Why Asian American kids excel. It’s not ‘Tiger Moms.’

[Anonymous]

While not all graduates of Ivy League colleges are smart, all sock puppets are boring.

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Who? The lady who received a full academic scholarship to an Ivy League undergraduate program but refuses to say how she managed to do so and attended Ivy League school(s) even though she doesn't like prestige. She doesn't care for money but she is well remunerated as well. She is also an expert on Asian culture working in "international development" but demonstrates a complete ignorance of Asian culture. That lady.

In my opinion, anybody who thinks that there is such a thing as "Asian culture" is ignorant.

I mean, just think of all of those people from Pakistan with their Confucian values, or the heart-warming way that the ethnic Burmese and the Rohingya form a community, or the regular visits by Chinese and Korean government officials to the Yasukuni Shrine!

Plus a million

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yo, Ivy League lady, how did you get your academic scholarship money?

She received her academic scholarship when she demonstrated her passion for Asian American studies with emphasis on "traditional Asian shame culture".

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Anonymous wrote:Yo, Ivy League lady, how did you get your academic scholarship money?

She received her academic scholarship when she demonstrated her passion for Asian American studies with emphasis on "traditional Asian shame culture".

She conducted scientific studies on her academic interest by talking to her Asian husband including various in-laws from the husband's family side which were published in peer reviewed journals such as "International Development" and "Shaming Asian Cultures".

[Anonymous]

None of the Ivies were co-ed until 1977:
http://www.quora.com/When-did-each-of-the-Ivy-League-colleges-start-admitting-women

So a female poster wouldn't have been able to get a 'full academic scholarship to the Ivy League' in the early or mid 1970's anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the Ivies were co-ed until 1977:
http://www.quora.com/When-did-each-of-the-Ivy-League-colleges-start-admitting-women

So a female poster wouldn't have been able to get a 'full academic scholarship to the Ivy League' in the early or mid 1970's anyway.

Weii, I guess the lady is between a rock and a hard place.

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And while some argue about the deficiencies in how Asian Americans approach the education of their children compared to others, the latest SAT scores show a further overall deterioration in scores ............... BUT when you compare the combined SAT scores of Asian-American kids with other races (including whites) from 2006 to 2015 the scores of every racial/ethnic group has gone down with the exception of Asian-Americans whose score has gone up significantly.

Combined SAT Score in 2015, and Changes Since 2006, by Race/Ethnicity Group

American Indian 1423 -27

Asian-American 1654 +54

Black 1277 -14

Mexican-American 1343 -28

Puerto Rican 1347 -16

Other Hispanic 1345 -26

White 1576 -6

But, go right ahead believing Asian-American kids are this very unhappy group who are forced by their parents to be automatons who don't think for themselves, lack leadership skills and have no interest in anything other than academics!

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of the Ivies were co-ed until 1977:
http://www.quora.com/When-did-each-of-the-Ivy-League-colleges-start-admitting-women

So a female poster wouldn't have been able to get a 'full academic scholarship to the Ivy League' in the early or mid 1970's anyway.

That's factually incorrect. For example, Yale started admitting women in the fall of 1969. Brown's women's college (Pembroke) merged with Brown in 1971. You shouldn't believe everything you read on the Internet.

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Anonymous wrote:And while some argue about the deficiencies in how Asian Americans approach the education of their children compared to others, the latest SAT scores show a further overall deterioration in scores ............... BUT when you compare the combined SAT scores of Asian-American kids with other races (including whites) from 2006 to 2015 the scores of every racial/ethnic group has gone down with the exception of Asian-Americans whose score has gone up significantly.

But, go right ahead believing Asian-American kids are this very unhappy group who are forced by their parents to be automatons who don't think for themselves, lack leadership skills and have no interest in anything other than academics!

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large

Shorter PP: It's not true that Asian-American kids are interested in nothing but academics! Just look at their increasing SAT scores!

Um.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And while some argue about the deficiencies in how Asian Americans approach the education of their children compared to others, the latest SAT scores show a further overall deterioration in scores ............... BUT when you compare the combined SAT scores of Asian-American kids with other races (including whites) from 2006 to 2015 the scores of every racial/ethnic group has gone down with the exception of Asian-Americans whose score has gone up significantly.

But, go right ahead believing Asian-American kids are this very unhappy group who are forced by their parents to be automatons who don't think for themselves, lack leadership skills and have no interest in anything other than academics!

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large

Shorter PP: It's not true that Asian-American kids are interested in nothing but academics! Just look at their increasing SAT scores!

Um.

Another version: Asian Americans are interested in academics and other things as well. Meantime, Asians continue to excel and perform better than any other groups despite all the naysayers!

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Another version: Asian Americans are interested in academics and other things as well. Meantime, Asians continue to excel and perform better than any other groups despite all the naysayers!

No, that's not what that post said.

If you're trying to make the point that Asian-Americans are interested in non-academic things, then consider providing some examples of Asian-Americans who do non-academic things. There are plenty of Asian-Americans who do non-academic things, so that really shouldn't be a difficult task.

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Another version: Asian Americans are interested in academics and other things as well. Meantime, Asians continue to excel and perform better than any other groups despite all the naysayers!

No, that's not what that post said.

If you're trying to make the point that Asian-Americans are interested in non-academic things, then consider providing some examples of Asian-Americans who do non-academic things. There are plenty of Asian-Americans who do non-academic things, so that really shouldn't be a difficult task.

Music (classical), sport (golf, swimming, tennis etc.), martial arts, poker, video gaming (producing, playing etc.), cooking, fashion design, pop music ......

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Interestingly, no. Parents don't put children first. Asian cultures tend to elevate elders -- which means that children are pretty low on the totem pole. That's why their individual happiness doesn't matter as much as "making the family proud" and pursuing a prestige career.

Western cultures tend to be child-focused. Asian cultures tend to be elder-focused. An interesting activity is to ask your Western and Asian friends who they would save if they were in a capsizing boat and could only save their children or their parents. Westerners tend to choose their children, Asians tend to choose their parents.

In my experience, this is also why many Asian parents don't enjoy a friendly relationship with their adult children the way Americans in healthy family relationships usually do -- there is a lifetime of control and vicarious living/shaming that prevents it.

I don't think Asian cultures are better, but what you wrote there shows your complete ignorance and stupidity. Asian grandparents would say to save the children; the Asian parents would feel the same. Asians revere elders in a sense that they are more wise because they have more experience. I have told my gifted child the same thing - that while she may some day surpass me in her academic knowledge, I will always be wiser than her (except maybe if I start going senile). And a lot of Asian parents live with their adult children. The concept of putting your aging parents in an old folks home is not as prevalent amongst the Asian cultures.

Asian families focus on their children, and that includes older parents that focus on their adult children. I don't necessarily think that's a good thing, but you are very confused about the Asian culture. And yes, I say "Asian" because what PP wrote is true.. many of the Asian cultures do have this in common.

LOL my complete ignorance and stupidity includes being married to an Asian, having asked him and my BILs and SILs this question, and having them answer the way I've indicated. Oh, and 15+ years of international development work in which we use this exercise to get people thinking about cultural differences.

Sorry you have a problem with Asian culture!

Well, I think that you are ignorant and stupid (or your DH is) because you married someone raised in "shame culture". And it surely sounds like a dysfunctional family where they will pick someone like you who sees their culture in such disdain.

Were you knocked up before marriage?

He didn't want to marry any Asian women, he said they are bitches. You're totally proving him right

Actually, your DH does not know me. But, he does know his own mother, sisters and other female relations - and if he thinks that they are bitches, who am I to disagree?

And then usually men try and marry someone like their own mom - so he chose you! So, YAY, the son of a bitch got his own bitch!

AND ---> (because your 100% is my 50%).

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of the Ivies were co-ed until 1977:
http://www.quora.com/When-did-each-of-the-Ivy-League-colleges-start-admitting-women

So a female poster wouldn't have been able to get a 'full academic scholarship to the Ivy League' in the early or mid 1970's anyway.

Weii, I guess the lady is between a rock and a hard place.

The "different poster" (not the Asian cultures person) posted about being offered an almost full tuition scholarship in the late 70s, not early to mid decade. Women most definitely attended Ivies in the late 70s. And someone who was offered a scholarship as a high school senior in the late seventies would have graduated in the 80s.

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Anonymous wrote:And while some argue about the deficiencies in how Asian Americans approach the education of their children compared to others, the latest SAT scores show a further overall deterioration in scores ............... BUT when you compare the combined SAT scores of Asian-American kids with other races (including whites) from 2006 to 2015 the scores of every racial/ethnic group has gone down with the exception of Asian-Americans whose score has gone up significantly.

But, go right ahead believing Asian-American kids are this very unhappy group who are forced by their parents to be automatons who don't think for themselves, lack leadership skills and have no interest in anything other than academics!

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large

Shorter PP: It's not true that Asian-American kids are interested in nothing but academics! Just look at their increasing SAT scores!

Um.

Whites just can't stand Asians being smarter despite racism so it's always the same old attacks. I guess they have to add the disgraced Ivy lady's "Asian shame culture" attack to the arsenal.