ICE Raids

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https://www.sfgate.com/centralcoast/article/ice-raids-overwhelm-california-communities-20319412.php

A man pulled up to a gas station to fill up his truck. ICE agents surrounded him and took him away. But his children were left behind.
“They arrested someone,” witness said. “They left the children inside the truck.”

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

PP here. It is a huge problem, for sure; but Democrats who minimize the impact (many on this forum) are likely not impacted by the burden placed on social services, hospitals, and schools.

PP left out that the border would remain open to thousands streaming across until it could be closed. If it had required the border be closed completely, Trump might have supported it (but Democrats wouldn't).

Yes all those Texas Republicans would line up behind closing the border. You live in a fantasy world.

Umm, they did and support Trump doing just that.

No there are thousands of people and goods crossing the board each day. Greg Abbott tried to shut down the border with some scheme and caused huge backups at the border. I guess bribes were paid and Abbott quickly let cross border traffic resume. Though not before a good chunk of traffic started going to other states’ boarding crossings. Though border businesses in Texas still have not recovered from that fiasco.

Abbott put his own police officers at the border when Biden refused to control the flow of people. He installed buoys in the Rio Grande to discourage people from crossing. Last I checked he is a Republican.

It's not necessarily that Biden refused to control the flow. He just removed certain band aid protocols that were in place to control the flow before there was appropriate long term fix legislation in place to control the flow. His actions or inaction in that regard is inexplicable. Not as troubling as when Trump sat in The White House for 3 hours and ignored pleas for his help as a mob of hundreds were seeking to hang his VP but Biden's failures in this regard are troubling as well.

He deliberately refused to control the flow. If he or Harris had won on 2024, the next move would've been mass amnesty of those millions for sure.

No, he did not deliberately refuse to control the flow. That is a right wing BS talking point. He didn't have the same tools Trump had because they were struck down in court. The fix is legislative and there was a deal on the table that gave the GOP 80% of what it wanted. Both Biden and Harris said they would sign it. Trump never said he would. He doesn't want a fox that solves the problem. He prefers storm troopers and the suspension of due process for ALL AMERICANS as well as anyone else, despite the plain words in the US Constitution.

Biden could have used executive orders in the same manner as any other POTUS would have to control the flow of migrants crossing the border. That's what needed to be done until Congress got their act together with formal legislation. EOs should be last resort but when they're absolutely necessary, there should be no hesitation.

Biden is gone now and his immigration failures are no longer a Dem political problem. Any failures going forward are on Trump until 2029.

You are not getting it. Trump used executive orders, and it was challenged in court and the US/Executive Branch lost. So no, Biden couldn't do that, he needed the Congress to act and they didn't because Trump told them not to. Now, Trump is acting illegally, but you are totally fine with it.

Biden signed an EO in 2024 to reduce the incoming flow of migrants. He could have issued the same EO in 2021, nimrod.

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

PP here. It is a huge problem, for sure; but Democrats who minimize the impact (many on this forum) are likely not impacted by the burden placed on social services, hospitals, and schools.

PP left out that the border would remain open to thousands streaming across until it could be closed. If it had required the border be closed completely, Trump might have supported it (but Democrats wouldn't).

Yes all those Texas Republicans would line up behind closing the border. You live in a fantasy world.

Umm, they did and support Trump doing just that.

No there are thousands of people and goods crossing the board each day. Greg Abbott tried to shut down the border with some scheme and caused huge backups at the border. I guess bribes were paid and Abbott quickly let cross border traffic resume. Though not before a good chunk of traffic started going to other states’ boarding crossings. Though border businesses in Texas still have not recovered from that fiasco.

Abbott put his own police officers at the border when Biden refused to control the flow of people. He installed buoys in the Rio Grande to discourage people from crossing. Last I checked he is a Republican.

It's not necessarily that Biden refused to control the flow. He just removed certain band aid protocols that were in place to control the flow before there was appropriate long term fix legislation in place to control the flow. His actions or inaction in that regard is inexplicable. Not as troubling as when Trump sat in The White House for 3 hours and ignored pleas for his help as a mob of hundreds were seeking to hang his VP but Biden's failures in this regard are troubling as well.

He deliberately refused to control the flow. If he or Harris had won on 2024, the next move would've been mass amnesty of those millions for sure.

No, he did not deliberately refuse to control the flow. That is a right wing BS talking point. He didn't have the same tools Trump had because they were struck down in court. The fix is legislative and there was a deal on the table that gave the GOP 80% of what it wanted. Both Biden and Harris said they would sign it. Trump never said he would. He doesn't want a fox that solves the problem. He prefers storm troopers and the suspension of due process for ALL AMERICANS as well as anyone else, despite the plain words in the US Constitution.

Biden could have used executive orders in the same manner as any other POTUS would have to control the flow of migrants crossing the border. That's what needed to be done until Congress got their act together with formal legislation. EOs should be last resort but when they're absolutely necessary, there should be no hesitation.

Biden is gone now and his immigration failures are no longer a Dem political problem. Any failures going forward are on Trump until 2029.

You are not getting it. Trump used executive orders, and it was challenged in court and the US/Executive Branch lost. So no, Biden couldn't do that, he needed the Congress to act and they didn't because Trump told them not to. Now, Trump is acting illegally, but you are totally fine with it.

Biden signed an EO in 2024 to reduce the incoming flow of migrants. He could have issued the same EO in 2021, nimrod.

+1 but chose not to so more could enter and stay

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

Yet no bill passed, and this legal discretion is being done differently. No one is being let in now.
Biden chose to use parole to let people in. Biden chose to use CPBOne to let people in, while Trump has renamed it CPBHome and is using it to send people away.
Biden chose to end Remain in Mexico. Trump reinstated it.
No court told Biden to stop building a wall, including canceling contracts and paying contractors to do nothing.

What Trump is doing now is not legal. But you don't care.

What those immigrants did was iillegal, and you don't care.

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

PP here. It is a huge problem, for sure; but Democrats who minimize the impact (many on this forum) are likely not impacted by the burden placed on social services, hospitals, and schools.

PP left out that the border would remain open to thousands streaming across until it could be closed. If it had required the border be closed completely, Trump might have supported it (but Democrats wouldn't).

Yes all those Texas Republicans would line up behind closing the border. You live in a fantasy world.

Umm, they did and support Trump doing just that.

No there are thousands of people and goods crossing the board each day. Greg Abbott tried to shut down the border with some scheme and caused huge backups at the border. I guess bribes were paid and Abbott quickly let cross border traffic resume. Though not before a good chunk of traffic started going to other states’ boarding crossings. Though border businesses in Texas still have not recovered from that fiasco.

Abbott put his own police officers at the border when Biden refused to control the flow of people. He installed buoys in the Rio Grande to discourage people from crossing. Last I checked he is a Republican.

It's not necessarily that Biden refused to control the flow. He just removed certain band aid protocols that were in place to control the flow before there was appropriate long term fix legislation in place to control the flow. His actions or inaction in that regard is inexplicable. Not as troubling as when Trump sat in The White House for 3 hours and ignored pleas for his help as a mob of hundreds were seeking to hang his VP but Biden's failures in this regard are troubling as well.

He deliberately refused to control the flow. If he or Harris had won on 2024, the next move would've been mass amnesty of those millions for sure.

No, he did not deliberately refuse to control the flow. That is a right wing BS talking point. He didn't have the same tools Trump had because they were struck down in court. The fix is legislative and there was a deal on the table that gave the GOP 80% of what it wanted. Both Biden and Harris said they would sign it. Trump never said he would. He doesn't want a fox that solves the problem. He prefers storm troopers and the suspension of due process for ALL AMERICANS as well as anyone else, despite the plain words in the US Constitution.

Biden could have used executive orders in the same manner as any other POTUS would have to control the flow of migrants crossing the border. That's what needed to be done until Congress got their act together with formal legislation. EOs should be last resort but when they're absolutely necessary, there should be no hesitation.

Biden is gone now and his immigration failures are no longer a Dem political problem. Any failures going forward are on Trump until 2029.

You are not getting it. Trump used executive orders, and it was challenged in court and the US/Executive Branch lost. So no, Biden couldn't do that, he needed the Congress to act and they didn't because Trump told them not to. Now, Trump is acting illegally, but you are totally fine with it.

DP. Laws enforcing the border are already on the books. Biden simply refused to enforce them. Instead, he granted parole and TPS by EO. Funny that...

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

Yet no bill passed, and this legal discretion is being done differently. No one is being let in now.
Biden chose to use parole to let people in. Biden chose to use CPBOne to let people in, while Trump has renamed it CPBHome and is using it to send people away.
Biden chose to end Remain in Mexico. Trump reinstated it.
No court told Biden to stop building a wall, including canceling contracts and paying contractors to do nothing.

What Trump is doing now is not legal. But you don't care.

What those immigrants did was iillegal, and you don't care.

Seeking asylum is part of both international treaty and being a human. They have a right to have their asylum cases heard. Biden and the Dems want more judges so the cases can be heard faster. The GOP is for ignoring international law and the US Constitution and sending these people to a gulag.

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

Yet no bill passed, and this legal discretion is being done differently. No one is being let in now.
Biden chose to use parole to let people in. Biden chose to use CPBOne to let people in, while Trump has renamed it CPBHome and is using it to send people away.
Biden chose to end Remain in Mexico. Trump reinstated it.
No court told Biden to stop building a wall, including canceling contracts and paying contractors to do nothing.

What Trump is doing now is not legal. But you don't care.

What those immigrants did was iillegal, and you don't care.

Seeking asylum is part of both international treaty and being a human. They have a right to have their asylum cases heard. Biden and the Dems want more judges so the cases can be heard faster. The GOP is for ignoring international law and the US Constitution and sending these people to a gulag.

Asylum does not mean millions of immigrants crossing the border illegally without any vetting to get "lost" in the system and have anchor babies while a ccessing services for free.

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

Yet no bill passed, and this legal discretion is being done differently. No one is being let in now.
Biden chose to use parole to let people in. Biden chose to use CPBOne to let people in, while Trump has renamed it CPBHome and is using it to send people away.
Biden chose to end Remain in Mexico. Trump reinstated it.
No court told Biden to stop building a wall, including canceling contracts and paying contractors to do nothing.

What Trump is doing now is not legal. But you don't care.

What those immigrants did was iillegal, and you don't care.

Seeking asylum is part of both international treaty and being a human. They have a right to have their asylum cases heard. Biden and the Dems want more judges so the cases can be heard faster. The GOP is for ignoring international law and the US Constitution and sending these people to a gulag.

Asylum does not mean millions of immigrants crossing the border illegally without any vetting to get "lost" in the system and have anchor babies while a ccessing services for free.

They also don't get to be counted for the Census to allocate congressional seats and electoral college votes to blue states.

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

Yet no bill passed, and this legal discretion is being done differently. No one is being let in now.
Biden chose to use parole to let people in. Biden chose to use CPBOne to let people in, while Trump has renamed it CPBHome and is using it to send people away.
Biden chose to end Remain in Mexico. Trump reinstated it.
No court told Biden to stop building a wall, including canceling contracts and paying contractors to do nothing.

What Trump is doing now is not legal. But you don't care.

What those immigrants did was iillegal, and you don't care.

Seeking asylum is part of both international treaty and being a human. They have a right to have their asylum cases heard. Biden and the Dems want more judges so the cases can be heard faster. The GOP is for ignoring international law and the US Constitution and sending these people to a gulag.

Asylum does not mean millions of immigrants crossing the border illegally without any vetting to get "lost" in the system and have anchor babies while a ccessing services for free.

They also don't get to be counted for the Census to allocate congressional seats and electoral college votes to blue states.

Oh, so NOW, we care about factual census counts. Mmmmokay.

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

PP here. It is a huge problem, for sure; but Democrats who minimize the impact (many on this forum) are likely not impacted by the burden placed on social services, hospitals, and schools.

PP left out that the border would remain open to thousands streaming across until it could be closed. If it had required the border be closed completely, Trump might have supported it (but Democrats wouldn't).

Yes all those Texas Republicans would line up behind closing the border. You live in a fantasy world.

Umm, they did and support Trump doing just that.

No there are thousands of people and goods crossing the board each day. Greg Abbott tried to shut down the border with some scheme and caused huge backups at the border. I guess bribes were paid and Abbott quickly let cross border traffic resume. Though not before a good chunk of traffic started going to other states’ boarding crossings. Though border businesses in Texas still have not recovered from that fiasco.

Abbott put his own police officers at the border when Biden refused to control the flow of people. He installed buoys in the Rio Grande to discourage people from crossing. Last I checked he is a Republican.

It's not necessarily that Biden refused to control the flow. He just removed certain band aid protocols that were in place to control the flow before there was appropriate long term fix legislation in place to control the flow. His actions or inaction in that regard is inexplicable. Not as troubling as when Trump sat in The White House for 3 hours and ignored pleas for his help as a mob of hundreds were seeking to hang his VP but Biden's failures in this regard are troubling as well.

He deliberately refused to control the flow. If he or Harris had won on 2024, the next move would've been mass amnesty of those millions for sure.

No, he did not deliberately refuse to control the flow. That is a right wing BS talking point. He didn't have the same tools Trump had because they were struck down in court. The fix is legislative and there was a deal on the table that gave the GOP 80% of what it wanted. Both Biden and Harris said they would sign it. Trump never said he would. He doesn't want a fox that solves the problem. He prefers storm troopers and the suspension of due process for ALL AMERICANS as well as anyone else, despite the plain words in the US Constitution.

Biden definitely refused to control it. Within weeks of January 2025, the border numbers are down 94% without a single new law being passed. When you let people know you are serious about security, they listen. Biden and all Democrats essentially say that they care about border security and then turn the other way with a proverbial wink and let in millons flow across the border.

You are mixing issues. There is no due process suspended for Americans at the border.

You are not paying attention.

I am.

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

PP here. It is a huge problem, for sure; but Democrats who minimize the impact (many on this forum) are likely not impacted by the burden placed on social services, hospitals, and schools.

PP left out that the border would remain open to thousands streaming across until it could be closed. If it had required the border be closed completely, Trump might have supported it (but Democrats wouldn't).

Yes all those Texas Republicans would line up behind closing the border. You live in a fantasy world.

Umm, they did and support Trump doing just that.

No there are thousands of people and goods crossing the board each day. Greg Abbott tried to shut down the border with some scheme and caused huge backups at the border. I guess bribes were paid and Abbott quickly let cross border traffic resume. Though not before a good chunk of traffic started going to other states’ boarding crossings. Though border businesses in Texas still have not recovered from that fiasco.

Abbott put his own police officers at the border when Biden refused to control the flow of people. He installed buoys in the Rio Grande to discourage people from crossing. Last I checked he is a Republican.

It's not necessarily that Biden refused to control the flow. He just removed certain band aid protocols that were in place to control the flow before there was appropriate long term fix legislation in place to control the flow. His actions or inaction in that regard is inexplicable. Not as troubling as when Trump sat in The White House for 3 hours and ignored pleas for his help as a mob of hundreds were seeking to hang his VP but Biden's failures in this regard are troubling as well.

He deliberately refused to control the flow. If he or Harris had won on 2024, the next move would've been mass amnesty of those millions for sure.

No, he did not deliberately refuse to control the flow. That is a right wing BS talking point. He didn't have the same tools Trump had because they were struck down in court. The fix is legislative and there was a deal on the table that gave the GOP 80% of what it wanted. Both Biden and Harris said they would sign it. Trump never said he would. He doesn't want a fox that solves the problem. He prefers storm troopers and the suspension of due process for ALL AMERICANS as well as anyone else, despite the plain words in the US Constitution.

Biden definitely refused to control it. Within weeks of January 2025, the border numbers are down 94% without a single new law being passed. When you let people know you are serious about security, they listen. Biden and all Democrats essentially say that they care about border security and then turn the other way with a proverbial wink and let in millons flow across the border.

You are mixing issues. There is no due process suspended for Americans at the border.

You are not paying attention.

I am.

Clearly not closely enough if you believe what you typed.

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Anonymous wrote:It actually won’t save us in the long run. The resources to do this costs money and the lost economic benefits cost money- it is a lose-lose to stroke your hate.

You are correct (see below). But it's never been about the money. Americans have been railing against certain groups of migrants since our founding.

Studies estimate mass deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants costs $315-$967.9 billion, with detention alone at $167.8 billion. They contribute $96.7 billion annually in taxes, potentially rising to $136.9 billion with work authorization. Legalization could add $1.5-$1.7 trillion to GDP over 10 years. From a financial perspective, legalizing undocumented immigrants is more beneficial.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org
https://unidosus.org
https://itep.org

Yes, it's very expensive and due process takes a very long time. Such a shame that Biden and his cohorts thought it was okay to allow millions to cross the border with little to no vetting and then allow them to get lost in the system and give birth to anchor babies reside in sanctuary cities, go free with little to no bail if they committed crimes, enroll kids in school with no questions asked, etc.

Biden was following international and US law. The courts overtuned tools that Trump had used so Biden didn't have the same legal discretion. That is why the bi-partisan bill was needed, to fix the rules and add funding for more administrative judges to hear these cases more expediently. The bill also would have funded fentenyl scanners at the border. But trump got the GOP to tank the bill, so we still don't have a good solution. But unleashing ICE and flouting Habeas Corpus are not good solutions.

PP here. It is a huge problem, for sure; but Democrats who minimize the impact (many on this forum) are likely not impacted by the burden placed on social services, hospitals, and schools.

PP left out that the border would remain open to thousands streaming across until it could be closed. If it had required the border be closed completely, Trump might have supported it (but Democrats wouldn't).

Yes all those Texas Republicans would line up behind closing the border. You live in a fantasy world.

Umm, they did and support Trump doing just that.

No there are thousands of people and goods crossing the board each day. Greg Abbott tried to shut down the border with some scheme and caused huge backups at the border. I guess bribes were paid and Abbott quickly let cross border traffic resume. Though not before a good chunk of traffic started going to other states’ boarding crossings. Though border businesses in Texas still have not recovered from that fiasco.

Abbott put his own police officers at the border when Biden refused to control the flow of people. He installed buoys in the Rio Grande to discourage people from crossing. Last I checked he is a Republican.

It's not necessarily that Biden refused to control the flow. He just removed certain band aid protocols that were in place to control the flow before there was appropriate long term fix legislation in place to control the flow. His actions or inaction in that regard is inexplicable. Not as troubling as when Trump sat in The White House for 3 hours and ignored pleas for his help as a mob of hundreds were seeking to hang his VP but Biden's failures in this regard are troubling as well.

He deliberately refused to control the flow. If he or Harris had won on 2024, the next move would've been mass amnesty of those millions for sure.

No, he did not deliberately refuse to control the flow. That is a right wing BS talking point. He didn't have the same tools Trump had because they were struck down in court. The fix is legislative and there was a deal on the table that gave the GOP 80% of what it wanted. Both Biden and Harris said they would sign it. Trump never said he would. He doesn't want a fox that solves the problem. He prefers storm troopers and the suspension of due process for ALL AMERICANS as well as anyone else, despite the plain words in the US Constitution.

Biden definitely refused to control it. Within weeks of January 2025, the border numbers are down 94% without a single new law being passed. When you let people know you are serious about security, they listen. Biden and all Democrats essentially say that they care about border security and then turn the other way with a proverbial wink and let in millons flow across the border.

You are mixing issues. There is no due process suspended for Americans at the border.

You are not paying attention.

I am.

Clearly not closely enough if you believe what you typed.

You're confused.

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Who is going to work in slaughterhouses, packing plants, wipe your 90 year old MIL's ass so you don't have to, etc.?
Best start a "all kids don't need education past HS and dropouts can get good minimum wage jobs" thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is going to work in slaughterhouses, packing plants, wipe your 90 year old MIL's ass so you don't have to, etc.?
Best start a "all kids don't need education past HS and dropouts can get good minimum wage jobs" thread.

Always love these responses. Yes! Let's continue to allow big businesses to exploit poor and vulnerable people! That'll really show our integrity! Don't forget to add the bit about apples going up to $12. Oh and what about your lawn?!?11 who will mow that??? You big shots gonna wash your own cars too??

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Anonymous wrote:Who is going to work in slaughterhouses, packing plants, wipe your 90 year old MIL's ass so you don't have to, etc.?
Best start a "all kids don't need education past HS and dropouts can get good minimum wage jobs" thread.

Always love these responses. Yes! Let's continue to allow big businesses to exploit poor and vulnerable people! That'll really show our integrity! Don't forget to add the bit about apples going up to $12. Oh and what about your lawn?!?11 who will mow that??? You big shots gonna wash your own cars too??

It's actually a two-fer as far as Democrats are concerned. Cheap labor AND votes.