DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

ECNL can include:
CASL - $300
Jeff Cup -$300
PDA- $300
Disney- $1000+
Phoenix/Seattle- $1000+
Texas- $1000+

And lets not forget current out of town regular season trips to NC, SC as well as Richmond. $300 per trip. Travel alone is in the range of $3000-$6000 in travel alone depending on overall schedule, conference etc.

Training fees will be similar to other A team costs $2500-$3000.

The total is somewhere between $6000-$10,000 per year.

Now ask yourself, would adding Arlington to ECNL along with VDA and Loudoun and realigning conferences lower the costs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

ECNL can include:
CASL - $300
Jeff Cup -$300
PDA- $300
Disney- $1000+
Phoenix/Seattle- $1000+
Texas- $1000+

And lets not forget current out of town regular season trips to NC, SC as well as Richmond. $300 per trip. Travel alone is in the range of $3000-$6000 in travel alone depending on overall schedule, conference etc.

Training fees will be similar to other A team costs $2500-$3000.

The total is somewhere between $6000-$10,000 per year.

Now ask yourself, would adding Arlington to ECNL along with VDA and Loudoun and realigning conferences lower the costs?

Not correct when comparing to Spirit - whose starting fee is $5K before any travel etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

Wow we must not be on a good club team. Pay nowhere near that and we are at a strong ccl club on a decent team.

CCL A team here at one of the Big 3 and costs are not that high.
~ $3,000.
Even with the 2-3 away tourneys the team does!
Braddock must have had some super teams back in the CCL days. They are a good club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

"Some have said our $5,000 annual fee is higher than other area elite programs, but when considered as a Total Cost of Participation as compared to other clubs, the fee shouldn’t seem out of line considering we include so many things that other clubs charge for incrementally outside of their official “fee” structures.

INCLUDED IN OUR FEE
All Coaching and Specialty Training
All Game Fields and Training Space
All Required Uniforms and Practice Apparel and Equipment / Travel bag
Facilities rentals for classrooms, video sessions, meetings, and gatherings
Dedicated Athletic Trainer at every game, at least one practice per week, and typically a second to lead sessions for players recovering from injury.
Any required supplemental training such as futsal, speed, strength and agility
Medical / Fitness screenings and testing
Season Tickets and special access to the professional team
Numerous sponsor-provided services and items

NOT INCLUDED IN OUR FEE
[/b[b]]Personal Travel Expenses
Entry fees to any showcase tournaments outside the DA structure"

BWAHHHHAAAAAA HAAAAA.

That's Spirit, not ECNL. Spirit are super expensive. NWSL club structure. FCV and other DAs in PA/NJ less.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

Wow we must not be on a good club team. Pay nowhere near that and we are at a strong ccl club on a decent team.

Have you really added up all of your expenses? I'm not talking about just how big a check you write to the club, but also out-of-pocket travel expenses. And as bad as that $5k might sound to someone who isn't part of a good team, I'd beat you'll find similar costs at the good teams at your club. If you're at Loudoun, ask how much last season cost for the 02Gs who made it to Nationals. If you're at Arlington, ask the 01Gs who are doing National League, Regional league, State Cup, Olney, WAGS, Bethesda, Jeff Cup and presumably a Memorial Day tournament on top of a CCL schedule this year. If you're at SYA or LMVSC, quit deluding yourself about being at a strong CCL club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

ECNL can include:
CASL - $300
Jeff Cup -$300
PDA- $300
Disney- $1000+
Phoenix/Seattle- $1000+
Texas- $1000+

And lets not forget current out of town regular season trips to NC, SC as well as Richmond. $300 per trip. Travel alone is in the range of $3000-$6000 in travel alone depending on overall schedule, conference etc.

Training fees will be similar to other A team costs $2500-$3000.

The total is somewhere between $6000-$10,000 per year.

Now ask yourself, would adding Arlington to ECNL along with VDA and Loudoun and realigning conferences lower the costs?

Thank you. These are the costs mentioned last night. It definitely bseems a bigger commitment and not comparable to what we pay for travel now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

Wow we must not be on a good club team. Pay nowhere near that and we are at a strong ccl club on a decent team.

CCL A team here at one of the Big 3 and costs are not that high.
~ $3,000.
Even with the 2-3 away tourneys the team does!
Braddock must have had some super teams back in the CCL days. They are a good club.

With Loudoun, BYRC and MD United out on the girls side (as in top players going ECNL), and other top CCL players leaving for ECNL and DA, and perhaps one more club defection in Arlington if the rumors are true, what you are getting is not worth what you are paying and traveling for. CCL 1 is dead. CCL 2 already died. And CCL has no national championship or league outside of NOVA. Better off in NPL if you want no DA or ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

"Some have said our $5,000 annual fee is higher than other area elite programs, but when considered as a Total Cost of Participation as compared to other clubs, the fee shouldn’t seem out of line considering we include so many things that other clubs charge for incrementally outside of their official “fee” structures.

INCLUDED IN OUR FEE
All Coaching and Specialty Training
All Game Fields and Training Space
All Required Uniforms and Practice Apparel and Equipment / Travel bag
Facilities rentals for classrooms, video sessions, meetings, and gatherings
Dedicated Athletic Trainer at every game, at least one practice per week, and typically a second to lead sessions for players recovering from injury.
Any required supplemental training such as futsal, speed, strength and agility
Medical / Fitness screenings and testing
Season Tickets and special access to the professional team
Numerous sponsor-provided services and items

NOT INCLUDED IN OUR FEE
[/b[b]]Personal Travel Expenses
Entry fees to any showcase tournaments outside the DA structure"

BWAHHHHAAAAAA HAAAAA.

That's Spirit, not ECNL. Spirit are super expensive. NWSL club structure. FCV and other DAs in PA/NJ less.

I know. I am making fun of Spirit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA v ECNL, nothing burger!...... Arl. does NOT need an "elite" option. Why change anything - one big bubble and families fulfill quests when DD makes red. Girls are happy,, no one worries too much about the next level or play quality. DA/ECNL don't fit with State cup and king of CCL team ..... seriously, only egos driving this debate of whether Arl. need DA or ECNL. PP is right, would only rebadge Red

You, my friend (not really), are obnoxious. And, wrong (but you can't admit that). But keep believing your own babble. And eat that nothing burger you keep serving up.

You are that soccer dad in the track suit never happy that DD can just have fun with friends playing soccer

elite
elite
elite

WE NEED ELITE

Burger Boy.

Dude. Whoever is "elite elite" boy up above, you need to get your head checked. You clearly don't know elite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

ECNL can include:
CASL - $300
Jeff Cup -$300
PDA- $300
Disney- $1000+
Phoenix/Seattle- $1000+
Texas- $1000+

And lets not forget current out of town regular season trips to NC, SC as well as Richmond. $300 per trip. Travel alone is in the range of $3000-$6000 in travel alone depending on overall schedule, conference etc.

Training fees will be similar to other A team costs $2500-$3000.

The total is somewhere between $6000-$10,000 per year.

Now ask yourself, would adding Arlington to ECNL along with VDA and Loudoun and realigning conferences lower the costs?

Not correct when comparing to Spirit - whose starting fee is $5K before any travel etc.

The PP had nothing to do with Spirit. ECNL, as currently aligned will cost no less that $6000 and will likely reach $10,000.

If you decide to change clubs and go to Loudoun to play in ECNL, currently Red runs $2500-$2800 before you have even purchased your kit. Every ECNL club goes to all of the ECNL National events of which there are 5:
Florida
Phoenix (twice)
Texas
NJ

And THAT is before Jeff Cup, Disney Showcase, CASL. Every ECNL event will set you back $1000 other than NJ.

The DA tournament/showcase schedule is not nearly as packed as ECNL.

You will be told "less than DA's" but that is just not the reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

Wow we must not be on a good club team. Pay nowhere near that and we are at a strong ccl club on a decent team.

CCL A team here at one of the Big 3 and costs are not that high.
~ $3,000.
Even with the 2-3 away tourneys the team does!
Braddock must have had some super teams back in the CCL days. They are a good club.

With Loudoun, BYRC and MD United out on the girls side (as in top players going ECNL), and other top CCL players leaving for ECNL and DA, and perhaps one more club defection in Arlington if the rumors are true, what you are getting is not worth what you are paying and traveling for. CCL 1 is dead. CCL 2 already died. And CCL has no national championship or league outside of NOVA. Better off in NPL if you want no DA or ECNL.

Thanks, don't disagree, but we aren't willing to pay anymore for travel soccer to get better competition even if DD one of the best on her A team. All those clubs you mention will still field CCL teams, so it is NOT dead. Just less elite, similar to ECNL not being as exclusive anymore. I wonder if all families on Loudoun A team will just sign right up for ECNL? Lots of families just want travel soccer experience and don't want to pay more for college, so I disagree with you that we are all getting ripped off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

"Some have said our $5,000 annual fee is higher than other area elite programs, but when considered as a Total Cost of Participation as compared to other clubs, the fee shouldn’t seem out of line considering we include so many things that other clubs charge for incrementally outside of their official “fee” structures.

INCLUDED IN OUR FEE
All Coaching and Specialty Training
All Game Fields and Training Space
All Required Uniforms and Practice Apparel and Equipment / Travel bag
Facilities rentals for classrooms, video sessions, meetings, and gatherings
Dedicated Athletic Trainer at every game, at least one practice per week, and typically a second to lead sessions for players recovering from injury.
Any required supplemental training such as futsal, speed, strength and agility
Medical / Fitness screenings and testing
Season Tickets and special access to the professional team
Numerous sponsor-provided services and items

NOT INCLUDED IN OUR FEE
[/b[b]]Personal Travel Expenses
Entry fees to any showcase tournaments outside the DA structure"

BWAHHHHAAAAAA HAAAAA.

That's Spirit, not ECNL. Spirit are super expensive. NWSL club structure. FCV and other DAs in PA/NJ less.

I know. I am making fun of Spirit.

It's all pay-to-play. Money grab just went to DefCon 5. Everyone and their mother in ECNL, and those with the most $ can go to WS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA v ECNL, nothing burger!...... Arl. does NOT need an "elite" option. Why change anything - one big bubble and families fulfill quests when DD makes red. Girls are happy,, no one worries too much about the next level or play quality. DA/ECNL don't fit with State cup and king of CCL team ..... seriously, only egos driving this debate of whether Arl. need DA or ECNL. PP is right, would only rebadge Red

You, my friend (not really), are obnoxious. And, wrong (but you can't admit that). But keep believing your own babble. And eat that nothing burger you keep serving up.

You are that soccer dad in the track suit never happy that DD can just have fun with friends playing soccer

elite
elite
elite

WE NEED ELITE

Burger Boy.

....get em while their hot soccer dad!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

Wow we must not be on a good club team. Pay nowhere near that and we are at a strong ccl club on a decent team.

CCL A team here at one of the Big 3 and costs are not that high.
~ $3,000.
Even with the 2-3 away tourneys the team does!
Braddock must have had some super teams back in the CCL days. They are a good club.

With Loudoun, BYRC and MD United out on the girls side (as in top players going ECNL), and other top CCL players leaving for ECNL and DA, and perhaps one more club defection in Arlington if the rumors are true, what you are getting is not worth what you are paying and traveling for. CCL 1 is dead. CCL 2 already died. And CCL has no national championship or league outside of NOVA. Better off in NPL if you want no DA or ECNL.

Thanks, don't disagree, but we aren't willing to pay anymore for travel soccer to get better competition even if DD one of the best on her A team. All those clubs you mention will still field CCL teams, so it is NOT dead. Just less elite, similar to ECNL not being as exclusive anymore. I wonder if all families on Loudoun A team will just sign right up for ECNL? Lots of families just want travel soccer experience and don't want to pay more for college, so I disagree with you that we are all getting ripped off.

I think that POV is fine. Totally logical. Never said you are getting ripped off. Saying the bang for the buck is not worth it if you want top competition. But, to your point, if you want to enjoy travel soccer in general, totally correct and good logic. But CCL will struggle to stay alive down the line as its a small league. Just saying NPL has a better foundation to stay afloat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The costs for a good travel team are close to $5k even if you're not in ECNL (and I'm one of the posters who has stated the $5k number on this board before). You're doing WAGS, CASL, Bethesda, Disney, Jeff Cup and PDA for tourneys, and then State Cup on top of league games. Hotels and travel add up quickly.

So for ECNL, instead of Disney, you do ECNL Florida so that's a wash. PDA and JeffCup are the same. So you do ECNL Texas or Arizona instead of Bethesda, WAGS, and/or CASL. So that makes ECNL a little higher but then you're not doing State Cup, or Region 1 league, or National League. Out of state travel for league games is a wash because BRYC pays for buses so you don't have to go with the team, pay for your gas and the hotel rooms are split between more people (i/o of paying for one room for me and my kid, I pay for one-third of a room). Yes, you might have to pay to go to ECNL Nationals, but then you might have had to pay for USYS Regionals. All in all, not a notable difference in costs for a good team, and maybe a little more for just a decent team, but then the team is getting more exposure from the ECNL showcases than they otherwise would from playing in lower flights at tournaments.

So again, all in all, I'm very happy that BRYC went to ECNL.

ECNL can include:
CASL - $300
Jeff Cup -$300
PDA- $300
Disney- $1000+
Phoenix/Seattle- $1000+
Texas- $1000+

And lets not forget current out of town regular season trips to NC, SC as well as Richmond. $300 per trip. Travel alone is in the range of $3000-$6000 in travel alone depending on overall schedule, conference etc.

Training fees will be similar to other A team costs $2500-$3000.

The total is somewhere between $6000-$10,000 per year.

Now ask yourself, would adding Arlington to ECNL along with VDA and Loudoun and realigning conferences lower the costs?

Not correct when comparing to Spirit - whose starting fee is $5K before any travel etc.

The PP had nothing to do with Spirit. ECNL, as currently aligned will cost no less that $6000 and will likely reach $10,000.

If you decide to change clubs and go to Loudoun to play in ECNL, currently Red runs $2500-$2800 before you have even purchased your kit. Every ECNL club goes to all of the ECNL National events of which there are 5:
Florida
Phoenix (twice)
Texas
NJ

And THAT is before Jeff Cup, Disney Showcase, CASL. Every ECNL event will set you back $1000 other than NJ.

The DA tournament/showcase schedule is not nearly as packed as ECNL.

You will be told "less than DA's" but that is just not the reality.

The bold is false -- depending on age group, you do 1, 2, or 3 of the National events, not all 5 events. Also PDA and NJ-ECNL are the same event.