The very definition of "standardized" means same test/same testing conditions

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

People who can't walk should not be given wheel chairs because they can go faster than my child can walk and it gives them an unfair advantage. But wait, lets make sure the wheel chair can only go 75% of what a normal person can walk- that will make it fair.

No. I think this is fair. Your child has a choice.

One of the biggest arguments for accommodations is “my kid isn’t taking your kids spot. He will barely scrap an 1000 with accommodations.”

Nobody is taking a kid’s wheelchair away. They would be giving them accommodations. This benefits the kids above.

The kids who are scoring 1600 with extra time will score a 1400 weigh normal time. I’m not concerned about them. They will be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

I suspect you scored high but your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Colleges are not designed to educate the highest scorers on tests. They are designed to educated people throughout the world and to help those people give back to their community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

I suspect you scored high but your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Colleges are not designed to educate the highest scorers on tests. They are designed to educated people throughout the world and to help those people give back to their community.

The above solution does not take away accommodations. Everyone gets into college.

But, really, cmon. You know darn well colleges are using the SAT to select the strongest students for their applications. The SAT does serve this purpose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The idea that because the average is 4% that means that only 4% need it is absurd. Many kids with disabilities particularly those from low to moderate income families are either not given an education that would prepare them for college, or not encouraged to think about college, so they aren’t taking the SAT at all.

Exactly. It takes resources to get treatment for kids no matter how apparent their need, so the 4% is not a baseline, it's indicative of neglect.

My DC has hearing loss and facial deformities that caused speech delays. The amount of effort the school system put into getting out of providing services far out weighed the time they spent providing therapy. Classroom teachers were shocked that there were no supports. We missed many days of work arguing at meetings, we considered hiring an advocate, but finally gave up. We relied on private therapy, which even with insurance cost a mint (and again required flexible work schedules). Because we fought to keep DC in services longer, I met many other families who cycled through services, and were also told after two sessions that their DC's problem had been solved--that was the norm.

Now this was for a physical disability, imagine the push back for an invisible disability. My DC doesn't receive extra time, but I won't second guess anyone who does. The goal is for everyone to contribute to their fullest. I'm not surprised for a minute that affluent areas receive more services, they have the resources to fight for their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

People who can't walk should not be given wheel chairs because they can go faster than my child can walk and it gives them an unfair advantage. But wait, lets make sure the wheel chair can only go 75% of what a normal person can walk- that will make it fair.

No. I think this is fair. Your child has a choice.

One of the biggest arguments for accommodations is “my kid isn’t taking your kids spot. He will barely scrap an 1000 with accommodations.”

Nobody is taking a kid’s wheelchair away. They would be giving them accommodations. This benefits the kids above.

The kids who are scoring 1600 with extra time will score a 1400 weigh normal time. I’m not concerned about them. They will be fine.

A blind has no choice but to take the SAT with accommodations. It is similar for a child with profound dyslexia or dysgraphia as it is for a child with nerve damage to their hands. I suppose the choice is to take the SATs or not- but I don’t think that is what you are saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

I suspect you scored high but your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Colleges are not designed to educate the highest scorers on tests. They are designed to educated people throughout the world and to help those people give back to their community.

The above solution does not take away accommodations. Everyone gets into college.

But, really, cmon. You know darn well colleges are using the SAT to select the strongest students for their applications. The SAT does serve this purpose.

Is that how they picked the Parkland kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

I suspect you scored high but your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Colleges are not designed to educate the highest scorers on tests. They are designed to educated people throughout the world and to help those people give back to their community.

The above solution does not take away accommodations. Everyone gets into college.

But, really, cmon. You know darn well colleges are using the SAT to select the strongest students for their applications. The SAT does serve this purpose.

DP. The SAT is a first sort, or a tie-breaker at most. You're assigning it outsized meaning. If you don't believe me, sit down and take a sample test right now. Do the questions you miss really capture your deficiencies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

People who can't walk should not be given wheel chairs because they can go faster than my child can walk and it gives them an unfair advantage. But wait, lets make sure the wheel chair can only go 75% of what a normal person can walk- that will make it fair.

No. I think this is fair. Your child has a choice.

One of the biggest arguments for accommodations is “my kid isn’t taking your kids spot. He will barely scrap an 1000 with accommodations.”

Nobody is taking a kid’s wheelchair away. They would be giving them accommodations. This benefits the kids above.

The kids who are scoring 1600 with extra time will score a 1400 weigh normal time. I’m not concerned about them. They will be fine.

A blind has no choice but to take the SAT with accommodations. It is similar for a child with profound dyslexia or dysgraphia as it is for a child with nerve damage to their hands. I suppose the choice is to take the SATs or not- but I don’t think that is what you are saying.

Everyone always brings up the blind and wheelchairs. Not talking about them.

I’m talking about LDs. And you can have accommodations or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

People who can't walk should not be given wheel chairs because they can go faster than my child can walk and it gives them an unfair advantage. But wait, lets make sure the wheel chair can only go 75% of what a normal person can walk- that will make it fair.

No. I think this is fair. Your child has a choice.

One of the biggest arguments for accommodations is “my kid isn’t taking your kids spot. He will barely scrap an 1000 with accommodations.”

Nobody is taking a kid’s wheelchair away. They would be giving them accommodations. This benefits the kids above.

The kids who are scoring 1600 with extra time will score a 1400 weigh normal time. I’m not concerned about them. They will be fine.

A blind has no choice but to take the SAT with accommodations. It is similar for a child with profound dyslexia or dysgraphia as it is for a child with nerve damage to their hands. I suppose the choice is to take the SATs or not- but I don’t think that is what you are saying.

Everyone always brings up the blind and wheelchairs. Not talking about them.

I’m talking about LDs. And you can have accommodations or not.

. The outcome is similar. Both the person with profound dyslexia and the person who is blind need a reader. Both cannot read in the typical way. I don’t see why one counts and the other does not. Neither would be able to take the SAT without accommodations and have the SAT reflect their actual knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want employees who can do the job in the alotted time. I want to know who cant before I hire them.

That's funny - I want people who can do it the best as long as it doesn't impact the company negatively. If you do a great job and have to stay till 7 when everyone else leaves at 6 - give me a whole team like that

Won’t this lead to burnout? And day after day of grind lead to mistakes in the end.

+1 and what about team projects that are codependent? Does rest of team then wait?

My son usually let everybody else prepare the project and he presented since most kids were afraid to talk in public. They would seek him out in projects because he was do use to doing everything orally. Also EQ .. very high.

Not at work - we call that the lazy ass moocher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time.

. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations. Like glasses. No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this.

Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example, a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario.

. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.