Trump announces policy banning transgender military service

[Anonymous]

People are free to be trans - to the extent of cross dressing etc- off duty ill assume..the issue is wanting to be trans on the job and asking a stretched military to focus on supporting that. I'll also assume that if you have had your sex reassigned prior to enlisting you can serve as the reassigned sex, and those currently serving will be grandfathered in - probably without special accommodations beyond treating them as their currently biological sex. The details haven't exactly been fleshed out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There are transgender members of the military now. Yet, the institution is not collapsing.

And, it is highly unlikely that they are serving at firebases. We have a long way to go to work out the issues before this can happen. For example, women are not on firebases (rare exceptions, if any). So, if you are a transgender male would you be allowed to serve there? A transgender female? You don't understand the problems with this in very, very tight quarters? Ask most war vets--boredom, fear, and the day to day monotony are some of the biggest issues.

There is a lot to be worked out first. Society is still having trouble with this. Let is go first.

Let's be real: the vast majority of the military are NOT on firebases. They are pushing paper, working in logistics, repairs, or one of hundreds of other "mission support" jobs. There's ZERO good reasons why transgender citizens cannot do those jobs.

Y'all are a bunch of bullshitting faux concern trolls.

[Anonymous]

Let's be real: the vast majority of the military are NOT on firebases. They are pushing paper, working in logistics, repairs, or one of hundreds of other "mission support" jobs. There's ZERO good reasons why transgender citizens cannot do those jobs.

Y'all are a bunch of bullshitting faux concern trolls.

That is absolutely true. However, they are subject to deployment.

And, are you now suggesting that we let transgenders join the Army--but don't let them be deployed? Not be in the Infantry or other Combat Arms? Women have been fighting to get in the Infantry.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Let's be real: the vast majority of the military are NOT on firebases. They are pushing paper, working in logistics, repairs, or one of hundreds of other "mission support" jobs. There's ZERO good reasons why transgender citizens cannot do those jobs.

Y'all are a bunch of bullshitting faux concern trolls.

That is absolutely true. However, they are subject to deployment.

And, are you now suggesting that we let transgenders join the Army--but don't let them be deployed? Not be in the Infantry or other Combat Arms? Women have been fighting to get in the Infantry.

Again, there are transgender members of the military now. Whatever the military is doing now seems to be working. You are acting like this is something new. It is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Let's be real: the vast majority of the military are NOT on firebases. They are pushing paper, working in logistics, repairs, or one of hundreds of other "mission support" jobs. There's ZERO good reasons why transgender citizens cannot do those jobs.

Y'all are a bunch of bullshitting faux concern trolls.

That is absolutely true. However, they are subject to deployment.

And, are you now suggesting that we let transgenders join the Army--but don't let them be deployed? Not be in the Infantry or other Combat Arms? Women have been fighting to get in the Infantry.

I'm not saying they not be deployed.

If they can't meet the requirements of the job, they will be discharged. Just like any other idiot chowderhead. If they have medical issues, they won't get medical clearance for deployment and will eventually be discharged.

My point is that we need the chain of command to make those decisions, not hack politicians pandering for votes. Those "military families" and vets showing their bigotry on this issue have no legs to stand on....that's my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Let's be real: the vast majority of the military are NOT on firebases. They are pushing paper, working in logistics, repairs, or one of hundreds of other "mission support" jobs. There's ZERO good reasons why transgender citizens cannot do those jobs.

Y'all are a bunch of bullshitting faux concern trolls.

That is absolutely true. However, they are subject to deployment.

And, are you now suggesting that we let transgenders join the Army--but don't let them be deployed? Not be in the Infantry or other Combat Arms? Women have been fighting to get in the Infantry.

Women are already in the infantry. There are also two women in the Navy Seal pipeline now. And there is a famous T-former Navy Seal, Kristen Beck.

[jsteele]

Here are some stories produced by the military about transgender service members:

Nevada Guard sergeant embraces DoD transgender policy
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/238534/nevada-guard-sergeant-embraces-dod-transgender-policy

Transgender Airman flies high with new AF policy
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/219430/transgender-airman-flies-high-with-new-af-policy

Service with acceptance
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/217064/service-with-acceptance

A new woman: Transgender civilian Airman embraces change
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/191591/new-woman-transgender-civilian-airman-embraces-change

The military is far ahead of many of the posters in this forum.

[Anonymous]

Most women do not have the physical strength to be Seals. Transgender surgery is time consuming and debilitating. It does complicate life. First is the social transition then medical transition.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Here are some stories produced by the military about transgender service members:

Nevada Guard sergeant embraces DoD transgender policy
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/238534/nevada-guard-sergeant-embraces-dod-transgender-policy

Transgender Airman flies high with new AF policy
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/219430/transgender-airman-flies-high-with-new-af-policy

Service with acceptance
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/217064/service-with-acceptance

A new woman: Transgender civilian Airman embraces change
https://www.dvidshub.net/news/191591/new-woman-transgender-civilian-airman-embraces-change

The military is far ahead of many of the posters in this forum.

It wouldn't surprise if most of those posters are current military families or vets. Speaking from my own relations, there's a huge amount of white, conservative military families who absolutely despise the progress minorities, women, and LBGT service members have made in the military since WW2. They need someone else to look down upon and feel that these undesirables somehow sully their own service.

They are completely mindf#cked and warped in their martyr-hero complex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I literally just certified all of the civilians in my unit as completing our training on the treatment of transgendered in the military. There was a hard deadline and it was mandatory. How can he have consulted with "the generals?" when the generals have all been telling us to get trained up to ensure these people are treated well and properly.

Did I heard something about future changes Gen. Mattis is going to make to focus training on combat preparedness yesterday? Perhaps the certification you worked hard to complete was the training that was going to be eliminated.

Maybe he did confer with the General? I don't know.

[Anonymous]

Has anyone spoken to a General personally who said they loved this policy and it was going great?

No? Okay then STFU.

[Anonymous]

It wouldn't surprise if most of those posters are current military families or vets. Speaking from my own relations, there's a huge amount of white, conservative military families who absolutely despise the progress minorities, women, and LBGT service members have made in the military since WW2. They need someone else to look down upon and feel that these undesirables somehow sully their own service.

They are completely mindf#cked and warped in their martyr-hero complex.

Wow. Doubt you ever served. If you had, you would know better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you ever commanded a military unit of any type?

For right now, this makes perfect sense. There are many issues to be resolved--for example: PT tests for starters. Does a transgender man have to meet the requirements of a man or a woman? Sexual harassment. This is confusing to people. And complicated.

Sure training can be provided. Training for this costs money and time when we have many hotbeds of activity around the world. And, yes, it appears that the military is attractive to people who wish to transgender because of the healthcare costs. And, think about this, the surgery must surely require a lot of time off from work--as well as the expense. Do we really want to deploy someone who is going through transition?

This is a military readiness issue.

This is not an easy topic. It is complicated and expensive.

It's also expensive to recruit and train 15,000 people who will now replace those being ejected from service.

Bottom line, if someone wants to sacrifice for the liberty and freedom of our country, what difference does it make whether they are white, black, brown, mail, female or trans?

It doesn't.

Any answer to the contrary is simple bigotry.

How about excluding transgender surgery from benefits?

Well, for starters we should exclude transgnder surgery for convicted traitors, courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. Can we all agree on that at least?

[Anonymous]

I'm troubled by the push for changes under the last administration preceding a thorough plan to implement well. I am fine with a moratorium simply because the way it was rolled out was by fiat with the chips falling as they may. We are actively fighting a war on many fronts, we have airplanes flying without sufficient parts. I do believe the day will come when all of this is moot, and no one bats an eye at trans in the military or elsewhere. But we are not there. Unfortunately I think president Obama probably set this back. No one is going to want to touch this again for a long time .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about completing the surgery and hormone rounds first, then joining the service. Take the "trans" out of it. Declare the new gender.

Then they have to pay for it themselves, PP....