Rest In Peace Meritocracy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, racism against white people is the real problem in America.

The point has sailed right over your head. No one has claimed your strawman. What we ARE saying is that you can’t possibly claim “racism” against Asian applicants when just as many - if not more - white students with excellent stats are being rejected. Deal with it and quit playing the victim.

Except white students with mediocre stats are being accepted because of their legacy or athletic status

I really don't think these coaches care what race the athlete is. If the track star with the fastest time is Asian, they will get recruited - and the same is true for other sports. The coaches just want to win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020, there were 22,000 students who scored above a 1550 on the SAT. That is the top 1%. There were 21,000 students who scored a 35 or 36 on the ACT.

This student is certainly exceptional at test taking (and maybe he has an exceptional transcript to match) but he is competing against the other 22k kids who got the exact same scores.

Harvard offered admission to exactly 2,056 students this year.

Princeton admitted 1,890.

Yale admitted 2,272.

See how this works? 22,000 students with that near perfect SAT score. We can't add the perfect SAT kids with the perfect ACT kids, because there is certainly overlap with some students taking both and getting a top score on both, so let's just go with the SAT number only, since Charlie from TikTok listed SAT scores.

If we are going purely on scores, there are 20k students who will not be admitted because of the number of slots. I think the problem is that many of these students (and their parents) are unable to understand quite how many students are just as competitive as their child.

Exactly. “But RACISM!!”

Except all these numbers are wrong. Pulled from someone's a*s hole.

NP: Which numbers are wrong? According to Prep Scholar, assuming it is a reputable source, the SAT/ACT numbers are correct.
https://blog.prepscholar.com/how-many-people-get-a-34-35-36-on-the-act-score-breakdown#:~:text=Percentage%20of%20All%20Test%20Takers&text=Unsurprisingly%2C%20a%20full%2036%20is,0.961%25%20of%20test%20takers%20earned.


Do you have another source with different numbers?

To give you a hint, you need to google "1% percentile of SAT", which I believe is 1510-1520. Then multiple the 1% by the total number of students who took the SAT tests in 2020. Report back here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020, there were 22,000 students who scored above a 1550 on the SAT. That is the top 1%. There were 21,000 students who scored a 35 or 36 on the ACT.

This student is certainly exceptional at test taking (and maybe he has an exceptional transcript to match) but he is competing against the other 22k kids who got the exact same scores.

Harvard offered admission to exactly 2,056 students this year.

Princeton admitted 1,890.

Yale admitted 2,272.

See how this works? 22,000 students with that near perfect SAT score. We can't add the perfect SAT kids with the perfect ACT kids, because there is certainly overlap with some students taking both and getting a top score on both, so let's just go with the SAT number only, since Charlie from TikTok listed SAT scores.

If we are going purely on scores, there are 20k students who will not be admitted because of the number of slots. I think the problem is that many of these students (and their parents) are unable to understand quite how many students are just as competitive as their child.

Exactly. “But RACISM!!”

Except all these numbers are wrong. Pulled from someone's a*s hole.

NP: Which numbers are wrong? According to Prep Scholar, assuming it is a reputable source, the SAT/ACT numbers are correct.
https://blog.prepscholar.com/how-many-people-get-a-34-35-36-on-the-act-score-breakdown#:~:text=Percentage%20of%20All%20Test%20Takers&text=Unsurprisingly%2C%20a%20full%2036%20is,0.961%25%20of%20test%20takers%20earned.


Do you have another source with different numbers?

To give you a hint, you need to google "1% percentile of SAT", which I believe is 1510-1520. Then multiple the 1% by the total number of students who took the SAT tests in 2020. Report back here.

According to the college board 2.2M students took the SAT in 2020. https://newsroom.collegeboard.org/nearly-22-million-students-class-2020-took-sat-least-once

1% equals 22,000 students that scored >1500. The OP gave the same number? What are you arguing is wrong?? The numbers are not pulled out of someone's a*s.

[Anonymous]

There is a really small number of students who have

1) Perfect Scores AND
2) In the top 1% of their class AND
3) National AP Scholar


These kids really should be and would be in their top choice college, if these universities cared about academics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, racism against white people is the real problem in America.

The point has sailed right over your head. No one has claimed your strawman. What we ARE saying is that you can’t possibly claim “racism” against Asian applicants when just as many - if not more - white students with excellent stats are being rejected. Deal with it and quit playing the victim.

Except white students with mediocre stats are being accepted because of their legacy or athletic status

Do you have a stat for that claim? Or did you pull it right out of your a$$ hole?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a really small number of students who have

1) Perfect Scores AND
2) In the top 1% of their class AND
3) National AP Scholar


These kids really should be and would be in their top choice college, if these universities cared about academics.

I think there are a few universities that do care about perfect scores and admit based on perfect scores. Did some perfect score kid not get into one of these places for perfect score kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, racism against white people is the real problem in America.

The point has sailed right over your head. No one has claimed your strawman. What we ARE saying is that you can’t possibly claim “racism” against Asian applicants when just as many - if not more - white students with excellent stats are being rejected. Deal with it and quit playing the victim.

Except white students with mediocre stats are being accepted because of their legacy or athletic status

Do you have a stat for that claim? Or did you pull it right out of your a$$ hole?

What rock do you live under? They did a whole study on this using the Harvard admissions data.

“Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a really small number of students who have

1) Perfect Scores AND
2) In the top 1% of their class AND
3) National AP Scholar


These kids really should be and would be in their top choice college, if these universities cared about academics.

Depends on what you think is a small number. It is more likely that kids with perfect scores are also at the top of their class and scored 5's on AP test. Probably 10-15K per year. Still higher than combined seats at HYPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a really small number of students who have

1) Perfect Scores AND
2) In the top 1% of their class AND
3) National AP Scholar


These kids really should be and would be in their top choice college, if these universities cared about academics.

I'll be honest, I do not equate top scores on the SAT with "academics." Even the test prep companies admit that they are not teaching your child academics. They are teaching them the "tricks' and strategies of test taking. That is not academics.

I'm not impressed by National AP scholar either.

[Anonymous]

How is that RIP Meritocracy? He was accepeted into top colleges. These universities get tens of thousands of applicants from all across the world. His rejection means nothing.

[Anonymous]

Why can't these people understand being a good test taker is necessary, not sufficient for acceptance. Yale is known for its Theater program; Harvard puts out "leaders" ( and communist ), but you get the point. American Universities aren't soley looking at test scores. You're not entitiled to get into the college you want to - there are plenty out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020, there were 22,000 students who scored above a 1550 on the SAT. That is the top 1%. There were 21,000 students who scored a 35 or 36 on the ACT.

This student is certainly exceptional at test taking (and maybe he has an exceptional transcript to match) but he is competing against the other 22k kids who got the exact same scores.

Harvard offered admission to exactly 2,056 students this year.

Princeton admitted 1,890.

Yale admitted 2,272.

See how this works? 22,000 students with that near perfect SAT score. We can't add the perfect SAT kids with the perfect ACT kids, because there is certainly overlap with some students taking both and getting a top score on both, so let's just go with the SAT number only, since Charlie from TikTok listed SAT scores.

If we are going purely on scores, there are 20k students who will not be admitted because of the number of slots. I think the problem is that many of these students (and their parents) are unable to understand quite how many students are just as competitive as their child.

Exactly. “But RACISM!!”

Except all these numbers are wrong. Pulled from someone's a*s hole.

NP: Which numbers are wrong? According to Prep Scholar, assuming it is a reputable source, the SAT/ACT numbers are correct.
https://blog.prepscholar.com/how-many-people-get-a-34-35-36-on-the-act-score-breakdown#:~:text=Percentage%20of%20All%20Test%20Takers&text=Unsurprisingly%2C%20a%20full%2036%20is,0.961%25%20of%20test%20takers%20earned.


Do you have another source with different numbers?

To give you a hint, you need to google "1% percentile of SAT", which I believe is 1510-1520. Then multiple the 1% by the total number of students who took the SAT tests in 2020. Report back here.

According to prep scholar
6500 out of 2.2 million get 1550+
1400 get 1590+
500 get 1600+

There should be plenty of spots available for these students in the top 20 schools and plenty left over for students who excel in non-academic pursuits

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In 2020, there were 22,000 students who scored above a 1550 on the SAT. That is the top 1%. There were 21,000 students who scored a 35 or 36 on the ACT.

This student is certainly exceptional at test taking (and maybe he has an exceptional transcript to match) but he is competing against the other 22k kids who got the exact same scores.

Harvard offered admission to exactly 2,056 students this year.

Princeton admitted 1,890.

Yale admitted 2,272.

See how this works? 22,000 students with that near perfect SAT score. We can't add the perfect SAT kids with the perfect ACT kids, because there is certainly overlap with some students taking both and getting a top score on both, so let's just go with the SAT number only, since Charlie from TikTok listed SAT scores.

If we are going purely on scores, there are 20k students who will not be admitted because of the number of slots. I think the problem is that many of these students (and their parents) are unable to understand quite how many students are just as competitive as their child.

Exactly. “But RACISM!!”

Except all these numbers are wrong. Pulled from someone's a*s hole.

NP: Which numbers are wrong? According to Prep Scholar, assuming it is a reputable source, the SAT/ACT numbers are correct.
https://blog.prepscholar.com/how-many-people-get-a-34-35-36-on-the-act-score-breakdown#:~:text=Percentage%20of%20All%20Test%20Takers&text=Unsurprisingly%2C%20a%20full%2036%20is,0.961%25%20of%20test%20takers%20earned.


Do you have another source with different numbers?

To give you a hint, you need to google "1% percentile of SAT", which I believe is 1510-1520. Then multiple the 1% by the total number of students who took the SAT tests in 2020. Report back here.

According to prep scholar
6500 out of 2.2 million get 1550+
1400 get 1590+
500 get 1600+

There should be plenty of spots available for these students in the top 20 schools and plenty left over for students who excel in non-academic pursuits

There are also a lot of kids that superscore to those scores. I would guess the amounts would more than double. Then there are the ACT takers (my
Kid only took ACT, not SAT). And the ACT auperscorers. So it is much higher than you might think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a really small number of students who have

1) Perfect Scores AND
2) In the top 1% of their class AND
3) National AP Scholar


These kids really should be and would be in their top choice college, if these universities cared about academics.

Depends on what you think is a small number. It is more likely that kids with perfect scores are also at the top of their class and scored 5's on AP test. Probably 10-15K per year. Still higher than combined seats at HYPS.

Nonsense. There are fewer than thousand students that will meet all three criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a really small number of students who have

1) Perfect Scores AND
2) In the top 1% of their class AND
3) National AP Scholar


These kids really should be and would be in their top choice college, if these universities cared about academics.

I'll be honest, I do not equate top scores on the SAT with "academics." Even the test prep companies admit that they are not teaching your child academics. They are teaching them the "tricks' and strategies of test taking. That is not academics.

I'm not impressed by National AP scholar either.

I bet you are impressed by the right race of an applicant though. Do you even have an idea how hard it is to get all the three factors listed above?