violin" as an Asian dude will not get him there. Please.

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Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?

No he had bad ECs. You need to do more than school activities if you want a spot. His profile was not interesting to top schools which is why he was shut out. He was a regular smart kids who was a good test taker.

didn't he play an instrument for 10 years? that is hardly nothing.

also these comments that the rest of his application must have been lacking are so dumb. a kid that bright knows how to play the game.

Its THING. kids who get NOin play an instrument at a [b]national or regional level. [/b]No one cares some old lady came to your house and taught you violin or you went to a local music shop. Ivies want violinist who can play for symphonies and athletes who can play on their teams (travel and national players). A high school varsity player probably can't even make an intramural team! So now the kid is trying to get in based on original creation (not published in a regional or national publication) (not creating any sort of great community good or performance) or original thought ( has not discovered anything0. For stem you are competing against intel scholars, kids coding for tech start ups and the like. Again he was a smart regular kid according to his video. Many kids with the same stats have done more and those are the ones that get in-- they have had an impact on the wider community.

This.
Same goes for any kind of EC. No one cares if you played recreational tennis, or fenced, or sang in a school choir in middle schools. For those elite institutions you either have to be a superlegacy, an URM -- or a real achiever in something other that SATs.

Personally, I think it's pretty f--d up,, since, at the end of the day, colleges, even the most elite ones, are institutions of higher learning, not the Olympic games. And in any kind of educational setting, a kid who spent all their time and energy on studying English/math/history will have a leg up over a kid who spent his time practicing fencing, just to get into an elite college. And this is pretty much the only place in the world that does college admissions like that. Everywhere else it's the EDUCATIONAL achievement that counts.