Trump announces policy banning transgender military service

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about completing the surgery and hormone rounds first, then joining the service. Take the "trans" out of it. Declare the new gender.

Umm ... you never complete the hormones. It's lifetime maintenance.

So, there isn't one member if the armed forces who currently take a pill or pills for something on a daily basis? No generals taking Lipitor?

Whee does the military stand, say, if a man who survived testicular cancer wants to join? Or a woman who developed breast cancer at 22 and list both breasts?

Whoa -- I was actually pointing that out in favor of the trans troops. My point is that this idea that you could have a pure post-op DADT policy is impossible. Trans troops will be "out," at least to their doctors, unless they choose to serve as the gender assigned at birth and never act as their true gender.

They are still transgender at that point. They would still be affected.

Anyway, Trump just pulled this out of his ass - he's not looking for a way to balance any legitimate concerns about safety or cost against the equal rights or the need for more capable soldiers to enlist. He's just pandering to some far right nutters to placate them since he doesn't have his stupid wall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Via Twitter naturally.

I cannot believe he went there right now when he is so beleaguered by problems of his own making already.



https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890193981585444864

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890196164313833472

DISTRAXT, DISTRACT. And Dems and media have fallen for this hook, line & sinker

Here's the thing. Distracting or not, this is a big deal to transgender people. He could shoot someone in Times Square and you could say we fell for a distraction, but what's the alternative, to not care?

[Anonymous]

Here's the thing. Distracting or not, this is a big deal to transgender people. He could shoot someone in Times Square and you could say we fell for a distraction, but what's the alternative, to not care?

Here's the thing: This is a big deal to the military mission. There are plenty of other ways for transgenders to serve. They can be civilian employees, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Here's the thing. Distracting or not, this is a big deal to transgender people. He could shoot someone in Times Square and you could say we fell for a distraction, but what's the alternative, to not care?

Here's the thing: This is a big deal to the military mission. There are plenty of other ways for transgenders to serve. They can be civilian employees, etc.

What is the military mission? How does this affect the military mission? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

You cannot accommodate every segment of our population nor should you. Less that 4% of the population in the US is LGBT with about a third of 1% being transgender. We all have rights but we cannot all be guaranteed everything.

[Anonymous]

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-pulley-scott-are-recruiters-misleading-women-20170725-story.html#nws=mcnewsletter

a little off-topic--but on the subject of unintended consequences

[Anonymous]

What is the military mission? How does this affect the military mission? Thanks.

Part of it includes war. War includes being out for long periods of time on firebases or at camps. In war zones with lots of tough issues. People in close quarters. Even in the best of circumstances it can be very, very tough. People who are working through personal issues have a tough time. I have not seen any transgender people who are not working through something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the thing. Distracting or not, this is a big deal to transgender people. He could shoot someone in Times Square and you could say we fell for a distraction, but what's the alternative, to not care?

Here's the thing: This is a big deal to the military mission. There are plenty of other ways for transgenders to serve. They can be civilian employees, etc.

What is the military mission? How does this affect the military mission? Thanks.

I hope the mission is and will always be keeping US citizens safe. Sort of like an air traffic controller. Keep the planes safe in the sky. I don't want a air traffic controller sick from his or her hormones or more worried about personal issues than the job at hand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the thing. Distracting or not, this is a big deal to transgender people. He could shoot someone in Times Square and you could say we fell for a distraction, but what's the alternative, to not care?

Here's the thing: This is a big deal to the military mission. There are plenty of other ways for transgenders to serve. They can be civilian employees, etc.

What is the military mission? How does this affect the military mission? Thanks.

I hope the mission is and will always be keeping US citizens safe. Sort of like an air traffic controller. Keep the planes safe in the sky. I don't want a air traffic controller sick from his or her hormones or more worried about personal issues than the job at hand.

Same reason for banning women, right? After all, we're affected negatively by hormones at least one week out of the month.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the thing. Distracting or not, this is a big deal to transgender people. He could shoot someone in Times Square and you could say we fell for a distraction, but what's the alternative, to not care?

Here's the thing: This is a big deal to the military mission. There are plenty of other ways for transgenders to serve. They can be civilian employees, etc.

What is the military mission? How does this affect the military mission? Thanks.

I hope the mission is and will always be keeping US citizens safe. Sort of like an air traffic controller. Keep the planes safe in the sky. I don't want a air traffic controller sick from his or her hormones or more worried about personal issues than the job at hand.

Same reason for banning women, right? After all, we're affected negatively by hormones at least one week out of the month.

I'm so lucky to be a straight white male because we are never distracted by personal issues. Occasionally one of us goes on a shooting spree, but you can't blame hormones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the thing. Distracting or not, this is a big deal to transgender people. He could shoot someone in Times Square and you could say we fell for a distraction, but what's the alternative, to not care?

Here's the thing: This is a big deal to the military mission. There are plenty of other ways for transgenders to serve. They can be civilian employees, etc.

What is the military mission? How does this affect the military mission? Thanks.

I hope the mission is and will always be keeping US citizens safe. Sort of like an air traffic controller. Keep the planes safe in the sky. I don't want a air traffic controller sick from his or her hormones or more worried about personal issues than the job at hand.

Same reason for banning women, right? After all, we're affected negatively by hormones at least one week out of the month.

I wouldn't trust myself with a rocket launcher on day 28.

[Anonymous]

I'm so lucky to be a straight white male because we are never distracted by personal issues. Occasionally one of us goes on a shooting spree, but you can't blame hormones.

Suggest you read the twitter link posted earlier. The vet from the Iraqi firebase acknowledges that it is tough on everyone there--even the men. If you read it, I don't see how you cannot understand the issue.
FWIW, women do not currently serve in that job. Almost no women are in the infantry at present. The rules with transgenders could be quite confusing.

[jsteele]

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I'm so lucky to be a straight white male because we are never distracted by personal issues. Occasionally one of us goes on a shooting spree, but you can't blame hormones.

Suggest you read the twitter link posted earlier. The vet from the Iraqi firebase acknowledges that it is tough on everyone there--even the men. If you read it, I don't see how you cannot understand the issue.
FWIW, women do not currently serve in that job. Almost no women are in the infantry at present. The rules with transgenders could be quite confusing.

There are transgender members of the military now. Yet, the institution is not collapsing.

[Anonymous]

There are transgender members of the military now. Yet, the institution is not collapsing.

And, it is highly unlikely that they are serving at firebases. We have a long way to go to work out the issues before this can happen. For example, women are not on firebases (rare exceptions, if any). So, if you are a transgender male would you be allowed to serve there? A transgender female? You don't understand the problems with this in very, very tight quarters? Ask most war vets--boredom, fear, and the day to day monotony are some of the biggest issues.

There is a lot to be worked out first. Society is still having trouble with this. Let is go first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Here's the thing. Distracting or not, this is a big deal to transgender people. He could shoot someone in Times Square and you could say we fell for a distraction, but what's the alternative, to not care?

Here's the thing: This is a big deal to the military mission. There are plenty of other ways for transgenders to serve. They can be civilian employees, etc.

What is the military mission? How does this affect the military mission? Thanks.

I hope the mission is and will always be keeping US citizens safe. Sort of like an air traffic controller. Keep the planes safe in the sky. I don't want a air traffic controller sick from his or her hormones or more worried about personal issues than the job at hand.

Your assumption is that suddenly all transgendered people are having "personal issues."

Are all male service members on government-paid viagra too focused on fraternizing and having sex than the job at hand?