Zoning Lafayette out of Deal/Wilson - is this real?

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And there are plenty of stupid UMC kids - see, e.g., the Trumps, Aunt Becky's progeny...

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Anonymous wrote:I’m confused why Lafayette is a Ward 4 school. We are IB for Lafayette and live in Ward 3. The schools boundaries are not by ward!

Lafayette is IN Ward 4. Not that deep.

It may be in Ward 4, but remember, the line down Broad Branch Road was arbitrarily created not that long ago strictly to balance voters. It was never intended to have ANYTHING to do with schools. To imply otherwise is just somebody making stuff up.

Politically it matters a lot though. You have both Brandon Todd and Mary Cheh who will be called on by Lafayette parents. That's a lot more muscle than a purely Ward 3 school will have. And we are talking about a school with almost 1000 students-- lots of interested and active families.

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Anonymous wrote:You know what crazy people (and agree with the PP, this is a total fantasy thread), here's the real story:

- Our kids shouldn't be used as a social engineering experiment because they are UMC and live in stable homes. Call that elitist, privileged, whatever, but no kid should have to deal with it because some social justice warrior deems it so.

- Of course we are going to scream when you ship our kids out of our neighborhood to an unproven school with abysmal test scores. NOBODY would want that to happen.

- The schools you are talking about sending us to, while smaller, do not have the same sort of extra curriculars (sports, arts) what have you that Deal and Wilson already have.

I think if Lafayette parents are convinced that the experience would be the same wherever else than it would be at Deal and Wilson, we would be OK with it. Contrary to what this thread suggests, I don't think Chevy Chase is full of racists. It is, however, full of families who want what's best for their kids, and Wells and Cardozo are just not going to cut it now. The expectations are just higher.

And, finally, for all the Deal bashers here, it IS a great place. The team approach keeps it small, and I can say especially over the last two years DD has had uniformly amazing teachers. I don't know who you've had. I'm sorry your snowflake can't handle the size, I'm sure when you pick their classes for them in college it will be better.

I occasionally see this term thrown around by the same sorts of folks who use the term 'SJW.' What exactly does this mean? How would this play out, in terms of outcomes?

Also, Wells isn't even open yet, so how can you remark about the extracurricular options or test scores there? What are you basing your predictions on? DCPS PARCC data, along with other research, suggests that kids from affluent, educated families tend to do well even in lower-performing schools, so your alarm at the prospect of redistricting is somewhat puzzling.

That's precisely the point - there AREN'T any, and it will take years to develop them. And what it means is that people are so blinded by "social justice" that they fail to see how it can actually impact real people. It doesn't make you a bad person to not want to send your kid to a shitty school on a the theory that your smart, UMC kid is going to suddenly solve all of the inherent problems of urban poverty by just sitting next to some kid in a classroom.

There might be an ounce of sympathy if there was any concern whatsoever for the so-called "shitty schools." Some of us don't think anyone should have to send their kids to a "shitty school" regardless of address. The solution for Ward 3 families is not enrolling charters or OOB and traveling across town -- that's only required of families in Wards 7 & 8.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused why Lafayette is a Ward 4 school. We are IB for Lafayette and live in Ward 3. The schools boundaries are not by ward!

Lafayette is IN Ward 4. Not that deep.

It may be in Ward 4, but remember, the line down Broad Branch Road was arbitrarily created not that long ago strictly to balance voters. It was never intended to have ANYTHING to do with schools. To imply otherwise is just somebody making stuff up.

I would say there's a much better case that school attendance boundaries are arbitrary than ward boundaries. What's so magical about Massachusetts Avenue that one side of it goes to Deal and the other to Hardy?

[Anonymous]

Chevy Chase is special. We are largely white. We are rich. We are Bethesda-adjacent. Our nails and our lawns are well-manicured. Lafayette has an amphitheater, people. We have the Avalon. Our bungalows are newly open-concept: our backyards bountiful. Shepherd Park is a little slummier: too many elderly Caribbean and Kemp Mill-types. Plus, Shepherd Elementary is like 60% OOB. Still, they can stay if WE (Royal We) can stay. And we will stay - we have MFN (most favored neighborhood) status. Brandon Todd only has eyes for us. Muriel loves us. And if you eff with us we'll just move across the street to Murch or mosey over to Maret. Watch us!

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And, finally, for all the Deal bashers here, it IS a great place. The team approach keeps it small, and I can say especially over the last two years DD has had uniformly amazing teachers. I don't know who you've had. I'm sorry your snowflake can't handle the size, I'm sure when you pick their classes for them in college it will be better.

The bolded was totally unnecessary. No sympathy for you.

It's not clear how you know that Wells won't cut it, given that it's a NEW school (how can it have "abysmal test scores"?), and if it drew on students from, say, Shepherd and Lafayette, should be pretty well set up for success. Rezoning a school to deal with overcrowding isn't a "social justice warrior" social engineering experiment, it's a response to demographic facts. Deal and Wilson are growing and have or will exceed their capacity. Some schools currently zoned for Deal/Wilson will probably need to be rezoned. Proximity to the new schools is a relevant and reasonable factor. Screaming about moving is just fear of change--some things will have to change, no one wants it to be them. Eaton didn't want to be rezoned to Hardy, but those families are dealing with the change and the sky hasn't fallen yet. Calling other kids "snowflakes" isn't a solution.

Wells test scores will be abysmal because the test scores at the feeder elementary schools to Wells are abysmal.

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Anonymous wrote:So much to unpack it 14:54 tacitly racist/class-baiterism. Yuck. It bears noting that many UMC homes are “unstable” because of divorce, addiction, workaholicism, and other behaviors befitting narcissists who wax, masturbation-like, about being UMC or their property values. You did not inherit a feeder path to Deal/Wilson by virtue of divine right or jumbo mortgage. If you want to move to McLean - do it. Ward 4 schools should feed Ward 4. Moreover, Ward 4 students make up the bulk of OOB students. This is a tremendous waste when we have very expensive, shiny MS and HS in Ward 4. Similarly, if we really care about bilingualism- reroute OA/Bancroft to Macfarland/Roosevelt. Besides Lafayette- we will need another big school - to be reorganized into Hardy. Janney makes sense.

Did you really just say that ward 4 should go to ward 4 schools in the same breath as saying Janney (ward 3) should go to school in ward 2? Let me guess, you're IB for Murch? Keep in mind, in the next ward drawing, Lafayette and Shepherd could become ward 5 or Janney could become ward 2. Those assignments are fluid and should never assign schools based on them. We ought to really stop trying to assign based on wards, especially if it's only used to prove your case.

We should let ward 5, 6, 7, 8 decide the fate of our future because we can't see past our selfish motives.

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Anonymous wrote:Chevy Chase is special. We are largely white. We are rich. We are Bethesda-adjacent. Our nails and our lawns are well-manicured. Lafayette has an amphitheater, people. We have the Avalon. Our bungalows are newly open-concept: our backyards bountiful. Shepherd Park is a little slummier: too many elderly Caribbean and Kemp Mill-types. Plus, Shepherd Elementary is like 60% OOB. Still, they can stay if WE (Royal We) can stay. And we will stay - we have MFN (most favored neighborhood) status. Brandon Todd only has eyes for us. Muriel loves us. And if you eff with us we'll just move across the street to Murch or mosey over to Maret. Watch us!

Truth! Hell YEAH!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know what crazy people (and agree with the PP, this is a total fantasy thread), here's the real story:

- Our kids shouldn't be used as a social engineering experiment because they are UMC and live in stable homes. Call that elitist, privileged, whatever, but no kid should have to deal with it because some social justice warrior deems it so.

- Of course we are going to scream when you ship our kids out of our neighborhood to an unproven school with abysmal test scores. NOBODY would want that to happen.

- The schools you are talking about sending us to, while smaller, do not have the same sort of extra curriculars (sports, arts) what have you that Deal and Wilson already have.

I think if Lafayette parents are convinced that the experience would be the same wherever else than it would be at Deal and Wilson, we would be OK with it. Contrary to what this thread suggests, I don't think Chevy Chase is full of racists. It is, however, full of families who want what's best for their kids, and Wells and Cardozo are just not going to cut it now. The expectations are just higher.

And, finally, for all the Deal bashers here, it IS a great place. The team approach keeps it small, and I can say especially over the last two years DD has had uniformly amazing teachers. I don't know who you've had. I'm sorry your snowflake can't handle the size, I'm sure when you pick their classes for them in college it will be better.

I occasionally see this term thrown around by the same sorts of folks who use the term 'SJW.' What exactly does this mean? How would this play out, in terms of outcomes?

Also, Wells isn't even open yet, so how can you remark about the extracurricular options or test scores there? What are you basing your predictions on? DCPS PARCC data, along with other research, suggests that kids from affluent, educated families tend to do well even in lower-performing schools, so your alarm at the prospect of redistricting is somewhat puzzling.

That's precisely the point - there AREN'T any, and it will take years to develop them. And what it means is that people are so blinded by "social justice" that they fail to see how it can actually impact real people. It doesn't make you a bad person to not want to send your kid to a shitty school on a the theory that your smart, UMC kid is going to suddenly solve all of the inherent problems of urban poverty by just sitting next to some kid in a classroom.

Exactly! The PP you're responding to is full of shit with pretending she's so puzzled by resistance to being rezoned to Wells.

[Anonymous]

Janney to Wells for diversity, Shepherd to Deal for IB feed, Lafayette to Hardy (because they're better than Janney parents)!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know what crazy people (and agree with the PP, this is a total fantasy thread), here's the real story:

- Our kids shouldn't be used as a social engineering experiment because they are UMC and live in stable homes. Call that elitist, privileged, whatever, but no kid should have to deal with it because some social justice warrior deems it so.

- Of course we are going to scream when you ship our kids out of our neighborhood to an unproven school with abysmal test scores. NOBODY would want that to happen.

- The schools you are talking about sending us to, while smaller, do not have the same sort of extra curriculars (sports, arts) what have you that Deal and Wilson already have.

I think if Lafayette parents are convinced that the experience would be the same wherever else than it would be at Deal and Wilson, we would be OK with it. Contrary to what this thread suggests, I don't think Chevy Chase is full of racists. It is, however, full of families who want what's best for their kids, and Wells and Cardozo are just not going to cut it now. The expectations are just higher.

And, finally, for all the Deal bashers here, it IS a great place. The team approach keeps it small, and I can say especially over the last two years DD has had uniformly amazing teachers. I don't know who you've had. I'm sorry your snowflake can't handle the size, I'm sure when you pick their classes for them in college it will be better.

I occasionally see this term thrown around by the same sorts of folks who use the term 'SJW.' What exactly does this mean? How would this play out, in terms of outcomes?

Also, Wells isn't even open yet, so how can you remark about the extracurricular options or test scores there? What are you basing your predictions on? DCPS PARCC data, along with other research, suggests that kids from affluent, educated families tend to do well even in lower-performing schools, so your alarm at the prospect of redistricting is somewhat puzzling.

That's precisely the point - there AREN'T any, and it will take years to develop them. And what it means is that people are so blinded by "social justice" that they fail to see how it can actually impact real people. It doesn't make you a bad person to not want to send your kid to a shitty school on a the theory that your smart, UMC kid is going to suddenly solve all of the inherent problems of urban poverty by just sitting next to some kid in a classroom.

There might be an ounce of sympathy if there was any concern whatsoever for the so-called "shitty schools." Some of us don't think anyone should have to send their kids to a "shitty school" regardless of address. The solution for Ward 3 families is not enrolling charters or OOB and traveling across town -- that's only required of families in Wards 7 & 8.

I think folks ARE concerned about the shitty schools. But remember, a lot of those problems are not just the schools, but the problems the kids at those schools bring with them. Redrawing school boundaries won't solve that issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m confused why Lafayette is a Ward 4 school. We are IB for Lafayette and live in Ward 3. The schools boundaries are not by ward!

Lafayette is IN Ward 4. Not that deep.

It may be in Ward 4, but remember, the line down Broad Branch Road was arbitrarily created not that long ago strictly to balance voters. It was never intended to have ANYTHING to do with schools. To imply otherwise is just somebody making stuff up.

I would say there's a much better case that school attendance boundaries are arbitrary than ward boundaries. What's so magical about Massachusetts Avenue that one side of it goes to Deal and the other to Hardy?

In outlook, Chevy Chase DC is very much oriented toward Ward 3, not Ward 4 - most of which lies east of the Park.

[Anonymous]

And, finally, for all the Deal bashers here, it IS a great place. The team approach keeps it small, and I can say especially over the last two years DD has had uniformly amazing teachers'

While Deal may have uniformly amazing teachers, Hardy has uniforms!

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Anonymous wrote:22% of DCPS middle school students attend Deal. That is nuts.

Does this mean that Mayor Bowwowser is just 22% of the way toward her goal of "Alice Deal for all"?

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Anonymous wrote:21:08 Building a high school won't fly because is a huge amount of money to spend on a bunch of wealthy white families and besides that there is absolutely no place to put it that wouldn't cost even MORE money. Ain't happening.

According to comments in both of these threads, Bowser would be open to a new high school WOTP.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/764646.page#13992573

Here, someone speculates that such a high school would be open to all:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/90/772513.page#14200095

But where to put it? I know. Bye, bye, Duke Ellington!