Eight People Shot in Black Church in Charleston, South Carolina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I followed the discussion just fine - this is what you wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."

Not Jeff. He later corrected himself. I myself was not aware until now (I think I had heard it before and forgotten) that SC flies the Confederate flag at their state house. They really should take it down today. And not put it up again.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there any charities or banks set up to contribute to, to help the victims and survivors?

Here is the church's website: http://www.emanuelamechurch.org

It has a "donate" button.

Thank you.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a fake nose in addition to a wig. I hope people don't fall for any insanity bullshit - this was obviously premeditated and the killer wants to get away with it.

Crazy people can be intelligent and excellent planners. Mental illness is just not the irrational, mumbling homeless people you see wondering the D.C. streets.
Mental illness is an insidious, awful thing that is manifested in myriad ways.

Crazy comes in degrees. I am sure most people have some degree of crazy. Stop making excuses for this criminal. He wasn't too crazy to not know what he was doing was wrong. He disguised himself and possibly wore body armor to protect himself.

Not PP, but how is saying he's crazy an excuse? There is no excuse. But to perpetrate something like this, you must have issues. You just have to. Doesn't mean you are incapable of planning and executing the plan.

Thanks - I am the one to whom pp was responding. I don't understand when people say calling someone crazy is excusing their actions. That is dumb as hell. Crazy or sane, if you are dangerous you need to be locked up somewhere. How is that excusing anything? This right here is how and why we have broken mental health system in this country, we think identifying and understanding mental illness is excusing it. Stupid.

If you want people to accept mental illness as an excuse, then you have to accept it for all groups of people. It is always an excuse for whites, but other racial groups are automatically assumed criminal without any regards to their mental state. Now, that's dumb as hell.

More than one person told you that mental illness is not an excuse. Yet you continue to pander about your own delusions. Can't you read?

Then stop using it as an excuse, reason, or validation. He is a mass murderer. A thug. A criminal. A monster. There are plenty of people with mental illnesses of varying degrees and they are not murderes, thugs, monsters.

Repeat: you've been told many times by several people that it is NOT an excuse, and no one is using it as an excuse. What language do you understand better? I may be able to relay it to you better.

Then call him what he is: murderer, monster, mass murderer, thug, criminal . Use the same terminology you liken to alll other groups who commit monstrous acts. Do you also think Wint is mentally ill, because his acts may have been more monstrous than this kid's, but who on DCUM labeled him mentally ill. Leave the medical diagnosis to the psychiatrists.

[Anonymous]

I'm catching wind that he was caught in NC near Charlotte.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

It's the way you went about it and where.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like a fake nose in addition to a wig. I hope people don't fall for any insanity bullshit - this was obviously premeditated and the killer wants to get away with it.

Crazy people can be intelligent and excellent planners. Mental illness is just not the irrational, mumbling homeless people you see wondering the D.C. streets.
Mental illness is an insidious, awful thing that is manifested in myriad ways.

Crazy comes in degrees. I am sure most people have some degree of crazy. Stop making excuses for this criminal. He wasn't too crazy to not know what he was doing was wrong. He disguised himself and possibly wore body armor to protect himself.

Not PP, but how is saying he's crazy an excuse? There is no excuse. But to perpetrate something like this, you must have issues. You just have to. Doesn't mean you are incapable of planning and executing the plan.

Thanks - I am the one to whom pp was responding. I don't understand when people say calling someone crazy is excusing their actions. That is dumb as hell. Crazy or sane, if you are dangerous you need to be locked up somewhere. How is that excusing anything? This right here is how and why we have broken mental health system in this country, we think identifying and understanding mental illness is excusing it. Stupid.

If you want people to accept mental illness as an excuse, then you have to accept it for all groups of people. It is always an excuse for whites, but other racial groups are automatically assumed criminal without any regards to their mental state. Now, that's dumb as hell.

More than one person told you that mental illness is not an excuse. Yet you continue to pander about your own delusions. Can't you read?

Then stop using it as an excuse, reason, or validation. He is a mass murderer. A thug. A criminal. A monster. There are plenty of people with mental illnesses of varying degrees and they are not murderes, thugs, monsters.

Yes. You can rightfully call him all of these things. Why does it bother you so much that he also is clearly mentally ill?

It doesn't. He may or not be. What bothers me is that when the murderer is white, that is the immediate go to, as if white people would never kill unless affected by mental illness. What bothers me is the hypocrisy so many of you display.

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

It's the way you went about it and where.

If there was a single post in this thread that was undeniably "troll-like", it was your post suggesting that the attack was provoked by black activists. Given your apparent regard for decorum in threads, would you like to explain that further?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm catching wind that he was caught in NC near Charlotte.

Yes, being reported that he has been captured. They spotted him on some surveillance and that lead to his arrest.

[Anonymous]

And, I say again, this is what Jeff wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."
Whether he later corrected himself or not is not the point - the point is, as the moderator of this site, I believe he is held to a higher standard than the average DCUM poster who isn't expected to get their facts straight. Jeff should get his facts straight.

[Anonymous]

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/17/americas_angriest_white_men_up_close_with_racism_rage_and_southern_supremacy/

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[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

Why should he fly a SC flag? Because he lives in SC? Why not US flag then? He lives in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

Why should he fly a SC flag? Because he lives in SC? Why not US flag then? He lives in the US.

That would be nice. He's not wearing a US flag, though, is he? And if you can't follow the discussion of SC and the flag flying over the state house, go ahead and google it. Then you'll be able to keep up with the discussion.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:And, I say again, this is what Jeff wrote:
"He could just have the South Carolina state flag."
Whether he later corrected himself or not is not the point - the point is, as the moderator of this site, I believe he is held to a higher standard than the average DCUM poster who isn't expected to get their facts straight. Jeff should get his facts straight.

I apologize for typing "South Carolina state flag" instead of "South Carolina State House Flag" which is what I meant to type. If this mistake is what you consider a travesty, rather than the fact that the flag is flying in the first place, I would suggest that you have your priorities misplaced. But, go ahead and argue your opinion that I am the only human being using this website that is not allowed to make a mistake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I understand that the flag flies - I completely disagree with the fact that it flies and I am a South Carolinian. I think the horrific acts of last night would be denounced by all reasonable people - whether we live in a state that flies that flag or not. I think Jeff should be ashamed for posting something that seems to indicate that people in SC are racists.

I don't think you followed the discussion closely. Roof is pictured wearing patches of the Apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesian flags. A poster suggested that he probably had a Confederate battle flag in his bedroom. I simply pointed out that he just needed the flag that flies over the State Capital. If that makes South Carolinians look racist, they should blame their government, not me.

Just gross.

The state elected Tim Scott, one of the finest Freshman Senators out there. Good, good man.

The type of behavior you are exhibiting here is troll-like and self-serving.

The issue is not the people of South Carolina. The issue is symbolism and what symbols reflect. The Apartheid-era South African and Rhodesian flags are symbols of white domination of black people. Similarly, the Confederate Battle Flag is often -- though admittedly not always -- seen in the same light. The fact that the government of South Carolina flies the Confederate Battle Flag over its state capital is undeniable and I fail to see how pointing that out is "gross" or "troll-like".

Why should he fly a SC flag? Because he lives in SC? Why not US flag then? He lives in the US.

That would be nice. He's not wearing a US flag, though, is he? And if you can't follow the discussion of SC and the flag flying over the state house, go ahead and google it. Then you'll be able to keep up with the discussion.

He's not wearing a SC flag either. Talk about keeping up.