NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide

[Anonymous]

The school system could just get help for the kid who expressed suicidal thoughts rather than discontinuing a program that many of the kids who aren't suffering from anxiety, depression, etc. still want to participate in.

School boards and education experts are not about logic and common sense. Of course, if a child is suicidal about school or athletic performance the solution is simple.... get rid of academics or athletics!

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From the sound of things I would never consider this school district for my family. I suspect many others would feel the same. Maybe the superintendent is realizing that people are going to start fleeing his district if parents insist on a Korean or Indian model of education. And are we really talking about the value of math and spelling memorization in a world with calculators and auto-correct? These kids are going to be run over by the kids who learned creativity, social skills, leadership, and love of learning.

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Anonymous wrote:If the school disctrict is 65% asian, couldn't the asian parents just run for the school board and get a majority of seats on it?

Town is still majority but what exactly is the platform, don't take any steps to lessen the pressure on our kids even if they express suicidal thoughts in class work?

Majority white.

The school system could just get help for the kid who expressed suicidal thoughts rather than discontinuing a program that many of the kids who aren't suffering from anxiety, depression, etc. still want to participate in.

What on earth are you talking about? They haven't discontinued anything other than giving school credit for summer classes.

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Anonymous wrote:If the school disctrict is 65% asian, couldn't the asian parents just run for the school board and get a majority of seats on it?

Town is still majority but what exactly is the platform, don't take any steps to lessen the pressure on our kids even if they express suicidal thoughts in class work?

Majority white.

The school system could just get help for the kid who expressed suicidal thoughts rather than discontinuing a program that many of the kids who aren't suffering from anxiety, depression, etc. still want to participate in.

What on earth are you talking about? They haven't discontinued anything other than giving school credit for summer classes.

They discontinued accelerated math for 4th and 5th graders. It was 90% Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:If the school disctrict is 65% asian, couldn't the asian parents just run for the school board and get a majority of seats on it?

Town is still majority but what exactly is the platform, don't take any steps to lessen the pressure on our kids even if they express suicidal thoughts in class work?

Majority white.

The school system could just get help for the kid who expressed suicidal thoughts rather than discontinuing a program that many of the kids who aren't suffering from anxiety, depression, etc. still want to participate in.

What on earth are you talking about? They haven't discontinued anything other than giving school credit for summer classes.

They discontinued accelerated math for 4th and 5th graders. It was 90% Asian.

I think it would be more accurate to say that they discontinued a program that many of the kids' PARENTS wanted the kids to participate in.

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Anonymous wrote:If the school disctrict is 65% asian, couldn't the asian parents just run for the school board and get a majority of seats on it?

Town is still majority but what exactly is the platform, don't take any steps to lessen the pressure on our kids even if they express suicidal thoughts in class work?

Majority white.

The school system could just get help for the kid who expressed suicidal thoughts rather than discontinuing a program that many of the kids who aren't suffering from anxiety, depression, etc. still want to participate in.

What on earth are you talking about? They haven't discontinued anything other than giving school credit for summer classes.

They discontinued accelerated math for 4th and 5th graders. It was 90% Asian.

They moved the start of the program from 4th to 6th grade. The same thing happened in Baltimore county, apparently there is some research that middle school is the proper time to start putting some students a year or more ahead. Pretty sure most kids in accelerated math in Baltimore County are white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the sound of things I would never consider this school district for my family. I suspect many others would feel the same. Maybe the superintendent is realizing that people are going to start fleeing his district if parents insist on a Korean or Indian model of education. And are we really talking about the value of math and spelling memorization in a world with calculators and auto-correct? These kids are going to be run over by the kids who learned creativity, social skills, leadership, and love of learning.

Princeton Junction is one of the top school districts in New Jersey and many families move there specifically for the quality of their public schools.

But if you feel that the area and schools are not your cup of tea then by all means, no one is forced to live there. No one is talking about a Korean or Indian model of education, they are talking about offering advanced classes such as those offered in AAP or any other gifted and talented programs... Just as no one in MoCo or Fairfax is forced to go to their g&t program, no one is forced to take these programs in Princeton junction either.

But it sounds like they are revamping their math curriculum like MoCo awhile ago. Not a big deal. True math whizzes are not going to miss getting into MIT by not having geometry in fifth grade.

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Anonymous wrote:If the school disctrict is 65% asian, couldn't the asian parents just run for the school board and get a majority of seats on it?

Town is still majority but what exactly is the platform, don't take any steps to lessen the pressure on our kids even if they express suicidal thoughts in class work?

Majority white.

The school system could just get help for the kid who expressed suicidal thoughts rather than discontinuing a program that many of the kids who aren't suffering from anxiety, depression, etc. still want to participate in.

What on earth are you talking about? They haven't discontinued anything other than giving school credit for summer classes.

They discontinued accelerated math for 4th and 5th graders. It was 90% Asian.

I think it would be more accurate to say that they discontinued a program that many of the kids' PARENTS wanted the kids to participate in.

Well, elementary students don't get to choose what they take unlike hs and college students. They take what their teachers and parents tell them to take.

[Anonymous]

I believe a lot of people are anti-legacy. However, it is difficult to bring a legal case against this (as well as SES). It is easier to bring a legal case on the basis of race due to the equal protection clause.

I have been for SES-based affirmative action since day one. Schools also need to do a much better job reaching out to poor students in poor areas at a MUCH younger age so that they get on the right 'track'. It doesn't help having elite school counselors doing 'outreach' in your poor nabe or poor school when you are in 11th grade. That's too late.

Society loses out when smart kids can't go to college because their parents don't have the financial means to not only pay tuition, but also to get them on the right track at an early age. Bright kids are born into families from high to low on the financial spectrum. We need to get the bright kids from poor families ready for college and then help them to afford it. Our society will benefit in the long run because those kids will grow up to be real contributors both in their work lives and as citizens. Who knows what they might discover or invent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1

There is a reason why a fool like Trump has such a solid, silent following in America. He promises to build the tallest impenetrable wall around America and restore America to it's former greatness, restore the status quo with the white 6 percent of the global population once again consuming 40 percent of global resources!

I like his vision of our country!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the sound of things I would never consider this school district for my family. I suspect many others would feel the same. Maybe the superintendent is realizing that people are going to start fleeing his district if parents insist on a Korean or Indian model of education. And are we really talking about the value of math and spelling memorization in a world with calculators and auto-correct? These kids are going to be run over by the kids who learned creativity, social skills, leadership, and love of learning.

You are very right!
I feel sorry for the kids pressured like many Indians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the sound of things I would never consider this school district for my family. I suspect many others would feel the same. Maybe the superintendent is realizing that people are going to start fleeing his district if parents insist on a Korean or Indian model of education. And are we really talking about the value of math and spelling memorization in a world with calculators and auto-correct? These kids are going to be run over by the kids who learned creativity, social skills, leadership, and love of learning.

Nope. This has been going on for decades, and Asian Americans, as a group, are doing much better that ANY other group.

If anything, they are being run over by the BS-educated whites and blacks who need affirmative action programs (by race, legacy or sports) to compensate for their poor academic preparation.

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Anonymous wrote:From the sound of things I would never consider this school district for my family. I suspect many others would feel the same. Maybe the superintendent is realizing that people are going to start fleeing his district if parents insist on a Korean or Indian model of education. And are we really talking about the value of math and spelling memorization in a world with calculators and auto-correct? These kids are going to be run over by the kids who learned creativity, social skills, leadership, and love of learning.

Nope. This has been going on for decades, and Asian Americans, as a group, are doing much better that ANY other group.

If anything, they are being run over by the BS-educated whites and blacks who need affirmative action programs (by race, legacy or sports) to compensate for their poor academic preparation.

The Asian-Americans (meaning, kids with parents who were immigrants from Asia (country unspecified)and who grew up in the US) were educated in the US education system.

Or you could define Asian-Americans as people who immigrated from Asia (country unspecified) to the US, in which case it should not be surprising that Asian-Americans are doing well, given that Asian-American immigrants are a. immigrants (unenterprising, unambitious people don't tend to immigrate) and b. well-educated.

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Anonymous wrote:From the sound of things I would never consider this school district for my family. I suspect many others would feel the same. Maybe the superintendent is realizing that people are going to start fleeing his district if parents insist on a Korean or Indian model of education. And are we really talking about the value of math and spelling memorization in a world with calculators and auto-correct? These kids are going to be run over by the kids who learned creativity, social skills, leadership, and love of learning.

Nope. This has been going on for decades, and Asian Americans, as a group, are doing much better that ANY other group.

If anything, they are being run over by the BS-educated whites and blacks who need affirmative action programs (by race, legacy or sports) to compensate for their poor academic preparation.

You are mixing up testing well to actual success in the work force.
Being in the high tech field, I can tell you it is such a pain in my ass to work with Chinese and Indians. It is quite clear they are lacking creativity and the ability to work as part of the team.
Europeans, both eastern and western Europeans, I have found have much stronger skills.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but life isn't all standardized tests.

[Anonymous]

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Nope. This has been going on for decades, and Asian Americans, as a group, are doing much better that ANY other group.

If anything, they are being run over by the BS-educated whites and blacks who need affirmative action programs (by race, legacy or sports) to compensate for their poor academic preparation.

You are mixing up testing well to actual success in the work force.
Being in the high tech field, I can tell you it is such a pain in my ass to work with Chinese and Indians. It is quite clear they are lacking creativity and the ability to work as part of the team.
Europeans, both eastern and western Europeans, I have found have much stronger skills.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but life isn't all standardized tests.

I am not the PP you are responding to. But here is what the Pew Research Center says:

Asian Americans are the highest-income, best-educated and fastest-growing racial group in the United States. They are more satisfied than the general public with their lives, finances and the direction of the country, and they place more value than other Americans do on marriage, parenthood, hard work and career success, according to a comprehensive new nationwide survey by the Pew Research Center.

I certainly consider income, education, and satisfaction with lives and finances as measures of doing well. Perhaps you have a different opinion.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/06/19/the-rise-of-asian-americans/