The college admissions scandal bell tolls for thee, Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

It's not only about numbers. Jewish population is about 2% but they make up about 28% of Harvard and other top schools.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

It's not only about numbers. Jewish population is about 2% but they make up about 28% of Harvard and other top schools.

The same thing happened in the mid-80s when DOJ also had the previous investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asians - they admissions office increased the admits over the next 5 years by about 8% more before going back down (in fact to a lower amount by about 2% less for about 5 years to "make up" for the increase) and then leveled off at the 16% for the next 10 years, before going back up slightly to 17%-18%. Then we this new lawsuit was brought in, suddenly, surprise, surprise, the admit rate goes up again by about 8% during the period of the lawsuit.

I used to interview for H, but I got completely turned off by the racial gerrymandering in the admissions process - I couldn't interview asian students with a straight face and tell them this process had any integrity at all - so I stopped being an alumni interviewer.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

It's not only about numbers. Jewish population is about 2% but they make up about 28% of Harvard and other top schools.

The same thing happened in the mid-80s when DOJ also had the previous investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asians - they admissions office increased the admits over the next 5 years by about 8% more before going back down (in fact to a lower amount by about 2% less for about 5 years to "make up" for the increase) and then leveled off at the 16% for the next 10 years, before going back up slightly to 17%-18%. Then we this new lawsuit was brought in, suddenly, surprise, surprise, the admit rate goes up again by about 8% during the period of the lawsuit.

I used to interview for H, but I got completely turned off by the racial gerrymandering in the admissions process - I couldn't interview asian students with a straight face and tell them this process had any integrity at all - so I stopped being an alumni interviewer.

I admire your honesty and sincerity.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

It's not only about numbers. Jewish population is about 2% but they make up about 28% of Harvard and other top schools.

The same thing happened in the mid-80s when DOJ also had the previous investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asians - they admissions office increased the admits over the next 5 years by about 8% more before going back down (in fact to a lower amount by about 2% less for about 5 years to "make up" for the increase) and then leveled off at the 16% for the next 10 years, before going back up slightly to 17%-18%. Then we this new lawsuit was brought in, suddenly, surprise, surprise, the admit rate goes up again by about 8% during the period of the lawsuit.

I used to interview for H, but I got completely turned off by the racial gerrymandering in the admissions process - I couldn't interview asian students with a straight face and tell them this process had any integrity at all - so I stopped being an alumni interviewer.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

It's not only about numbers. Jewish population is about 2% but they make up about 28% of Harvard and other top schools.

The same thing happened in the mid-80s when DOJ also had the previous investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asians - they admissions office increased the admits over the next 5 years by about 8% more before going back down (in fact to a lower amount by about 2% less for about 5 years to "make up" for the increase) and then leveled off at the 16% for the next 10 years, before going back up slightly to 17%-18%. Then we this new lawsuit was brought in, suddenly, surprise, surprise, the admit rate goes up again by about 8% during the period of the lawsuit.

I used to interview for H, but I got completely turned off by the racial gerrymandering in the admissions process - I couldn't interview asian students with a straight face and tell them this process had any integrity at all - so I stopped being an alumni interviewer.

+100

Yes - very unfair that since 2010, whites have had the highest rate of admissions for any race at Harvard, often 25-50% higher than Asian admit rate. Whites are the problem.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/19/acceptance-rates-by-race/

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Is nobody making the inference that if this father tried so hard to bribe the fencing orbit, that it's not a stretch to think he may have tried to bribe high school teachers, administrators and/or SAT proctors?

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Anonymous wrote:Is nobody making the inference that if this father tried so hard to bribe the fencing orbit, that it's not a stretch to think he may have tried to bribe high school teachers, administrators and/or SAT proctors?

Read the thread. Everyone is making that jump.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

It's not only about numbers. Jewish population is about 2% but they make up about 28% of Harvard and other top schools.

The same thing happened in the mid-80s when DOJ also had the previous investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asians - they admissions office increased the admits over the next 5 years by about 8% more before going back down (in fact to a lower amount by about 2% less for about 5 years to "make up" for the increase) and then leveled off at the 16% for the next 10 years, before going back up slightly to 17%-18%. Then we this new lawsuit was brought in, suddenly, surprise, surprise, the admit rate goes up again by about 8% during the period of the lawsuit.

I used to interview for H, but I got completely turned off by the racial gerrymandering in the admissions process - I couldn't interview asian students with a straight face and tell them this process had any integrity at all - so I stopped being an alumni interviewer.

+100

Yes - very unfair that since 2010, whites have had the highest rate of admissions for any race at Harvard, often 25-50% higher than Asian admit rate. Whites are the problem.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/19/acceptance-rates-by-race/

“The average acceptance rate overall during the time period covered by the dataset clocked in at 9.3 percent. Asian-Americans were the only racial group whose acceptance rate dips below that average.”

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

It's not only about numbers. Jewish population is about 2% but they make up about 28% of Harvard and other top schools.

The same thing happened in the mid-80s when DOJ also had the previous investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asians - they admissions office increased the admits over the next 5 years by about 8% more before going back down (in fact to a lower amount by about 2% less for about 5 years to "make up" for the increase) and then leveled off at the 16% for the next 10 years, before going back up slightly to 17%-18%. Then we this new lawsuit was brought in, suddenly, surprise, surprise, the admit rate goes up again by about 8% during the period of the lawsuit.

I used to interview for H, but I got completely turned off by the racial gerrymandering in the admissions process - I couldn't interview asian students with a straight face and tell them this process had any integrity at all - so I stopped being an alumni interviewer.

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Yes - very unfair that since 2010, whites have had the highest rate of admissions for any race at Harvard, often 25-50% higher than Asian admit rate. Whites are the problem.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/19/acceptance-rates-by-race/

“The average acceptance rate overall during the time period covered by the dataset clocked in at 9.3 percent. Asian-Americans were the only racial group whose acceptance rate dips below that average.”

You left out the conclusion:
"Overall, the data shows, admit rates for applicants of all races have grown increasingly similar over the past two decades or so. And all racial group-specific acceptance rates have inched closer to Harvard’s overall acceptance rate."

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"Data for that time period — which begins with the admissions cycle for applicants to Harvard’s Class of 2000 and ends with the cycle for the Class of 2017 — show that Asian-American candidates on average saw an admission rate of 8.1 percent. By comparison, white applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 11.1 percent in that time period, African-American applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 13.2 percent, and Hispanic-American applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 10.6 percent."

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Anonymous wrote:"Data for that time period — which begins with the admissions cycle for applicants to Harvard’s Class of 2000 and ends with the cycle for the Class of 2017 — show that Asian-American candidates on average saw an admission rate of 8.1 percent. By comparison, white applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 11.1 percent in that time period, African-American applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 13.2 percent, and Hispanic-American applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 10.6 percent."

Look at the second chart in the document. The rates are almost identical now and have been close the last several years. The larger disparity of 20 years ago is no longer there.

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Anonymous wrote:"Data for that time period — which begins with the admissions cycle for applicants to Harvard’s Class of 2000 and ends with the cycle for the Class of 2017 — show that Asian-American candidates on average saw an admission rate of 8.1 percent. By comparison, white applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 11.1 percent in that time period, African-American applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 13.2 percent, and Hispanic-American applicants saw an average acceptance rate of 10.6 percent."

Look at the second chart in the document. The rates are almost identical now and have been close the last several years. The larger disparity of 20 years ago is no longer there.

"The same thing happened in the mid-80s when DOJ also had the previous investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asians - they admissions office increased the admits over the next 5 years by about 8% more before going back down (in fact to a lower amount by about 2% less for about 5 years to "make up" for the increase) and then leveled off at the 16% for the next 10 years, before going back up slightly to 17%-18%. Then we this new lawsuit was brought in, suddenly, surprise, surprise, the admit rate goes up again by about 8% during the period of the lawsuit.

I used to interview for H, but I got completely turned off by the racial gerrymandering in the admissions process - I couldn't interview asian students with a straight face and tell them this process had any integrity at all - so I stopped being an alumni interviewer."

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Anonymous wrote:For those who keep saying his son would have been admitted anyway, you should look at the statistics for Asian students who are accepted and rejected by Harvard. Having close to a 4.0 gpa and near-perfect SATs might guarantee acceptance for some ethnicities, but not for Asians.

*1000. I know of an Asian TJ grad with perfect gpa (4.0 unweighted which is extremely tough at TJ and probably top 1% and around 4.6 weighted), 2,390 SAT, Presidential Scholar nominee, NM Scholar, ton of leadership positions, lot of volunteering, extensive research, prestigious internship over the summer, TV show appearance, scholastic writing award, chemistry Olympiad finals, etc. etc. and was rejected by Harvard due to no legacy, no connection, no donation, seeking financial aid (not full pay) etc. Completely rigged.

Wait a minute. How do you know it was due to that?

Because there were other grads who gained admissions (with significantly lower stats openly talking about their "connections" whether it was parents knowing the "right" people or people at Harvard etc.) with few URMs getting admitted as well. Basically, being an Asian American applicant with no hooks and seeking FA is the worst situation and it will be virtually impossible to gain admission even with better credentials than most admitted students.

Impossible to know it was due to insufficient connections. The class has 1900 kids. They're hand selected for something the school wants. Your description of the student shows many accomplishments but reeks of being "packaged" for college admissions purposes. Now tell us where this student did get in.

The best response is "packaged"? A typical response if there is no legitimate response. The student was not packaged but worked hard, studied hard and contributed to the school life and the community life while exploring other interests aside from the school.

As did several hundreds if not thousands with similar looking apps.

No. The difference is that the above applicant would have been admitted if the student was URM, legacy, athlete, with "connection", donated money. URMs who graduate in the bottom 1/3 of the TJ (forget being in the top 1%) routinely gets admitted to Ivys no problem.

You mention where they are in class standing as if that is relevant. All the matters is that Harvard thinks they are capable of doing the work. They got into and graduated from TJ, right? So clearly they can handle Harvard, just like most of the kids at TJ. So check that box and move to the next thing. They don't have to take the top ranked kids. You get that, right?

If so, Harvard should immediately stop taking any federal research money and any other federal money. You get that, right?

No. What if the kid at the bottom of the class is Asian too? Nothing in US law requires any school to rank people based on GPA and SAT. Nothing. They absolutely can admit the kid with the lowest GPA if they want him or her.

They may but they cannot discriminate on the basis of race in the admissions process as they are doing now.

Asians making up 25%...gonna be tough to prove discrimination.

It's not only about numbers. Jewish population is about 2% but they make up about 28% of Harvard and other top schools.

The same thing happened in the mid-80s when DOJ also had the previous investigation into Harvard's discrimination against Asians - they admissions office increased the admits over the next 5 years by about 8% more before going back down (in fact to a lower amount by about 2% less for about 5 years to "make up" for the increase) and then leveled off at the 16% for the next 10 years, before going back up slightly to 17%-18%. Then we this new lawsuit was brought in, suddenly, surprise, surprise, the admit rate goes up again by about 8% during the period of the lawsuit.

I used to interview for H, but I got completely turned off by the racial gerrymandering in the admissions process - I couldn't interview asian students with a straight face and tell them this process had any integrity at all - so I stopped being an alumni interviewer.

+100

Yes - very unfair that since 2010, whites have had the highest rate of admissions for any race at Harvard, often 25-50% higher than Asian admit rate. Whites are the problem.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/19/acceptance-rates-by-race/

“The average acceptance rate overall during the time period covered by the dataset clocked in at 9.3 percent. Asian-Americans were the only racial group whose acceptance rate dips below that average.”

You left out the conclusion:
"Overall, the data shows, admit rates for applicants of all races have grown increasingly similar over the past two decades or so. And all racial group-specific acceptance rates have inched closer to Harvard’s overall acceptance rate."

Oh goody. Over time, they can "inch closer" to non-discriminatory policies.