The college admissions scandal bell tolls for thee, Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

Harvard had a sharp increase in acceptances of Asian-American students in 2019, the first such increase in a decade. So perhaps their subjective criteria were found wanting.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

Harvard had a sharp increase in acceptances of Asian-American students in 2019, the first such increase in a decade. So perhaps their subjective criteria were found wanting.

It went from like 23% to 25%. yes, very sharp increase.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

Harvard had a sharp increase in acceptances of Asian-American students in 2019, the first such increase in a decade. So perhaps their subjective criteria were found wanting.

It went from like 23% to 25%. yes, very sharp increase.

Wrong. It was a 5.1% increase. Which is huge for a minority group.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/the-class-of-23-applicant-pool-of-43330-reflects-a-1-4-percent-increase-over-class-of-2022/

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

Harvard had a sharp increase in acceptances of Asian-American students in 2019, the first such increase in a decade. So perhaps their subjective criteria were found wanting.

Yes and it came at the expense of African Americans whose admissions dropped by 4.9%. So, you happy now?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

Harvard had a sharp increase in acceptances of Asian-American students in 2019, the first such increase in a decade. So perhaps their subjective criteria were found wanting.

It went from like 23% to 25%. yes, very sharp increase.

Wrong. It was a 5.1% increase. Which is huge for a minority group.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/the-class-of-23-applicant-pool-of-43330-reflects-a-1-4-percent-increase-over-class-of-2022/

Are you math challenged? In 2018 Asians were 23% of the class; this year it's around 25%

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Anonymous wrote:^Agreed, the focus on just a few schools is incredibly ridiculous. Just more parents who want a trophy.

Face it, the admission people at those schools don’t need more near perfect stats kids. They want a diversity of personalities and academic abilities to round out the class. The Ivy League sponsors more DI sports teams than the SEC (or any other athletic conference). Why? It’s not for the money…those schools don’t make money on sports. They want to round out their classes with different types of people, including kids that are resilient enough to finish in the bottom half of their classes and still be happy to be there.

I highly doubt Harvard is accepting any student who finishes at the bottom half of the class. Even the Black/Hispanic stats show they aren't taking the bottom half.

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Well, 50% of each Harvard class finishes at the bottom half of the class.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

Harvard had a sharp increase in acceptances of Asian-American students in 2019, the first such increase in a decade. So perhaps their subjective criteria were found wanting.

It went from like 23% to 25%. yes, very sharp increase.

Wrong. It was a 5.1% increase. Which is huge for a minority group.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/the-class-of-23-applicant-pool-of-43330-reflects-a-1-4-percent-increase-over-class-of-2022/

Are you math challenged? In 2018 Asians were 23% of the class; this year it's around 25%

The % of Asian Americans' admission began to mysteriously increase starting from the year the law suit was filed back in around 2015. It continued to climb by 1-2% each year since then to now being around 25% after being stuck at around 18% for decades prior to the lawsuit. What a coincidence!

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

Harvard had a sharp increase in acceptances of Asian-American students in 2019, the first such increase in a decade. So perhaps their subjective criteria were found wanting.

It went from like 23% to 25%. yes, very sharp increase.

Wrong. It was a 5.1% increase. Which is huge for a minority group.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/the-class-of-23-applicant-pool-of-43330-reflects-a-1-4-percent-increase-over-class-of-2022/

Are you math challenged? In 2018 Asians were 23% of the class; this year it's around 25%

The % of Asian Americans' admission began to mysteriously increase starting from the year the law suit was filed back in around 2015. It continued to climb by 1-2% each year since then to now being around 25% after being stuck at around 18% for decades prior to the lawsuit. What a coincidence!

Asians up 5% this year, African Americans went down by the same percent. Coincidence?

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Anonymous wrote:This "top school" notion is BS. Do you honestly think that all of the successful people in the US went to only those schools? Or that everyone from those schools is successful?

You are a part of the problem.

Regardless of whether a given school plays a role in eventual "success" is secondary. The primary issue is that these top schools are colluding and setting a quota (unwritten/unspoken) on Asian Americans' admissions and in the process discriminating against a minority racial group (that lacks any political clout) based on their race which is clearly unlawful and unconstitutional.

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Anonymous wrote:This "top school" notion is BS. Do you honestly think that all of the successful people in the US went to only those schools? Or that everyone from those schools is successful?

You are a part of the problem.

Regardless of whether a given school plays a role in eventual "success" is secondary. The primary issue is that these top schools are colluding and setting a quota (unwritten/unspoken) on Asian Americans' admissions and in the process discriminating against a minority racial group (that lacks any political clout) based on their race which is clearly unlawful and unconstitutional.

Well that's a legal conclusion I doubt you're qualified to make. And I predict the holistic admissions process will survive judicial scrutiny.

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Anonymous wrote:This "top school" notion is BS. Do you honestly think that all of the successful people in the US went to only those schools? Or that everyone from those schools is successful?

You are a part of the problem.

Regardless of whether a given school plays a role in eventual "success" is secondary. The primary issue is that these top schools are colluding and setting a quota (unwritten/unspoken) on Asian Americans' admissions and in the process discriminating against a minority racial group (that lacks any political clout) based on their race which is clearly unlawful and unconstitutional.

Well that's a legal conclusion I doubt you're qualified to make. And I predict the holistic admissions process will survive judicial scrutiny.

Discrimination by public colleges and private colleges receiving federal research/financial aid funds on the basis of race is not allowed under the current statutes and the Constitution unless you want to argue that Asians are not discriminated in the admissions process on the basis of race which would be laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

Whites often act as if they are the most ethical group but they are really crooked inside. The college admission for the top 25+ schools have become so corrupted and out of control (by whites who are in charge of admissions office, athletic programs, psychologists who readily "sell" LD diagnosis, professional SAT takers, professional essay writers for money, creating "Z" list, making "legal bribes" for admission etc.)

We need to eliminate, legacy, special treatment of athletes, preference for donors, discrimination for financial aid applicants in admissions, racial discrimination in admissions (AA), all of them.

+100.

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Anonymous wrote:This "top school" notion is BS. Do you honestly think that all of the successful people in the US went to only those schools? Or that everyone from those schools is successful?

You are a part of the problem.

Regardless of whether a given school plays a role in eventual "success" is secondary. The primary issue is that these top schools are colluding and setting a quota (unwritten/unspoken) on Asian Americans' admissions and in the process discriminating against a minority racial group (that lacks any political clout) based on their race which is clearly unlawful and unconstitutional.

Well that's a legal conclusion I doubt you're qualified to make. And I predict the holistic admissions process will survive judicial scrutiny.

Discrimination by public colleges and private colleges receiving federal research/financial aid funds on the basis of race is not allowed under the current statutes and the Constitution unless you want to argue that Asians are not discriminated in the admissions process on the basis of race which would be laughable.

Every private college can select it's students however they want as long as they follow the law. Current law allows race as a factor. Harvard can
define "merit" as they see fit. Their vision of merit does not heavily weight SAT scores (a good thing). Colleges can compare students from the same HS,
which is probably a big disadvantage for TJ kids. They are not looking for "grinders" but for students who will become leaders and ambassadors in their field. Strong URM's can be particularly influential as role models for the future.

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Anonymous wrote:This "top school" notion is BS. Do you honestly think that all of the successful people in the US went to only those schools? Or that everyone from those schools is successful?

You are a part of the problem.

Regardless of whether a given school plays a role in eventual "success" is secondary. The primary issue is that these top schools are colluding and setting a quota (unwritten/unspoken) on Asian Americans' admissions and in the process discriminating against a minority racial group (that lacks any political clout) based on their race which is clearly unlawful and unconstitutional.

Well that's a legal conclusion I doubt you're qualified to make. And I predict the holistic admissions process will survive judicial scrutiny.

Discrimination by public colleges and private colleges receiving federal research/financial aid funds on the basis of race is not allowed under the current statutes and the Constitution unless you want to argue that Asians are not discriminated in the admissions process on the basis of race which would be laughable.

Every private college can select it's students however they want as long as they follow the law. Current law allows race as a factor. Harvard can
define "merit" as they see fit. Their vision of merit does not heavily weight SAT scores (a good thing). Colleges can compare students from the same HS,
which is probably a big disadvantage for TJ kids. They are not looking for "grinders" but for students who will become leaders and ambassadors in their field. Strong URM's can be particularly influential as role models for the future.

^ you can keep making this point until you're blu in the face, but the Harvard lawsuit fanatic is not going to listen. The case will be decided soon and then we'll see if the judge thinks illegal discrimination has occurred.