ICE Raids

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Anonymous wrote:I sure miss the days when conservatives pretended to be compassionate.

We REALLY miss the days when liberals believed in supporting our immigration laws.
And, that wasn't too long ago.
I could post clip after clip of video of Obama, Schumer, and even HRC discussing how our borders must be enforced and our border policies must be adhered to.

Guess this is an attempt by the Democrats to import more future voters since they can't seem to get them the legal way.

And, BTW - we are compassionate. And, we also believe in the rule of law.
As long as these people enter illegally and stay when they have been ordered to leave, we are less able to support more immigrants who choose to come the legal way and abide by our laws.

You are full of sh*t. Was Mike Pence compassionate as he crossed his arms and refused to acknowledge the men in cages at the border? Waere Lindsey Graham or Mike Lee? Is separating kids from their parents— and then losing the parents— compassionate? How about jamming kids in cages meant to hold 1/3 of occupants. With no showers or cots. 24 hour light and sleep if you can on the concrete floor. Conditions we don’t impose of murderers in the Us criminal justice system. Is making young teens taking care of sick babies who don’t get clean diapers compassionate? Telling women to drink out of the toilet? Do compassionate people stand up in Court and argue that safe and sanitary conditions for children do not include soap and a toothbrush? Do compassionate federal government officials run secret FB groups making fun of dead migrant toddlers.

You don’t seem to get it. Liberals are not upset that immigration laws are being enforced. They are upset that they are being enforced in the cruelest, most inhumane and most dangerous manner imaginable. That this Administration literally looked at their immigration procedures and said— deporting and enforcing the law isn’t enough. What can we do to make human beings suffer to the greatest extent possible? That this administration is going out of its way to house children in unsafe, unclean and dangerous conditions to punish their parents.

You can enforce the law without unnecessary and gratuitous cruelty. But then what would Stephen Miller have to jerk off to?

I never thought I would see the rise of the Christian Left. But, here we are.

Just stop.
The Democrats could change the situation in an instant - by changing the laws that encourage these people to come. But, they won't. Because, Trump.
They will not allow the Republicans to introduce legislation to change the laws. Because, Trump.
And, if the Democrats had their way - these people would all be released into the country. That is their ultimate goal. They are secretly happy that the holding facilities are overcrowded and understaffed because they can complain and scream about the conditions. And, those that scream the loudest voted AGAINST additional funding to improve the situation. Explain that.

And, just stop with the "cages." These "cages" were the ones installed by the Obama administration.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

I'm just glad Trump won because deportations are down. F*** Obama and Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sure miss the days when conservatives pretended to be compassionate.

We REALLY miss the days when liberals believed in supporting our immigration laws.
And, that wasn't too long ago.
I could post clip after clip of video of Obama, Schumer, and even HRC discussing how our borders must be enforced and our border policies must be adhered to.

Guess this is an attempt by the Democrats to import more future voters since they can't seem to get them the legal way.

And, BTW - we are compassionate. And, we also believe in the rule of law.
As long as these people enter illegally and stay when they have been ordered to leave, we are less able to support more immigrants who choose to come the legal way and abide by our laws.

You are full of sh*t. Was Mike Pence compassionate as he crossed his arms and refused to acknowledge the men in cages at the border? Waere Lindsey Graham or Mike Lee? Is separating kids from their parents— and then losing the parents— compassionate? How about jamming kids in cages meant to hold 1/3 of occupants. With no showers or cots. 24 hour light and sleep if you can on the concrete floor. Conditions we don’t impose of murderers in the Us criminal justice system. Is making young teens taking care of sick babies who don’t get clean diapers compassionate? Telling women to drink out of the toilet? Do compassionate people stand up in Court and argue that safe and sanitary conditions for children do not include soap and a toothbrush? Do compassionate federal government officials run secret FB groups making fun of dead migrant toddlers.

You don’t seem to get it. Liberals are not upset that immigration laws are being enforced. They are upset that they are being enforced in the cruelest, most inhumane and most dangerous manner imaginable. That this Administration literally looked at their immigration procedures and said— deporting and enforcing the law isn’t enough. What can we do to make human beings suffer to the greatest extent possible? That this administration is going out of its way to house children in unsafe, unclean and dangerous conditions to punish their parents.

You can enforce the law without unnecessary and gratuitous cruelty. But then what would Stephen Miller have to jerk off to?

I never thought I would see the rise of the Christian Left. But, here we are.

You are completely unhinged. Who bought beds to send to the centers for the children? The Trump administration. Who protested sending the beds to the centers, simply because Trump's name was attached? Liberals.

NO ONE has yet answered the question that has been posed again and again: WHERE DO YOU SUGGEST THESE IMMIGRANTS GO?? The facilities they are being housed in weren't built for such huge capacities. So what's your solution? Why are none of you answering this question, but continuing to go off on the administration - even though these immigrants are coming here willing and of their own volition? Again: WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE THEM TO GO?

It’s a big country. With very low unemployment. And not full.

We find a permanent, legal, status for DACA kids that includes a pathway to citizenship

We find a permanent, legal status for people who have been here a certain length of time, say ten years, can pass an English and civics tests, and have never been convicted of a crime. They get the equivalent of a green card, renewable every 5 years, so long as they are self supporting and don’t commit any crimes. They pay into social security, and get retirement out, but at half the rate than American citizens. They can enter the diversity lottery while in the US. But unless they make it to the front of the line, they are never eligible for citizenship.

We do a massive hiring of immigration judges. And attorneys/ law clerks/ decision writers and paralegals to support them. And we allow them to hold tele-hearings, so we can get competent mid career people who don’t want to move to the border. We place a very high priority on streamlining cases and clearing the backlog. We get processing times down to weeks or months, instead of years. We allow,one continuance only, to get documents or get a lawyer. After that, we hold the hearing.

We pay EAJA fees to lawyers who represent immigrants who make SUCCESSFUL asylum claims. Having a lawyer involved speeds up the process enormously, makes it much easier to get paperwork, and takes a lot of the burden off the judges.

We don’t detain families— or anyone— for longer than it takes to process their asylum claims, unless we have reason to believe they are dangerous. Or the children are in danger. We release the, into the community, with electronic monitoring of the adults aif necessary. We also give them work visas that must be renewed in person every 3 months. They pay into social security and get nothing out unless their asylum claim is granted. Their residences are spot checked, and if they move without telling immigration, they lose the work visa. We allow them to buy at least catastrophic medical insurance.

People who lose an asylum claim are promptly deported. If they come back, they have no right to do through the asylum process again. They get one expedited hearing with a Judge prior to being released to demonstrate that something significant has changed. If they can’t, they are immediately deported. They don’t get a third chance.

We treat the people we hold at least as well American prisoners. A cot, even if they are sharing a sleeping space with a couple dozen men. 3 meals a day (even if they are powdered eggs), a toothbrush, a couple showers a week, clean jumpsuits on a regular basis, emergency medical,care and an hour our of rec time each day. We require them to work 8 hours a day. We permit them to take classes in English and civics.

We hold CPB and ICE to the same standards as every other federal employee. They treat people with respect, they cut it out with the secret Facebook groups, they stop intentionally degrading behavior towards immigrants. Or the lose their jobs.

We treat visa overstays and birth tourism as problems that are as severe as illegal border crossings, because numerically, they are.

We make e-verify mandatory.

We invest in 21 st century technology to prevent illegal crossings. Drones with heat sensing technology. Virtual fencing. But, no wall.

So. Now I have answered your question. This is WHERE I SUGGEST THE IMMIGRANTS GO. But Repubics would hate it, because it’s not punitive enough.

Any more questions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My brother is a us citizen. He broke the law (drugs). He was separated from his children for 5 years (2 to go). No one is demonstrating for him to be reunited with his kids.

It’s sad, but if you have kids, don’t break the law.

This is an inconvenient truth for the bleeding heart liberals who are only supportive of the rule of law if it involves anyone in the Trump administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad Trump won because deportations are down. F*** Obama and Trump.

Amazing but you are absolutely right.

I wonder why the media just woke up to the issue.

Selective wokeness?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm just glad Trump won because deportations are down. F*** Obama and Trump.

Amazing but you are absolutely right.

I wonder why the media just woke up to the issue.

Selective wokeness?

Nope. Accompanied kids being taken from their parents and held— sometimes indefinitely— in inhumane conditions and dying while we lose the parents

Plus (and this is the biggie)— Trumps Twitter feed, statements and rallies. The media covers this because this is what POTZuS has chosen to focus on.

[Anonymous]

Interesting, long list of possible reforms that many Dems could get behind about 4 posts above. And deafening silence from MAGAts and the WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM hysterics.

Responses?

[Anonymous]

7:39–We have no idea who their real parents are.

[Anonymous]

So long criminals and their children. Is there this much concern when an american citizen commits crimes and what happens to their kids? The kids will be sent back to those foreign governments and they can deal with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It’s a big country. With very low unemployment. And not full.

We find a permanent, legal, status for DACA kids that includes a pathway to citizenship

We find a permanent, legal status for people who have been here a certain length of time, say ten years, can pass an English and civics tests, and have never been convicted of a crime. They get the equivalent of a green card, renewable every 5 years, so long as they are self supporting and don’t commit any crimes. They pay into social security, and get retirement out, but at half the rate than American citizens. They can enter the diversity lottery while in the US. But unless they make it to the front of the line, they are never eligible for citizenship.

We literally have state governments providing social service benefits, free health care, and ICE-avoidance-assistance to illegal aliens right now, including not working with ICE for illegals caught committing crimes, and you think the government will be able to deport people that are not able to support themselves and commit crimes in the future? LMAO. How unrealistically naive can you be?

Anonymous wrote:
We do a massive hiring of immigration judges. And attorneys/ law clerks/ decision writers and paralegals to support them. And we allow them to hold tele-hearings, so we can get competent mid career people who don’t want to move to the border. We place a very high priority on streamlining cases and clearing the backlog. We get processing times down to weeks or months, instead of years. We allow,one continuance only, to get documents or get a lawyer. After that, we hold the hearing.

We pay EAJA fees to lawyers who represent immigrants who make SUCCESSFUL asylum claims. Having a lawyer involved speeds up the process enormously, makes it much easier to get paperwork, and takes a lot of the burden off the judges.

We don’t detain families— or anyone— for longer than it takes to process their asylum claims, unless we have reason to believe they are dangerous. Or the children are in danger. We release the, into the community, with electronic monitoring of the adults aif necessary. We also give them work visas that must be renewed in person every 3 months. They pay into social security and get nothing out unless their asylum claim is granted. Their residences are spot checked, and if they move without telling immigration, they lose the work visa. We allow them to buy at least catastrophic medical insurance.

All this does is create a constant stream of future DACA-like population. This is not a solution. Who is going to fund the massive amount of electronic monitoring bracelets that will be needed? And it's not like the electronic monitoring bracelet can't be removed and discarded in a dumpster somewhere. Where do you go to find the person that is going to disappear and become undocumented?

Anonymous wrote:
People who lose an asylum claim are promptly deported. If they come back, they have no right to do through the asylum process again. They get one expedited hearing with a Judge prior to being released to demonstrate that something significant has changed. If they can’t, they are immediately deported. They don’t get a third chance.

We treat the people we hold at least as well American prisoners. A cot, even if they are sharing a sleeping space with a couple dozen men. 3 meals a day (even if they are powdered eggs), a toothbrush, a couple showers a week, clean jumpsuits on a regular basis, emergency medical,care and an hour our of rec time each day. We require them to work 8 hours a day. We permit them to take classes in English and civics.

We hold CPB and ICE to the same standards as every other federal employee. They treat people with respect, they cut it out with the secret Facebook groups, they stop intentionally degrading behavior towards immigrants. Or the lose their jobs.

We treat visa overstays and birth tourism as problems that are as severe as illegal border crossings, because numerically, they are.

We make e-verify mandatory.

We invest in 21 st century technology to prevent illegal crossings. Drones with heat sensing technology. Virtual fencing. But, no wall.

So. Now I have answered your question. This is WHERE I SUGGEST THE IMMIGRANTS GO. But Repubics would hate it, because it’s not punitive enough.

Any more questions?

There are some places where drones may work, especially in very remote areas where it would take a long time for someone crossing the border to reach a populated area to blend in. This will provide time for a response team to intercept the group. But for borders that are close to structures, private residences, towns, and other population centers, walls are the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ are the Republicans opposed to those things? Because they have offered lots of yapping and drafted zero legislation. Why is this the Democrat’s responsibility?

And it should be bipartisan. And it was before Trump. But in 2019, Rs would hate the bill Dems would write with a pathway to citizenship for people who have been here for years and assimilated with no criminal record, and DACA, and mandatory e-verify, and 21st century border protection, and no frigging wall and reigning in the deplorable behavior of CBP, and stopping family separations. . Do you really think this bill would ever make it to the Senate floor?

Um..... Trump offered a DACA fix early in his presidency. Dems didn't want it because they don't want a permanent fix - a wall.
And, personally, I am opposed to the parents of the DACA kids getting a path to citizenship. Perhaps they can stay, but no path to citizenship. They broke our laws. Why reward them?

And, like it or not, CBP is doing their job.
And, family separations are necessary to determine whether they are family units. A third of them are not.

Agree with this !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sure miss the days when conservatives pretended to be compassionate.

We REALLY miss the days when liberals believed in supporting our immigration laws.
And, that wasn't too long ago.
I could post clip after clip of video of Obama, Schumer, and even HRC discussing how our borders must be enforced and our border policies must be adhered to.

Guess this is an attempt by the Democrats to import more future voters since they can't seem to get them the legal way.

And, BTW - we are compassionate. And, we also believe in the rule of law.
As long as these people enter illegally and stay when they have been ordered to leave, we are less able to support more immigrants who choose to come the legal way and abide by our laws.

+100
Remember Bill Clinton on illegal immigration? Can you imagine a Democratic president uttering these words today?

Geee...he sounds like.....TRUMP.

[Anonymous]

+100
Remember Bill Clinton on illegal immigration? Can you imagine a Democratic president uttering these words today?

Geee...he sounds like.....TRUMP.

nope

I can't imagine. I wonder how Pelosi would respond to his words today.

[Anonymous]

liberal AntiFa member shot dead trying to firebomb and ICE detention center
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/14/tacoma-northwest-detention-center-man-killed-after-attempted-attack-migrant-facility/1728431001/

Liberals are angry they guy is being mis-pronouned.

This is on AOC and the Democrats hands. If anyone died the blood is in the Democrats hands for their insane rhetoric calling them nazis and white supremacists.

[Anonymous]

"We find a permanent, legal status for people who have been here a certain length of time, say ten years."

So now, instead of bail, the criminals will be set free and their rap sheet expunged if for ten years they avoid recapture.