Multi-generation Princeton double-legacy. DC doesn't want to go there...help

[Anonymous]

I felt no more at home at Cottage and Ivy than you did. I just didn't let their presence on campus detract from my enjoyment of (a) my eating club and (b) the university altogether.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion. But, it is very much a minority opinion. The alumni -- which include recent alumni -- overwhelming view the eating clubs as a positive aspect of campus life. Those that don't want to join one of the selective eating clubs simply join one of the many others that have the same beautiful building, the same (and often better) food, and the same parties and other social events.

This is an enormous self-selection bias in that it includes only those who decided to attend, didn't transfer out, and are engaged enough in Princeton life to be involved in alumni activities.

I'll guarantee that Princeton loses out on a HUGE number of queer or working class or minority or public school (or some combination thereof) kids simply because of the eating clubs and the reputation that goes along with them. Think of the talent that Princeton loses because they turn off some of the best and brightest with their antiquated country club nonsense.

[Anonymous]

I was a working/middle class bright student who did not apply to Princeton because I (rightly or wrongly) perceived them as a snobby country club due to the eating club thing. I ended up going to the #1 rated SLAC and a different Ivy for graduate school.

[Anonymous]

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I felt no more at home at Cottage and Ivy than you did. I just didn't let their presence on campus detract from my enjoyment of (a) my eating club and (b) the university altogether.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion. But, it is very much a minority opinion. The alumni -- which include recent alumni -- overwhelming view the eating clubs as a positive aspect of campus life. Those that don't want to join one of the selective eating clubs simply join one of the many others that have the same beautiful building, the same (and often better) food, and the same parties and other social events.

This is an enormous self-selection bias in that it includes only those who decided to attend, didn't transfer out, and are engaged enough in Princeton life to be involved in alumni activities.

I'll guarantee that Princeton loses out on a HUGE number of queer or working class or minority or public school (or some combination thereof) kids simply because of the eating clubs and the reputation that goes along with them. Think of the talent that Princeton loses because they turn off some of the best and brightest with their antiquated country club nonsense.

My gay brother went to Princeton and was a member of one of the eating clubs mentioned on here. He was out at the time. He had a great experience.

Princeton is not for everyone just as no college is for everyone and there is an element of self selection. My guess is that for every working class kid who is turned off by the Princeton stereotype there's another one who loved the school (by the way, all the Ivies struggle to attract working class kids in the first place, not just Princeton). What I'm saying here is that there is no monolithic "queer" community or working class community that is saying no to Princeton. Given Princeton's outstanding reputation I'm sure it has no issues filling its classes with the best and brightest.

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll. The grammar and punctuation is wrong in places, and the use of the word "myself" at the beginning ("and myself attended") sounds like someone trying to appear educated and upper-class. I can't believe OP is the product of the Ivy League and most likely prep school before that (given 150 years of Ivy-educated ancestors).

I m the OP.

Here we go again. You really are a sad person. Of course you are the same person who has been obsessing over the whole "myself" thing throughout this thread. This kind of obsession is abnormal. Just saying. Why so jealous and insecure? Whatever the reason might be, you are not fooling anyone. You are transparently bitter and jealous. Stop obsessing over this and move on with your life.

Excuse me? Obsessing about "myself" throughout the thread? I mentioned it in my one and only post (this is my second) because I never heard an educated person say "my husband and myself" went to the store or "my sister and myself" are going out to dinner. Educated people can determine whether "I" or "me" is the correct usage. The other posts referencing the use of "myself" were from other posters, agreeing with my assessment. Surely someone with your Ivy education could discern that.

(You also made grammatical errors and had mistakes in punctuation.)

And your baseless attack on me as being jealous and insecure.....sad.....abnormal.....and transparently bitter? Woah. I think the lady doth protest too much!

P.S. If you really did go to Princeton and can't use the English language correctly, well....so much for legacies.

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll. The grammar and punctuation is wrong in places, and the use of the word "myself" at the beginning ("and myself attended") sounds like someone trying to appear educated and upper-class. I can't believe OP is the product of the Ivy League and most likely prep school before that (given 150 years of Ivy-educated ancestors).

The OP does seem really fake to me, and I have basically the same legacy situation as she described. I think the OP is one of the people who tell you about your life if you just give the names of your children: very glib/plausible, but a writer of fiction.

OP again. You are not fooling anyone, you are the same sad, bitter troll who has been pestering me all over this thread. Your writing style gives you away dear.

I'm the first PP who first warned "troll'," and the one below is another PP agreeing with me. The fact that you jumped like this at being "outed" (and twisting it around to call the second PP a bitter troll) screams insecurity and cements my suspicion. You are an obvious fake.

[Anonymous]

Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

For every kid like your DD, there are a dozen other applicants who'd like to go there and are equally accomplished, yet less judgmental.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

For every kid like your DD, there are a dozen other applicants who'd like to go there and are equally accomplished, yet less judgmental.

Judgemental? Shouldn't one judge a the place they will live and learn for the next 4 years? Didn't you judge houses/schools/neighborhoods for your family? You are being unreasonable. HS seniors SHOULD judge, lest they end up at a place their mommy and daddy likes but they don't, which is, a recipe for disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Ah, empathetic and kind, but can't handle the deplorables.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, I'll throw my dd's opinion into the mix. My dd is a senior. We toured a lot of colleges and she did her own research. She checks all of the boxes in competitive admissions including long commitment with national awards in an EC that is impressive. More than her grades, rank and talent; she's an incredibly kind and empathetic person. Not sure where she will ultimately get in and attend but Princeton turned her off. She had a meeting with one of the professors related to her talent and he was great but she has zero desire to attend. We went 2x, in the hopes that maybe she was there on an off day. Nope. Didn't like it at all. I probed her on this and she said it felt unhappy, old fashioned, too much like a manicured country club. She also was not into the eating clubs on any level, sign in or not. I'm not sure if an 18yo is a millennial or what but she was dead sure that Princeton was something "a parent would like" as in, like an outfit a parent would pick out for a teen, but the teen wouldn't wear it. She didn't love Harvard either. But she did love Yale.

So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Crunchy circuit.

She wants to stay far far far away from Trump voters, yes.

Ah, empathetic and kind, but can't handle the deplorables.

You're damn right, she'll fight the cretans who marched in C'Ville and protect the rights that have been eroded by the president the deplorables voted in. Yes.

[Anonymous]

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So she applied to Yale early and will not apply to H and P? What are her backups?

applying to Brown, Tufts, Northeastern, BU, Vassar, Bard, Cornell, Wes

Overkill. A girl with Yale stats isn't going to get rejected from any of those schools outside of maybe Brown.