The college admissions scandal bell tolls for thee, Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

It was brought by a white guy who has tried twice before (and lost) to kill affirmative action. He is using Asian American as the current vehicle for trying to do this again. Plenty of Asian American groups oppose the lawsuit. Is that clear enough?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

It was brought by a white guy who has tried twice before (and lost) to kill affirmative action. He is using Asian American as the current vehicle for trying to do this again. Plenty of Asian American groups oppose the lawsuit. Is that clear enough?

Just because his motives are impure, does not mean that there's not systematic discrimination against Asian Americans in college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

It was brought by a white guy who has tried twice before (and lost) to kill affirmative action. He is using Asian American as the current vehicle for trying to do this again. Plenty of Asian American groups oppose the lawsuit. Is that clear enough?

Just because his motives are impure, does not mean that there's not systematic discrimination against Asian Americans in college admissions.

perhaps, we'll see. But don't say it's brought "on behalf" of Asian Americans. It's brought on behalf of people who want to kill affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

Holistic admissions. Apparently you got a problem with it.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

It was brought by a white guy who has tried twice before (and lost) to kill affirmative action. He is using Asian American as the current vehicle for trying to do this again. Plenty of Asian American groups oppose the lawsuit. Is that clear enough?

Just because his motives are impure, does not mean that there's not systematic discrimination against Asian Americans in college admissions.

perhaps, we'll see. But don't say it's brought "on behalf" of Asian Americans. It's brought on behalf of people who want to kill affirmative action.

Most Asian Americans want to "kill" affirmative action since they know that this AA program is discriminatory on the basis of race. Asian Americans who oppose the lawsuit already graduated from top/Ivy colleges which practice racial discrimination want to maintain status quo and maintain the "value" of the Ivy/top school degree which is very selfish.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

Holistic admissions. Apparently you got a problem with it.

You mean "Holier than thou" so don't question anything and take it.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

+1 I have seen Asian students with far better stats, extracurriculars and leadership positions get rejected from schools that weaker white peers have gotten into.

But you're not on the admissions committee now are you/ Who's to say they were weaker?

If you look at the Harvard lawsuit by Asian Americans, you'll see that they were systematically rated by the very admissions committee as less likable and with their accomplishments given lower valuations than their white counterparts. Unconscious bias or racism, take your pick.

We're not going to litigate the plaintiff's allegations in the "Harvard lawsuit" on here. Give it up! We can talk when the judges rules on the case. And it is not being brought by Asian Americans - look into it a bit; your statement is false.

It was brought by a non-profit entity on behalf of Asian American applicants against Harvard alleging racial discrimination against Asian American applicants by Harvard. Is that clear enough?

+1 This is a college admissions board. We have the right to quote facts that have been cited in the lawsuit, such as Asians being rated as "less likable" by Harvard.

Of course you have the right to quote the plaintiff's allegations. Will they prevail is the question? Methinks not.

There is adequate evidence for the judge to rule in favor of the plaintiff and if not, the Supreme Court will find impermissible and unlawful racial discrimination on the part of Harvard.

I say not. So let's wait and see. And yes I will come back and eat crow if you are right.

It's really shameful what Harvard is doing to the most vulnerable minority group and they are supposed to be an institution of higher learning which is supposed to set examples for our society.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

So what? I'm sure the kid is going to college right? It doesn't have to be Harvard. No one has a right to any given school. No one school is "the best" either. Obviously, that kid is going to be successful. If Harvard doesn't want to claim his future success, their loss. If Harvard doesn't want a lot of, or too many, smart, accomplished kids, or prefers connected kids or rich kids or super athletes, or kids who are great chefs or experts at poker, they get to do that. They have a limited number of spaces, and they can fill them with all full pay kids if they wanted to.

There is no reason on Earth why any parent should do something illegal to get a kid into any given school. And there is no reason why any kid should feel crushed if Harvard doesn't choose them. It literally does not matter where that kid goes to school. He has what it takes to succeed, and he will. Most successful people in the world did not go to Harvard, and lots of people who went to Harvard haven't done a dang thing with the degree. It is not and never has been the degree that makes the person; the name on the degree that matters is your own.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

So what? I'm sure the kid is going to college right? It doesn't have to be Harvard. No one has a right to any given school. No one school is "the best" either. Obviously, that kid is going to be successful. If Harvard doesn't want to claim his future success, their loss. If Harvard doesn't want a lot of, or too many, smart, accomplished kids, or prefers connected kids or rich kids or super athletes, or kids who are great chefs or experts at poker, they get to do that. They have a limited number of spaces, and they can fill them with all full pay kids if they wanted to.

There is no reason on Earth why any parent should do something illegal to get a kid into any given school. And there is no reason why any kid should feel crushed if Harvard doesn't choose them. It literally does not matter where that kid goes to school. He has what it takes to succeed, and he will. Most successful people in the world did not go to Harvard, and lots of people who went to Harvard haven't done a dang thing with the degree. It is not and never has been the degree that makes the person; the name on the degree that matters is your own.

Your argument may be valid but the issue is not limited only to Harvard. The issue extends to all top schools including Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT (lesser extend), Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, Brown, Chicago, NW, Duke etc. down the line. This would not be an issue if it was limited to Harvard.

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This "top school" notion is BS. Do you honestly think that all of the successful people in the US went to only those schools? Or that everyone from those schools is successful?

You are a part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

^Agreed, the focus on just a few schools is incredibly ridiculous. Just more parents who want a trophy.

Face it, the admission people at those schools don’t need more near perfect stats kids. They want a diversity of personalities and academic abilities to round out the class. The Ivy League sponsors more DI sports teams than the SEC (or any other athletic conference). Why? It’s not for the money…those schools don’t make money on sports. They want to round out their classes with different types of people, including kids that are resilient enough to finish in the bottom half of their classes and still be happy to be there.