Guests in the condo pool. Call the police?

[Anonymous]

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It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

No. The guest are under no legal obligation to know the HOA rules. The contract is between the HOA and the owner. The owner can be fined but the guests are not trespassing.

No one said the guests need to know the HOA rules. But if they are told they do not have permission to be there, then they need to leave, immediately. They can’t just stay because the owner invited them and said it was okay.

Not only do they have the right to stay there but 1 owner does not have authority over another owner.

If you don't like your MIL, you can't call the cops to have her removed from your home if your H is on the mortgage/lease and he wants her to stay.

[Anonymous]

Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

No. The guest are under no legal obligation to know the HOA rules. The contract is between the HOA and the owner. The owner can be fined but the guests are not trespassing.

If you are in a property that is not yours, you are trespassing unless you've been granted the privilege to be there. The condo owner did not secure the proper permit to get you that privilege, so you are trespassing.

That is not how contracts work. The contract is with the home owner. They are in violation of the HOA rules (which are not criminal laws) and the guests are not trespassing.

This doesn't have anything to do with contract law, this is about a person (in this case 30+ people) being on a private property that is not theirs. Trespassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

New poster here. Of course different condos have different rules, but condos that allows unlimited # of guests in common areas is rare. More so when the common area in question is a pool. Unless of course, this is worked out in advance.

Few of us were there so we don't know the facts, but based on that fb page it doesn't sound like no one could produce a party permit or guest pool passes. Throwing a party for 30+ people is not cool, and I believe those those people were trespassing.

Trespassing IS a police matter; I would have called the police also on 30+ random people at my private property.

It's not "My" private property. You don't own the property.

You're on crack. A condo owner by definition owns the property. Sure, not 100%. But at least they are OWNERS. The trespassers.. well are trespassers, and have precisely zero rights to be there.

No...did you not take your medication today.

You 100% do not own the property. The HOA or the corporation owns the condominium does.

The other owner has the right to invite guests so the guests are not trespassing.

Who do you think owns a condominium building? All the individual condo owners own the building. Not some corporation.

The guests are trespassing if the owner did not have permission to invite them in the first place.

(You might be thinking of an apartment building, which is different from a condominium in the way it is owned.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

No. The guest are under no legal obligation to know the HOA rules. The contract is between the HOA and the owner. The owner can be fined but the guests are not trespassing.

No one said the guests need to know the HOA rules. But if they are told they do not have permission to be there, then they need to leave, immediately. They can’t just stay because the owner invited them and said it was okay.

Not only do they have the right to stay there but 1 owner does not have authority over another owner.

If you don't like your MIL, you can't call the cops to have her removed from your home if your H is on the mortgage/lease and he wants her to stay.

Except this is not how condos work. Condos have rules about guests and parties. Unless you've secured the right to have a party or guests with you in a common space, then they shouldn't be there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

Not true. We have a soccer field in our neighborhood and often a homeowner invites 30 people to the field to play soccer.

People also have parties at our park... 30 would be fine.

I would not even know if people at the pool are guests since the pool is so crowded.

Under no circumstance does anybody reasonable person thing 1 crazy owner has the right to call the police on a civil matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

New poster here. Of course different condos have different rules, but condos that allows unlimited # of guests in common areas is rare. More so when the common area in question is a pool. Unless of course, this is worked out in advance.

Few of us were there so we don't know the facts, but based on that fb page it doesn't sound like no one could produce a party permit or guest pool passes. Throwing a party for 30+ people is not cool, and I believe those those people were trespassing.

Trespassing IS a police matter; I would have called the police also on 30+ random people at my private property.

It's not "My" private property. You don't own the property.

You're on crack. A condo owner by definition owns the property. Sure, not 100%. But at least they are OWNERS. The trespassers.. well are trespassers, and have precisely zero rights to be there.

No...did you not take your medication today.

You 100% do not own the property. The HOA or the corporation owns the condominium does.

The other owner has the right to invite guests so the guests are not trespassing.

Who do you think owns a condominium building? All the individual condo owners own the building. Not some corporation.

The guests are trespassing if the owner did not have permission to invite them in the first place.

(You might be thinking of an apartment building, which is different from a condominium in the way it is owned.)

That would be a co-op.

let's all ignore that idiot troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

I could see an argument that they were trespassing. If the condo owner did not properly register the party in advance and pay for each guest, then the people would be there without permission, and therefore be trespassing.

You can't trespass when you are a guest of an owner, even if the other owners don't like it or have HOA rules about how many guests you can have.

If the resident does not have permission to have guests, then yes, you are trespassing. No permission means not allowed to be there.

No. The guest are under no legal obligation to know the HOA rules. The contract is between the HOA and the owner. The owner can be fined but the guests are not trespassing.

No one said the guests need to know the HOA rules. But if they are told they do not have permission to be there, then they need to leave, immediately. They can’t just stay because the owner invited them and said it was okay.

Not only do they have the right to stay there but 1 owner does not have authority over another owner.

If you don't like your MIL, you can't call the cops to have her removed from your home if your H is on the mortgage/lease and he wants her to stay.

Except this is not how condos work. Condos have rules about guests and parties. Unless you've secured the right to have a party or guests with you in a common space, then they shouldn't be there.

Actually that is exactly how condo's work. They have rules and if owners break the rules condos owners/hoas deal with the owner, not their guests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

Not true. We have a soccer field in our neighborhood and often a homeowner invites 30 people to the field to play soccer.

People also have parties at our park... 30 would be fine.

I would not even know if people at the pool are guests since the pool is so crowded.

Under no circumstance does anybody reasonable person thing 1 crazy owner has the right to call the police on a civil matter.

Trespassing is a crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

New poster here. Of course different condos have different rules, but condos that allows unlimited # of guests in common areas is rare. More so when the common area in question is a pool. Unless of course, this is worked out in advance.

Few of us were there so we don't know the facts, but based on that fb page it doesn't sound like no one could produce a party permit or guest pool passes. Throwing a party for 30+ people is not cool, and I believe those those people were trespassing.

Trespassing IS a police matter; I would have called the police also on 30+ random people at my private property.

It's not "My" private property. You don't own the property.

You're on crack. A condo owner by definition owns the property. Sure, not 100%. But at least they are OWNERS. The trespassers.. well are trespassers, and have precisely zero rights to be there.

No...did you not take your medication today.

You 100% do not own the property. The HOA or the corporation owns the condominium does.

The other owner has the right to invite guests so the guests are not trespassing.

Who do you think owns a condominium building? All the individual condo owners own the building. Not some corporation.

The guests are trespassing if the owner did not have permission to invite them in the first place.

(You might be thinking of an apartment building, which is different from a condominium in the way it is owned.)

That would be a co-op.

let's all ignore that idiot troll

OMG! Do you guys have any education what so ever?

With a condo, you own and hold title to a single "unit." A unit might be an apartment-like space in a building with multiple units, or it could be a unit that stands alone from but is connected to another unit, perhaps by a common wall. The owner is ordinarily allowed to make changes to the inside of the condo unit: paint, install new carpeting, or renovate the kitchen.

You don't own anything outside of your condo unit, however, not even the exterior walls.

co-op is similar to a condo, except that co-op residents don't actually own their particular unit. Instead, a cooperative entity, which is usually a corporation, owns and holds title to the land and building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

Not true. We have a soccer field in our neighborhood and often a homeowner invites 30 people to the field to play soccer.

People also have parties at our park... 30 would be fine.

I would not even know if people at the pool are guests since the pool is so crowded.

Under no circumstance does anybody reasonable person thing 1 crazy owner has the right to call the police on a civil matter.

Trespassing is a crime.

Luckily nobody was trespassing at this particular pool.

[Anonymous]

No wonder Becky keeps calling 50, they have not basic knowledge of the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus.

It is absolutely not the job of (armed BTW) police officers to enforce **HOA rules**.

If the HOA makes rules, it is the job of the HOA to figure out a way to enforce them. If too many people are violating the rules on guests in the pool, then the HOA needs to hire staff to monitor, or put up cameras and send out letters, or whatever. Figure it out. Absolutely wrong for the police to get involved in reading HOA bylaws and trying to interpret them. Those cops were in the wrong. They should have said "No evidence of a crime here" and left -- it was not a police matter.

Trespassing is a police matter if you call the police and tell them that someone is trespassing. Now, does some HOA hen have the authority to trespass you from the pool? I have no idea. It does seem absurd that some HOA hen would involve the police over some type of hoa offense. I can kind of empathize because my hoa threatened to have me locked up

They were guests of a resident so not trespassing.

If there are HOA rules concerning the *number* of guests allowed, then that is a matter for the HOA to enforce however the HOA wants to enforce it. But the police aren't their private enforcement squad.

New poster here. Of course different condos have different rules, but condos that allows unlimited # of guests in common areas is rare. More so when the common area in question is a pool. Unless of course, this is worked out in advance.

Few of us were there so we don't know the facts, but based on that fb page it doesn't sound like no one could produce a party permit or guest pool passes. Throwing a party for 30+ people is not cool, and I believe those those people were trespassing.

Trespassing IS a police matter; I would have called the police also on 30+ random people at my private property.

It's not "My" private property. You don't own the property.

You're on crack. A condo owner by definition owns the property. Sure, not 100%. But at least they are OWNERS. The trespassers.. well are trespassers, and have precisely zero rights to be there.

No...did you not take your medication today.

You 100% do not own the property. The HOA or the corporation owns the condominium does.

The other owner has the right to invite guests so the guests are not trespassing.

Who do you think owns a condominium building? All the individual condo owners own the building. Not some corporation.

The guests are trespassing if the owner did not have permission to invite them in the first place.

(You might be thinking of an apartment building, which is different from a condominium in the way it is owned.)

That would be a co-op.

let's all ignore that idiot troll

OMG! Do you guys have any education what so ever?

With a condo, you own and hold title to a single "unit." A unit might be an apartment-like space in a building with multiple units, or it could be a unit that stands alone from but is connected to another unit, perhaps by a common wall. The owner is ordinarily allowed to make changes to the inside of the condo unit: paint, install new carpeting, or renovate the kitchen.

You don't own anything outside of your condo unit, however, not even the exterior walls.

co-op is similar to a condo, except that co-op residents don't actually own their particular unit. Instead, a cooperative entity, which is usually a corporation, owns and holds title to the land and building.

Nope. You're an idiot. Common areas are owned by all the owners jointly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

The fine them and it's not the police's job to do that or another owner's job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Under no circumstance does any reasonable person think its reasonable for 1-2 "owners" to have 30 guests in a shared owner space. Imagine if every owner did that.

These people were WAY out of line and they either know it and don't care, or are THAT clueless about acceptable public behavior.

I have no doubt that the 30 of them who thought this was totally cool to do were making a huge disturbance at the pool.

Not true. We have a soccer field in our neighborhood and often a homeowner invites 30 people to the field to play soccer.

People also have parties at our park... 30 would be fine.

I would not even know if people at the pool are guests since the pool is so crowded.

Under no circumstance does anybody reasonable person thing 1 crazy owner has the right to call the police on a civil matter.

You’re talking about public parks in your examples here. The case we’re talking about took place at a private pool at a condo building. Not public, but privately owned by the owners of the condos. Completely different from a public park.