immmigrant haters: do you really want to be like Japan?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing you posted says we need more unskilled immigrants.

I'm so confused, but who posted this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/business/economy/immigrants-skills-economy-jobs.html

But it is largely wrong. It misses many things: that less-skilled immigrants are also consumers of American-made goods and services; that their cheap labor raises economic output and also reduces prices. It misses the fact that their children tend to have substantially more skills. In fact, the children of immigrants contribute more to state fiscal coffers than do other native-born Americans, according to a report by the National Academies.

What is critical to understand, in light of the current political debate, is that contrary to conventional wisdom, less-skilled immigration does not just knock less-educated Americans out of their jobs. It often leads to the creation of new jobs — at better wages — for natives, too. Notably, it can help many Americans to move up the income ladder. And by stimulating investment and reallocating work, it increases productivity.

Projection and nothing else. Get your natives to wash dishes instead of lobbying for creation of the permanent underclass.

You've got to drop the "permanent underclass" line, because it's not working. Allowing our economy to continue to use illegal labor is what creates the underclass. Regularlizing labor is what makes them socially mobile.

Even as it is now, immigration creates social mobility in families:

"their children tend to have substantially more skills. In fact, the children of immigrants contribute more to state fiscal coffers than do other native-born Americans, according to a report by the National Academies."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/business/economy/immigrants-skills-economy-jobs.html

You’ve got to stop pretending someone died and made you honorary marshal of this thread. It will go the way it will go.

[Anonymous]

Most of the immigrants that are going to Japan are from neighboring asian countries.

Not latinx, Africans, or middle easterners

It's not comparable at all

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing you posted says we need more unskilled immigrants.

I'm so confused, but who posted this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/business/economy/immigrants-skills-economy-jobs.html

But it is largely wrong. It misses many things: that less-skilled immigrants are also consumers of American-made goods and services; that their cheap labor raises economic output and also reduces prices. It misses the fact that their children tend to have substantially more skills. In fact, the children of immigrants contribute more to state fiscal coffers than do other native-born Americans, according to a report by the National Academies.

What is critical to understand, in light of the current political debate, is that contrary to conventional wisdom, less-skilled immigration does not just knock less-educated Americans out of their jobs. It often leads to the creation of new jobs — at better wages — for natives, too. Notably, it can help many Americans to move up the income ladder. And by stimulating investment and reallocating work, it increases productivity.

Projection and nothing else. Get your natives to wash dishes instead of lobbying for creation of the permanent underclass.

You've got to drop the "permanent underclass" line, because it's not working. Allowing our economy to continue to use illegal labor is what creates the underclass. Regularlizing labor is what makes them socially mobile.

Even as it is now, immigration creates social mobility in families:

"their children tend to have substantially more skills. In fact, the children of immigrants contribute more to state fiscal coffers than do other native-born Americans, according to a report by the National Academies."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/business/economy/immigrants-skills-economy-jobs.html

That their children have more skills is not a tall bar to clear, considering that their parents have nine. Children of educated affluent immigrants also have more skills and contribute to state coffers so why the preference for the illiterate?

[Anonymous]

None not nine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Demographic issues can be solved with educated immigrants.

And automation

yes, robot nurses in your old age, just like how we started this thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing you posted says we need more unskilled immigrants.

I'm so confused, but who posted this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/business/economy/immigrants-skills-economy-jobs.html

But it is largely wrong. It misses many things: that less-skilled immigrants are also consumers of American-made goods and services; that their cheap labor raises economic output and also reduces prices. It misses the fact that their children tend to have substantially more skills. In fact, the children of immigrants contribute more to state fiscal coffers than do other native-born Americans, according to a report by the National Academies.

What is critical to understand, in light of the current political debate, is that contrary to conventional wisdom, less-skilled immigration does not just knock less-educated Americans out of their jobs. It often leads to the creation of new jobs — at better wages — for natives, too. Notably, it can help many Americans to move up the income ladder. And by stimulating investment and reallocating work, it increases productivity.

Projection and nothing else. Get your natives to wash dishes instead of lobbying for creation of the permanent underclass.

You've got to drop the "permanent underclass" line, because it's not working. Allowing our economy to continue to use illegal labor is what creates the underclass. Regularlizing labor is what makes them socially mobile.

Even as it is now, immigration creates social mobility in families:

"their children tend to have substantially more skills. In fact, the children of immigrants contribute more to state fiscal coffers than do other native-born Americans, according to a report by the National Academies."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/business/economy/immigrants-skills-economy-jobs.html

That their children have more skills is not a tall bar to clear, considering that their parents have nine. Children of educated affluent immigrants also have more skills and contribute to state coffers so why the preference for the illiterate?

because somebody has to pick the fruits and vegetables?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the immigrants that are going to Japan are from neighboring asian countries.

Not latinx, Africans, or middle easterners

It's not comparable at all

why is that different, unless you believe that all asians are the same?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

I've posted a kagillion articles rebutting this, from all over the political spectrum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

I've posted a kagillion articles rebutting this, from all over the political spectrum.

DP

And you can post all the BS articles you want. The data means nothing because it can be manipulated to support either side.

But for those of us who live in communities with high numbers of illegal immigrants, we see exactly what kind of a toll it takes on the neighborhood. Financially and otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing you posted says we need more unskilled immigrants.

I'm so confused, but who posted this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/business/economy/immigrants-skills-economy-jobs.html

But it is largely wrong. It misses many things: that less-skilled immigrants are also consumers of American-made goods and services; that their cheap labor raises economic output and also reduces prices. It misses the fact that their children tend to have substantially more skills. In fact, the children of immigrants contribute more to state fiscal coffers than do other native-born Americans, according to a report by the National Academies.

What is critical to understand, in light of the current political debate, is that contrary to conventional wisdom, less-skilled immigration does not just knock less-educated Americans out of their jobs. It often leads to the creation of new jobs — at better wages — for natives, too. Notably, it can help many Americans to move up the income ladder. And by stimulating investment and reallocating work, it increases productivity.

Projection and nothing else. Get your natives to wash dishes instead of lobbying for creation of the permanent underclass.

You've got to drop the "permanent underclass" line, because it's not working. Allowing our economy to continue to use illegal labor is what creates the underclass. Regularlizing labor is what makes them socially mobile.

Even as it is now, immigration creates social mobility in families:

"their children tend to have substantially more skills. In fact, the children of immigrants contribute more to state fiscal coffers than do other native-born Americans, according to a report by the National Academies."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/08/business/economy/immigrants-skills-economy-jobs.html

That their children have more skills is not a tall bar to clear, considering that their parents have nine. Children of educated affluent immigrants also have more skills and contribute to state coffers so why the preference for the illiterate?

because somebody has to pick the fruits and vegetables?

Get your natives to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For all those who rail against "illegals" -- do you really want us to end up like Japan, with a super-aging population, and not enough workers to support the economy? And now that Japan is trying to get immigrants, the immigrants don't want to stay because of xenophobia.

Where exactly do you picture the US ending up if we don't maintain our level of immigration? What's your plan here? Do you want to be cared for by robots in your old age?

If you say "well, we should create a path for legal immigration at the level needed for the workforce, not illegal" ... that is basically the Democratic party platform.

On Japan:

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/21/679103541/japans-population-is-in-rapid-decline

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/japan/2018-08-03/japan-becoming-country-immigration

Are you kidding me? We are so overpopulated as it is.

No one is against LEGAL immigration.

Lettings in over five figures of illegals every month is disgusting. And that is only who is asking for asylum. Not the ones sneaking over, that can not be accounted for.

I don't want to turn into a third world country. We have our own problems. If you want to help the millions and millions of people in South America, Africa, Middle East, etc.. that live in extreme poverty and warfare, you can donate all of your money to do that. Letting people come in relentlessly and then complaining we aren't doing enough for them is so ass backwards. Why not ask all the other non third world countries to take a percentage of all of them. Get planes sponsored by the countries and airliners and fly them to Canada, Greenland, Germany, Japan, Iceland, China, Australia, etc....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

+1

[Anonymous]

The influx in illegal immigration has stagnated wages and increased revenue for the rich. Middle class is shrinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sick- why do you conflate illegal and legal immigration. Please just stop.

No. You need to accept that your imputation of immorality to illegal immigrants is not the only possible position. And, please focus on the actual question in the post. Are you able to understand the situation Japan is in due to is immigration policies? Do you understand that people are here illegally because the US economy NEEDS them, and therefore our policies don't actually keep them out?

Again, if what you're saying is that we need to create routes of legal immigration to regularize our labor force - I totally agree. And, this is the Democratic party position.

We are not impugning immorality to illegal aliens. We are starting the obvious, which liberals continue to disregard - they are breaking our laws by coming here the way they do.

And they are not coming here because the U.S. economy needs them. They are a net drain to Americans. They are coming here for the benefits of U.S. residency, which does not justify their flouting the immigration law.

I just wish liberals had the same concern and sympathy for Americans who are struggling than for foreigners who are scofflaws.

I've posted a kagillion articles rebutting this, from all over the political spectrum.

DP

And you can post all the BS articles you want. The data means nothing because it can be manipulated to support either side.

But for those of us who live in communities with high numbers of illegal immigrants, we see exactly what kind of a toll it takes on the neighborhood. Financially and otherwise.

I’m sorry you are still stuck in this situation. Can you move? Or would you lose a lot of money on your house?