The very definition of "standardized" means same test/same testing conditions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poster 20:10 - read the WSJ article. It highlights and reports all that I see at our private wealthy HS. Maybe it would then open your eyes to what it really happening out there. The extended time abuse has gone too far that it now an unfair advantage. The current system has to be changed.

So what did I get wrong, exactly. Because I am in the middle of the system.

And more importantly, are you really feeling your kids they should lie over a long period of time to many people and try to fake testing to get extra time?

And I can’t read the WSJ article— it’s paywall.

If your kid is in a wealthy public (even worse in a private) - where accomodations ranges from 25% to 33% of the population, then your kid without accommodations is at a disadvantage. Not only are extended time given for SAT/ACT but for all the school tests:
1. GPA - especially if the grading is on a curve
2. Class ranking that is based on GPA
3. Merit scholarships - some colleges give $ based on class ranking
4. NSMF - some colleges give $
And so on
5. College - application for scholarships and top grad schools.

Do you see how this cascades over? The system is broken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poster 20:10 - read the WSJ article. It highlights and reports all that I see at our private wealthy HS. Maybe it would then open your eyes to what it really happening out there. The extended time abuse has gone too far that it now an unfair advantage. The current system has to be changed.

Yep.. super easy to get extended time.

https://accommodations.collegeboard.org/documentation-guidelines/extended-time

PS — you work with the school to get accommodations. why is your “private wealthy” school letting kids fake it? That sounds... illegal.

Wealthy families has $$ to buy diagnosis. Private school who depend on donations are not going to challenge a doctor diagnosis. And College Board depend on school and approves 94% of accommodation requests.

Link to the 94%? CB says it will not release a number or specific percentage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poster 20:10 - read the WSJ article. It highlights and reports all that I see at our private wealthy HS. Maybe it would then open your eyes to what it really happening out there. The extended time abuse has gone too far that it now an unfair advantage. The current system has to be changed.

Yep.. super easy to get extended time.

https://accommodations.collegeboard.org/documentation-guidelines/extended-time

PS — you work with the school to get accommodations. why is your “private wealthy” school letting kids fake it? That sounds... illegal.

Wealthy families has $$ to buy diagnosis. Private school who depend on donations are not going to challenge a doctor diagnosis. And College Board depend on school and approves 94% of accommodation requests.

Link to the 94%? CB says it will not release a number or specific percentage.

In the WSJ article

[Anonymous]

https://www.educationdive.com/news/colleges-face-increasing-number-of-students-seeking-learning-accommodations/524373/

This article last year cites the 94% approval rate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poster 20:10 - read the WSJ article. It highlights and reports all that I see at our private wealthy HS. Maybe it would then open your eyes to what it really happening out there. The extended time abuse has gone too far that it now an unfair advantage. The current system has to be changed.

So what did I get wrong, exactly. Because I am in the middle of the system.

And more importantly, are you really feeling your kids they should lie over a long period of time to many people and try to fake testing to get extra time?

And I can’t read the WSJ article— it’s paywall.

If your kid is in a wealthy public (even worse in a private) - where accomodations ranges from 25% to 33% of the population, then your kid without accommodations is at a disadvantage. Not only are extended time given for SAT/ACT but for all the school tests:
1. GPA - especially if the grading is on a curve
2. Class ranking that is based on GPA
3. Merit scholarships - some colleges give $ based on class ranking
4. NSMF - some colleges give $
And so on
5. College - application for scholarships and top grad schools.

Do you see how this cascades over? The system is broken.

If the national average is 3-4% and some schools have 30%, seems like your problem is with the 26% of kids in your school whose parents are paying to cheat the system, and the school, which has to submit these for not doing it’s due diligence, and not the 4% of kids who have legitimate learning disabilities.

I’m sorry if my kids ADHD is inconvenient for you. It’s sure as heck inconvenient for me, him and his school. But he shouldn’t lose the accommodations he has used consistently for years because your school is full of people with more Mooney than ethics.

If you are so worried your kid can’t keep up without cheating the system, maybe consider enrolling them in a school where cheating isn’t rampant, and an expected part of the college admissions process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Poster 20:10 - read the WSJ article. It highlights and reports all that I see at our private wealthy HS. Maybe it would then open your eyes to what it really happening out there. The extended time abuse has gone too far that it now an unfair advantage. The current system has to be changed.

So what did I get wrong, exactly. Because I am in the middle of the system.

And more importantly, are you really feeling your kids they should lie over a long period of time to many people and try to fake testing to get extra time?

And I can’t read the WSJ article— it’s paywall.

If your kid is in a wealthy public (even worse in a private) - where accomodations ranges from 25% to 33% of the population, then your kid without accommodations is at a disadvantage. Not only are extended time given for SAT/ACT but for all the school tests:
1. GPA - especially if the grading is on a curve
2. Class ranking that is based on GPA
3. Merit scholarships - some colleges give $ based on class ranking
4. NSMF - some colleges give $
And so on
5. College - application for scholarships and top grad schools.

Do you see how this cascades over? The system is broken.

If the national average is 3-4% and some schools have 30%, seems like your problem is with the 26% of kids in your school whose parents are paying to cheat the system, and the school, which has to submit these for not doing it’s due diligence, and not the 4% of kids who have legitimate learning disabilities.

I’m sorry if my kids ADHD is inconvenient for you. It’s sure as heck inconvenient for me, him and his school. But he shouldn’t lose the accommodations he has used consistently for years because your school is full of people with more Mooney than ethics.

If you are so worried your kid can’t keep up without cheating the system, maybe consider enrolling them in a school where cheating isn’t rampant, and an expected part of the college admissions process.

Your critical thinking skills are rusty -You don’t take 30% minus 4% to get 26% cheating. That is not how math and averages work.

The lowest percentage is in poor neighborhood schools. These schools will bring the averages down.

It never amazes me that the parents w accomodations are the ones who want to protect the status quo when clearly the system is broken and unfair to the kids without any extended time accommodations.

[Anonymous]

The idea that because the average is 4% that means that only 4% need it is absurd. Many kids with disabilities particularly those from low to moderate income families are either not given an education that would prepare them for college, or not encouraged to think about college, so they aren’t taking the SAT at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want employees who can do the job in the alotted time. I want to know who cant before I hire them.

That's funny - I want people who can do it the best as long as it doesn't impact the company negatively. If you do a great job and have to stay till 7 when everyone else leaves at 6 - give me a whole team like that

Won’t this lead to burnout? And day after day of grind lead to mistakes in the end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want employees who can do the job in the alotted time. I want to know who cant before I hire them.

That's funny - I want people who can do it the best as long as it doesn't impact the company negatively. If you do a great job and have to stay till 7 when everyone else leaves at 6 - give me a whole team like that

Won’t this lead to burnout? And day after day of grind lead to mistakes in the end.

+1 and what about team projects that are codependent? Does rest of team then wait?

[Anonymous]

You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want employees who can do the job in the alotted time. I want to know who cant before I hire them.

That's funny - I want people who can do it the best as long as it doesn't impact the company negatively. If you do a great job and have to stay till 7 when everyone else leaves at 6 - give me a whole team like that

Won’t this lead to burnout? And day after day of grind lead to mistakes in the end.

+1 and what about team projects that are codependent? Does rest of team then wait?

My son usually let everybody else prepare the project and he presented since most kids were afraid to talk in public. They would seek him out in projects because he was do use to doing everything orally. Also EQ .. very high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

It would also be against ADA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

People who can't walk should not be given wheel chairs because they can go faster than my child can walk and it gives them an unfair advantage. But wait, lets make sure the wheel chair can only go 75% of what a normal person can walk- that will make it fair.

[Anonymous]

So, college cheating scandal has caused people to come after kids with learning disabilities vs. the fake athletic recruitment, donations by wealthy parents, all of the test prepping, etc. Typical nastiness to target the more vulnerable kids and make them into the problem.
I'm sure there are some gaming the system, but I can't imagine my son's neuropsychologist labeling him with an ADHD diagnosis, a learning disability, and recommending thousands of dollars of therapy and brain-changing medication if he didn't actually think it was correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, college cheating scandal has caused people to come after kids with learning disabilities vs. the fake athletic recruitment, donations by wealthy parents, all of the test prepping, etc. Typical nastiness to target the more vulnerable kids and make them into the problem.
I'm sure there are some gaming the system, but I can't imagine my son's neuropsychologist labeling him with an ADHD diagnosis, a learning disability, and recommending thousands of dollars of therapy and brain-changing medication if he didn't actually think it was correct.

*and* there are some here outright saying that they won't hire someone with ADHD and that they should get to know that in advance. I want to point out that it's discriminatory and illegal.