Multi-generation Princeton double-legacy. DC doesn't want to go there...help

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Ah, empathetic and kind, but can't handle the deplorables.

You're damn right, she'll fight the cretans who marched in C'Ville and protect the rights that have been eroded by the president the deplorables voted in. Yes.

Ah, sounds like a patronising, know it all social justice warrior. I'm still looking for those rights that have been stripped away by the president and even I hate the notion of Donald Trump as president.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Ah, empathetic and kind, but can't handle the deplorables.

You're damn right, she'll fight the cretans who marched in C'Ville and protect the rights that have been eroded by the president the deplorables voted in. Yes.

Ah, sounds like a patronising, know it all social justice warrior. I'm still looking for those rights that have been stripped away by the president and even I hate the notion of Donald Trump as president.

+1. Reminds me of a vogue instragram post the other day with a photo of a black woman entering a "colored only" bathroom in the 1950s. The caption said something about returning to this time during the Trump era. Given Trump hasn't done anything remotely related to segregation I found it plain ridiculous and a great example of the fake news Trump talks about. I hate Trump btw.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Ah, empathetic and kind, but can't handle the deplorables.

You're damn right, she'll fight the cretans who marched in C'Ville and protect the rights that have been eroded by the president the deplorables voted in. Yes.

Ah, sounds like a patronising, know it all social justice warrior. I'm still looking for those rights that have been stripped away by the president and even I hate the notion of Donald Trump as president.

+1. Reminds me of a vogue instragram post the other day with a photo of a black woman entering a "colored only" bathroom in the 1950s. The caption said something about returning to this time during the Trump era. Given Trump hasn't done anything remotely related to segregation I found it plain ridiculous and a great example of the fake news Trump talks about. I hate Trump btw.

So you're ok with 80% of Trump's appointments being white men? Of course you are. And of course a racist like you is fine with only one of the US attorneys being black. You are deplorable

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Ah, empathetic and kind, but can't handle the deplorables.

You're damn right, she'll fight the cretans who marched in C'Ville and protect the rights that have been eroded by the president the deplorables voted in. Yes.

Ah, sounds like a patronising, know it all social justice warrior. I'm still looking for those rights that have been stripped away by the president and even I hate the notion of Donald Trump as president.

+1. Reminds me of a vogue instragram post the other day with a photo of a black woman entering a "colored only" bathroom in the 1950s. The caption said something about returning to this time during the Trump era. Given Trump hasn't done anything remotely related to segregation I found it plain ridiculous and a great example of the fake news Trump talks about. I hate Trump btw.

So you're ok with 80% of Trump's appointments being white men? Of course you are. And of course a racist like you is fine with only one of the US attorneys being black. You are deplorable

I think you've boxed yourself in now on every front: your daughter doesn't actually sound that impressive (her list of schools suggests she'd be a long shot at any Ivy, much less Princeton) and your politics sound condescending and naive (if you don't think there are plenty of Trump supporters near Ithaca and Poughkeepsie, you haven't done your homework).

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Anonymous wrote:My argument isn't absurd at all. It's both common sense and consistent with the clear preference that dual admits have for Harvard and Yale over Princeton as well as the greater number of applications that Columbia and several other Ivies also receive. The selective eating clubs are a scourge that reinforce the school's country-club reputation. They'd be long gone but for the older alumni who'd cease to donate if the administration did away with Bicker.

"scourge"??? You must really be bitter about getting hosed back in the day. Given how much fun you seem, you probably would have gotten rejected from whatever selective organization -- finals club, fraternity/sorority, etc -- you would have tried to join if you happened to attend somewhere else. If you had simply signed into Charter, everything could have worked out fine.

Plus, even if you were right that Princeton is somehow falling behind its peers, it is quite a stretch to say that Princeton's demise is the result of selective eating clubs.

Not bitter at all - after visiting Cottage and Ivy just a few times, I was sure that they weren't clubs that would welcome me as a member, and the feeling was mutual. That doesn't change the fact that the selective eating clubs are anachronisms that discourage many bright students from applying to Princeton or from accepting admissions offers. Just about every recent president would have liked to disband them, but the resistance from some alumni is too strong. It doesn't mean Princeton isn't a good university, but when I later visited Yale - to which I had not applied - it was striking how much more open it felt in comparison. If OP's kid has picked up on this, it's no surprise he isn't anxious to bleed orange and black.

I felt no more at home at Cottage and Ivy than you did. I just didn't let their presence on campus detract from my enjoyment of (a) my eating club and (b) the university altogether.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion. But, it is very much a minority opinion. The alumni -- which include recent alumni -- overwhelming view the eating clubs as a positive aspect of campus life. Those that don't want to join one of the selective eating clubs simply join one of the many others that have the same beautiful building, the same (and often better) food, and the same parties and other social events.

We are talking past each other. I don't doubt that many alumni liked their eating clubs, whether selective or sign-in. These are people who by definition decided to go there. I am addressing aspects of Princeton that discourage other bright kids from applying to or attending the school, and more inclusive residential colleges at other top universities.

I know I'm just a random sample, but I decided not to apply to Princeton soecifically because of the eating club thing. Definitely a turn-off if you're not into snobbery as a recreational activity.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Elitist snobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Ah, empathetic and kind, but can't handle the deplorables.

You're damn right, she'll fight the cretans who marched in C'Ville and protect the rights that have been eroded by the president the deplorables voted in. Yes.

Ah, sounds like a patronising, know it all social justice warrior. I'm still looking for those rights that have been stripped away by the president and even I hate the notion of Donald Trump as president.

+1. Reminds me of a vogue instragram post the other day with a photo of a black woman entering a "colored only" bathroom in the 1950s. The caption said something about returning to this time during the Trump era. Given Trump hasn't done anything remotely related to segregation I found it plain ridiculous and a great example of the fake news Trump talks about. I hate Trump btw.

So you're ok with 80% of Trump's appointments being white men? Of course you are. And of course a racist like you is fine with only one of the US attorneys being black. You are deplorable

Let's just hire based on qualifications. It's been reported that when Hillary needed to fill a slot, she'd ask "do we need a black" or "how's the count on Latinos" and so on. It's the liberal M.O., just like that woman at the DNC who said to skip over applications from straight white males. Maybe they don't have a bi-racial transgender, and that person would rise right to the top of the pile. Horrible way to fill slots.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Ah, empathetic and kind, but can't handle the deplorables.

You're damn right, she'll fight the cretans who marched in C'Ville and protect the rights that have been eroded by the president the deplorables voted in. Yes.

Ah, sounds like a patronising, know it all social justice warrior. I'm still looking for those rights that have been stripped away by the president and even I hate the notion of Donald Trump as president.

+1. Reminds me of a vogue instragram post the other day with a photo of a black woman entering a "colored only" bathroom in the 1950s. The caption said something about returning to this time during the Trump era. Given Trump hasn't done anything remotely related to segregation I found it plain ridiculous and a great example of the fake news Trump talks about. I hate Trump btw.

So you're ok with 80% of Trump's appointments being white men? Of course you are. And of course a racist like you is fine with only one of the US attorneys being black. You are deplorable

Let's just hire based on qualifications. It's been reported that when Hillary needed to fill a slot, she'd ask "do we need a black" or "how's the count on Latinos" and so on. It's the liberal M.O., just like that woman at the DNC who said to skip over applications from straight white males. Maybe they don't have a bi-racial transgender, and that person would rise right to the top of the pile. Horrible way to fill slots.

Ugh, you are woefully undereducated. I'm not even going to stoop to your ignorant level to respond to you any longer.

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The turn of the discussion has relatively little to do with Princeton. Princeton accepted the fewest students of any Ivy and its admission rate last year was the third lowest in the Ivy League (at 6.1%, behind only Harvard and Columbia). It is also regularly recognized by US News as the best undergraduate institution in the country. Its endowment per student is staggering and its reputation secure.

All that really can be said is that, at the margins, some bright students don't apply there because of its reputation for social exclusivity, as most obviously perpetuated by the "bicker" tradition at a half-dozen selective eating clubs (if all the clubs operated on a sign-in or lottery system, this would be a non-issue). Students who apply to Ivies obviously aren't put off by their academic selectivity or exclusivity; in fact they covet it. But the selective eating clubs send a message that, no matter how smart you are, you can be excluded based on a comparative lack of social connections or skills, and that's not the message some high-achieving kids want to hear. Even if the short-term impact of doing away with the selective clubs would only be to increase the number of applications every year by a few thousand, and drop the admissions rate to below 6%, it's not something the administration should ignore.

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Anonymous wrote:The turn of the discussion has relatively little to do with Princeton. Princeton accepted the fewest students of any Ivy and its admission rate last year was the third lowest in the Ivy League (at 6.1%, behind only Harvard and Columbia). It is also regularly recognized by US News as the best undergraduate institution in the country. Its endowment per student is staggering and its reputation secure.

All that really can be said is that, at the margins, some bright students don't apply there because of its reputation for social exclusivity, as most obviously perpetuated by the "bicker" tradition at a half-dozen selective eating clubs (if all the clubs operated on a sign-in or lottery system, this would be a non-issue). Students who apply to Ivies obviously aren't put off by their academic selectivity or exclusivity; in fact they covet it. But the selective eating clubs send a message that, no matter how smart you are, you can be excluded based on a comparative lack of social connections or skills, and that's not the message some high-achieving kids want to hear. Even if the short-term impact of doing away with the selective clubs would only be to increase the number of applications every year by a few thousand, and drop the admissions rate to below 6%, it's not something the administration should ignore.

This is true absolutely everywhere, though.

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Anonymous wrote:The turn of the discussion has relatively little to do with Princeton. Princeton accepted the fewest students of any Ivy and its admission rate last year was the third lowest in the Ivy League (at 6.1%, behind only Harvard and Columbia). It is also regularly recognized by US News as the best undergraduate institution in the country. Its endowment per student is staggering and its reputation secure.

All that really can be said is that, at the margins, some bright students don't apply there because of its reputation for social exclusivity, as most obviously perpetuated by the "bicker" tradition at a half-dozen selective eating clubs (if all the clubs operated on a sign-in or lottery system, this would be a non-issue). Students who apply to Ivies obviously aren't put off by their academic selectivity or exclusivity; in fact they covet it. But the selective eating clubs send a message that, no matter how smart you are, you can be excluded based on a comparative lack of social connections or skills, and that's not the message some high-achieving kids want to hear. Even if the short-term impact of doing away with the selective clubs would only be to increase the number of applications every year by a few thousand, and drop the admissions rate to below 6%, it's not something the administration should ignore.

This is true absolutely everywhere, though.

Of course. But selective eating clubs are more in-your-face than a "secret society" at Yale or a Dartmouth/Cornell fraternity or sorority, and their continued existence means the administration is OK with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Your family sounds nuts; I don't blame your kid for wanting to go elsewhere.

Thanks for the help. now piss off.

If you are the OP, I can see why your kid doesn't want to apply to Princeton. Perhaps he's self-aware enough to know he's not "prestige" material. Perhaps he knows he'd be happier at a school that fits him.

Make sure you've got a huge trust fund to pay for your kid's psychotherapy.

Geeze. Yetch.

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Anonymous wrote:Your family sounds nuts; I don't blame your kid for wanting to go elsewhere.

Thanks for the help. now piss off.

Did pp strike a nerve?


Your poor son. I'm guessing he ends up somewhere like UCSD, WVU or Boulder.

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Fits pretty obvious what the solution is, right? You only pay for college if he goes to Princeton otherwise he's on his own.






















Jerk.

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some bright students don't apply [to Princeton] because of its reputation for social exclusivity, as most obviously perpetuated by the "bicker" tradition at a half-dozen selective eating clubs (if all the clubs operated on a sign-in or lottery system, this would be a non-issue). Students who apply to Ivies obviously aren't put off by their academic selectivity or exclusivity; in fact they covet it. But the selective eating clubs send a message that, no matter how smart you are, you can be excluded based on a comparative lack of social connections or skills, and that's not the message some high-achieving kids want to hear. Even if the short-term impact of doing away with the selective clubs would only be to increase the number of applications every year by a few thousand, and drop the admissions rate to below 6%, it's not something the administration should ignore.

Can someone explain what exactly an eating club is? What % of the class ends up getting a bid to an eating club? Is the process super humiliating or something? Thanks.