immmigrant haters: do you really want to be like Japan?

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Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

+1

In fairness, Danders and Warren want to give a lot of free stuff to everyone, not just illegals. I get that it is confusing though because most of their rhetoric is for immigrants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

+1

In fairness, Danders and Warren want to give a lot of free stuff to everyone, not just illegals. I get that it is confusing though because most of their rhetoric is for immigrants.

And that's a big problem for two reasons:

1) Why SHOULD most of their rhetoric be for immigrants? The PRIMARY concern should be for current U.S. citizens.
2) And it's not just "immigrants." They are specifically outlining the benefits they want to provide to people who violated our laws and are here illegally.

IOW: Trump wins.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your concern is to replenish the tax base, then it seems that welcoming masses of minimum-wage people who are likely to require substantial - and costly - public benefits. A much better solution would be to increase the number of educated, well-paid immigrants whose incomes, spending and attendant tax contributions will inject much more fuel into the economy.

Bingo.

No. We need immigrants in services, agriculture, construction, etc. The reason we have so many undocumented immigrants is because there is a demand for them that the legal immigration system does not meet. These people come here and work harder than anyone and contribute to our economy. The legal immigration system is not working.

Is it your contention that there are physically no able-bodied Americans capable of working in services, construction or agriculture? No? Could it be that the demand for them is cut from the same cloth as the demand for Bangladeshi construction workers in Dubai?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your concern is to replenish the tax base, then it seems that welcoming masses of minimum-wage people who are likely to require substantial - and costly - public benefits. A much better solution would be to increase the number of educated, well-paid immigrants whose incomes, spending and attendant tax contributions will inject much more fuel into the economy.

Bingo.

No. We need immigrants in services, agriculture, construction, etc. The reason we have so many undocumented immigrants is because there is a demand for them that the legal immigration system does not meet. These people come here and work harder than anyone and contribute to our economy. The legal immigration system is not working.

Is it your contention that there are physically no able-bodied Americans capable of working in services, construction or agriculture? No? Could it be that the demand for them is cut from the same cloth as the demand for Bangladeshi construction workers in Dubai?

DP but I would like to see some numbers on this. What is the number of unemployed Americans look like compared to the # jobs filled by illegals or those on visas?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your concern is to replenish the tax base, then it seems that welcoming masses of minimum-wage people who are likely to require substantial - and costly - public benefits. A much better solution would be to increase the number of educated, well-paid immigrants whose incomes, spending and attendant tax contributions will inject much more fuel into the economy.

Bingo.

No. We need immigrants in services, agriculture, construction, etc. The reason we have so many undocumented immigrants is because there is a demand for them that the legal immigration system does not meet. These people come here and work harder than anyone and contribute to our economy. The legal immigration system is not working.

Is it your contention that there are physically no able-bodied Americans capable of working in services, construction or agriculture? No? Could it be that the demand for them is cut from the same cloth as the demand for Bangladeshi construction workers in Dubai?

DP but I would like to see some numbers on this. What is the number of unemployed Americans look like compared to the # jobs filled by illegals or those on visas?

Lots of research on that showing no negative impact:

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=23550
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/anthropology-in-practice/what-are-the-jobs-that-immigrants-do/
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2017/9/cato-journal-v37n3-3.pdf
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-immigration-actually-helps-native-born-us-workers-2017-11-04
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-immigration-economy-development/think-immigrants-steal-jobs-think-again-analysts-idUSKBN1FD2CR (global perspective)
https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/immigrant-and-native-workers-compete-different-low-skilled-jobs
https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/in-america-immigrants-really-do-get-the-job-done (focus on highly-skilled)
https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/files/el2010-26.pdf

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the immigrants that are going to Japan are from neighboring asian countries.

Not latinx, Africans, or middle easterners

It's not comparable at all

why is that different, unless you believe that all asians are the same?

Nothing to do with all asians being the same. They arent.

It has everything to do with koreans, chinese, and SE asians having much higher human capital compared to the three groups I mentioned

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

I've posted a kagillion articles rebutting this, from all over the political spectrum.

DP

And you can post all the BS articles you want. The data means nothing because it can be manipulated to support either side.

But for those of us who live in communities with high numbers of illegal immigrants, we see exactly what kind of a toll it takes on the neighborhood. Financially and otherwise.

I’m sorry you are still stuck in this situation. Can you move? Or would you lose a lot of money on your house?

PP here

Spouse and I are currently having this very discussion. We are lucky in that we've paid off a good chunk of our mortgage, and can leave. Two of our neighbors have already left, and one family skips MCPS for private school. However, we're not sure where to go! MoCo has had illegal immigration affect the entire county. From what I understand, Fairfax County faces similar challenges.

We'll see. We're not the only ones in our Middle Class suburb wrestling with this issue, however. And, we're not White, FWIW. We've lived in a very diverse, solidly middle class area on MoCo for over 15 years, but recent years have led to a complete lack on housing code enforcement, etc, which has led to declines in our neighborhood. It's been a bummer to watch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

I've posted a kagillion articles rebutting this, from all over the political spectrum.

DP

And you can post all the BS articles you want. The data means nothing because it can be manipulated to support either side.

But for those of us who live in communities with high numbers of illegal immigrants, we see exactly what kind of a toll it takes on the neighborhood. Financially and otherwise.

I’m sorry you are still stuck in this situation. Can you move? Or would you lose a lot of money on your house?

PP here

Spouse and I are currently having this very discussion. We are lucky in that we've paid off a good chunk of our mortgage, and can leave. Two of our neighbors have already left, and one family skips MCPS for private school. However, we're not sure where to go! MoCo has had illegal immigration affect the entire county. From what I understand, Fairfax County faces similar challenges.

We'll see. We're not the only ones in our Middle Class suburb wrestling with this issue, however. And, we're not White, FWIW. We've lived in a very diverse, solidly middle class area on MoCo for over 15 years, but recent years have led to a complete lack on housing code enforcement, etc, which has led to declines in our neighborhood. It's been a bummer to watch.

DP. My parents' neighborhood has really gone downhill too as a result of the influx of non-English speaking immgrants, a percentage of which are illegal. (The school rating is a 3, and the worst in MoCo.) The majority of students are on free lunches and a very high percentage are ESOL. There are five and six cars in front of many houses, with multiple families squeezed into SFHs. It's sad. It used to be an upper-middle class neighborhood when I lived there.

Anyone who claims that an influx of uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking families does not bring down a neighborhood doesn't live in one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

I've posted a kagillion articles rebutting this, from all over the political spectrum.

DP

And you can post all the BS articles you want. The data means nothing because it can be manipulated to support either side.

But for those of us who live in communities with high numbers of illegal immigrants, we see exactly what kind of a toll it takes on the neighborhood. Financially and otherwise.

I’m sorry you are still stuck in this situation. Can you move? Or would you lose a lot of money on your house?

PP here

Spouse and I are currently having this very discussion. We are lucky in that we've paid off a good chunk of our mortgage, and can leave. Two of our neighbors have already left, and one family skips MCPS for private school. However, we're not sure where to go! MoCo has had illegal immigration affect the entire county. From what I understand, Fairfax County faces similar challenges.

We'll see. We're not the only ones in our Middle Class suburb wrestling with this issue, however. And, we're not White, FWIW. We've lived in a very diverse, solidly middle class area on MoCo for over 15 years, but recent years have led to a complete lack on housing code enforcement, etc, which has led to declines in our neighborhood. It's been a bummer to watch.

Calvert County.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most of the immigrants that are going to Japan are from neighboring asian countries.

Not latinx, Africans, or middle easterners

It's not comparable at all

why is that different, unless you believe that all asians are the same?

Nothing to do with all asians being the same. They arent.

It has everything to do with koreans, chinese, and SE asians having much higher human capital compared to the three groups I mentioned

Ok dude. Your racism is showing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

I've posted a kagillion articles rebutting this, from all over the political spectrum.

DP

And you can post all the BS articles you want. The data means nothing because it can be manipulated to support either side.

But for those of us who live in communities with high numbers of illegal immigrants, we see exactly what kind of a toll it takes on the neighborhood. Financially and otherwise.

I’m sorry you are still stuck in this situation. Can you move? Or would you lose a lot of money on your house?

PP here

Spouse and I are currently having this very discussion. We are lucky in that we've paid off a good chunk of our mortgage, and can leave. Two of our neighbors have already left, and one family skips MCPS for private school. However, we're not sure where to go! MoCo has had illegal immigration affect the entire county. From what I understand, Fairfax County faces similar challenges.

We'll see. We're not the only ones in our Middle Class suburb wrestling with this issue, however. And, we're not White, FWIW. We've lived in a very diverse, solidly middle class area on MoCo for over 15 years, but recent years have led to a complete lack on housing code enforcement, etc, which has led to declines in our neighborhood. It's been a bummer to watch.

DP. My parents' neighborhood has really gone downhill too as a result of the influx of non-English speaking immgrants, a percentage of which are illegal. (The school rating is a 3, and the worst in MoCo.) The majority of students are on free lunches and a very high percentage are ESOL. There are five and six cars in front of many houses, with multiple families squeezed into SFHs. It's sad. It used to be an upper-middle class neighborhood when I lived there.

Anyone who claims that an influx of uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking families does not bring down a neighborhood doesn't live in one.

We should just have laws so landlords don't have to rent to teh Mexicans and banks don't have to make mortgages to them, amirite?

[Anonymous]

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Anyone who claims that an influx of uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking families does not bring down a neighborhood doesn't live in one.

"No one goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

[Anonymous]

The arguments over this crack me up. Very few politicians REALLY want to stop illegal immigration. Because if it truly was stopped, prices/wages would have to increase and there would be labor shortages in certain sectors. Business owners (many of whom are republican donors) would be pissed. At least the current crop of Dems are honest about it. Trump’s own businesses have employed undocumented workers. Come on guys, you’re smarter than this.

[Anonymous]

Border security is my #1 concern.