LEMON ROAD AAP CENTER

[Anonymous]

Try as you will, Shrevewood AAP Mom, it's objectively indefensible and inequitable. I doubt the principal will get away with that much longer. Seems the cat is out of the bag.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to FCPS's records from September, 318 K-3 classes had 27 or more children in them and 128 K-6 classes had 30 children or more in them. This doesn't even include special ed kids, so the actual number is even higher. Class size is not just a Mclean issue, but nice to know you think it's perfectly acceptable for your AAP child to have their own small class for core instruction while a Mclean general ed child sits in a class of 32.

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So many parents of AAP kids think anything is perfectly acceptable, as long as their kids come first and foremost, always. Small classes, choice of schools; you name it, they will demand it and woe to anyone who stands in their way. I've had more than enough of this sense of entitlement that now pervades FCPS.

[Anonymous]

There are 58 3rd grade students according to the data (22+21+15).

So you McLean people are advocating that we get two classes of 29 students each. Who's being the jerk here? And note that 29 students is over the 2015-16 FCPS class size cap.

Can we also get your rich student body so the PTA has a bunch of funding to pay for enrichment activities too? How about we get all your other benefits - kids who are not hungry, in comfortable home settings, who don't have to learn finances so early in life because their family is just getting by economically, etc. etc.

You're just upset that your McLean snowflakes have more classmates than us common people.

Other schools in more moderate areas should push FCPS to get more staffing. And perhaps Shrevewood families in that 22 person class may have a small gripe and ask about getting it down to 20 (but they currently don't bc it is not a meaningful difference to them).

You McLean people are in overcrowded schools because you don't want to redraw boundaries and move into "non-McLean" schools. What would it do to your self image, property values, etc. if your kids aren't going to a McLean school? Simple solution is to redraw boundaries and spread those kids around and, gasp!, go to schools like Westgate and Lemon Road and Timber Lane and even Shrevewood.

But instead you agitate to keep your kids in those McLean schools, kick out kids who you don't believe "deserve" to be in "your" McLean schools (see Haycock), complain about class sizes, agitate for more teachers, agitate for more physical space and then complain about trailers, etc. etc.

I ask again, who is being the jerk here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 58 3rd grade students according to the data (22+21+15).

So you McLean people are advocating that we get two classes of 29 students each. Who's being the jerk here? And note that 29 students is over the 2015-16 FCPS class size cap.

Can we also get your rich student body so the PTA has a bunch of funding to pay for enrichment activities too? How about we get all your other benefits - kids who are not hungry, in comfortable home settings, who don't have to learn finances so early in life because their family is just getting by economically, etc. etc.

You're just upset that your McLean snowflakes have more classmates than us common people.

Other schools in more moderate areas should push FCPS to get more staffing. And perhaps Shrevewood families in that 22 person class may have a small gripe and ask about getting it down to 20 (but they currently don't bc it is not a meaningful difference to them).

You McLean people are in overcrowded schools because you don't want to redraw boundaries and move into "non-McLean" schools. What would it do to your self image, property values, etc. if your kids aren't going to a McLean school? Simple solution is to redraw boundaries and spread those kids around and, gasp!, go to schools like Westgate and Lemon Road and Timber Lane and even Shrevewood.

But instead you agitate to keep your kids in those McLean schools, kick out kids who you don't believe "deserve" to be in "your" McLean schools (see Haycock), complain about class sizes, agitate for more teachers, agitate for more physical space and then complain about trailers, etc. etc.

I ask again, who is being the jerk here?

Are you kidding? I doubt the lower SES kids are in the AAP class, so the hungry kids thing doesn't work. The families of kids in the other, larger classes ARE upset. Don't kid yourself. Look at yourself trying to justify something you know is patently unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 58 3rd grade students according to the data (22+21+15).

So you McLean people are advocating that we get two classes of 29 students each. Who's being the jerk here? And note that 29 students is over the 2015-16 FCPS class size cap.

Can we also get your rich student body so the PTA has a bunch of funding to pay for enrichment activities too? How about we get all your other benefits - kids who are not hungry, in comfortable home settings, who don't have to learn finances so early in life because their family is just getting by economically, etc. etc.

You're just upset that your McLean snowflakes have more classmates than us common people.

Other schools in more moderate areas should push FCPS to get more staffing. And perhaps Shrevewood families in that 22 person class may have a small gripe and ask about getting it down to 20 (but they currently don't bc it is not a meaningful difference to them).

You McLean people are in overcrowded schools because you don't want to redraw boundaries and move into "non-McLean" schools. What would it do to your self image, property values, etc. if your kids aren't going to a McLean school? Simple solution is to redraw boundaries and spread those kids around and, gasp!, go to schools like Westgate and Lemon Road and Timber Lane and even Shrevewood.

But instead you agitate to keep your kids in those McLean schools, kick out kids who you don't believe "deserve" to be in "your" McLean schools (see Haycock), complain about class sizes, agitate for more teachers, agitate for more physical space and then complain about trailers, etc. etc.

I ask again, who is being the jerk here?

I'm the one who called you a jerk and I don't live in Mclean. And I can't afford a $800,000 plus home on Holly Manor Drive. There are plently of expensive homes in Shrevewood and surrounding areas. You're being a jerk because you think it's acceptable that your school made a special class well under the 26.75 staffing ratio or even 24:1 staffing ratio at Shrevewood just for AAP students and don't realize that by doing that they increased class sizes at other grades. K and 1st at your school are very large. Furthermore, we are being told that FCPS can't afford to give teachers to our school because the staffing reserve is all used up. It's a little hard to understand this when we read about AAP classes under 20 students around the county. I don't get why this school was so excited about going to Haycock for years for AAP with those wealthy McLean kids and then a parent now says to just suck it up with classes over 30 in other areas so they can have some private school size class of AAP students at Shrevewood.

[Anonymous]

I'm also sick of parents who think that any high SES school should somehow have completely subpar schools. All kids in the county should be able to learn well in school. Just because Mclean may be wealthy does not mean their schools need to be twice as large as a typical school in FCPS. Shrevewood is a very typical school in FCPS. Some FARM children, but not over the top.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm also sick of parents who think that any high SES school should somehow have completely subpar schools. All kids in the county should be able to learn well in school. Just because Mclean may be wealthy does not mean their schools need to be twice as large as a typical school in FCPS. Shrevewood is a very typical school in FCPS. Some FARM children, but not over the top.

Meant to say Just because Mclean may be wealthy does not mean their classes need to be twice as large as a typical school in FCPS. I can see them being close to twice as large for a school that is failing and needs remediation. But this is not the case between Shrevewood and any Mclean school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 58 3rd grade students according to the data (22+21+15).

So you McLean people are advocating that we get two classes of 29 students each. Who's being the jerk here? And note that 29 students is over the 2015-16 FCPS class size cap.

Can we also get your rich student body so the PTA has a bunch of funding to pay for enrichment activities too? How about we get all your other benefits - kids who are not hungry, in comfortable home settings, who don't have to learn finances so early in life because their family is just getting by economically, etc. etc.

You're just upset that your McLean snowflakes have more classmates than us common people.

Other schools in more moderate areas should push FCPS to get more staffing. And perhaps Shrevewood families in that 22 person class may have a small gripe and ask about getting it down to 20 (but they currently don't bc it is not a meaningful difference to them).

You McLean people are in overcrowded schools because you don't want to redraw boundaries and move into "non-McLean" schools. What would it do to your self image, property values, etc. if your kids aren't going to a McLean school? Simple solution is to redraw boundaries and spread those kids around and, gasp!, go to schools like Westgate and Lemon Road and Timber Lane and even Shrevewood.

But instead you agitate to keep your kids in those McLean schools, kick out kids who you don't believe "deserve" to be in "your" McLean schools (see Haycock), complain about class sizes, agitate for more teachers, agitate for more physical space and then complain about trailers, etc. etc.

I ask again, who is being the jerk here?

NP here. Having seen that you're slinging a lot of mud at "McLean people" only to find out that the person with whom you've been arguing the most doesn't even live in McLean, I'd say that you probably are winning that contest. Believe it or not, there are people saddled with very large classes in places other than McLean or Haycock who think the idea of LLIV-only classes at Shrevewood with 15 kids is nuts.

[Anonymous]

I don't know if last year's third grade numbers have been posted, but my kid had 26 in his Gen Ed class and the LLIV was around 15 or 16. Shrevewood has lost some Gen Ed kids in the 4th grade transition. Several tested into AAP. As a parent, who would 't push their kid into AAP to get the much smaller class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 58 3rd grade students according to the data (22+21+15).

So you McLean people are advocating that we get two classes of 29 students each. Who's being the jerk here? And note that 29 students is over the 2015-16 FCPS class size cap.

Can we also get your rich student body so the PTA has a bunch of funding to pay for enrichment activities too? How about we get all your other benefits - kids who are not hungry, in comfortable home settings, who don't have to learn finances so early in life because their family is just getting by economically, etc. etc.

You're just upset that your McLean snowflakes have more classmates than us common people.

Other schools in more moderate areas should push FCPS to get more staffing. And perhaps Shrevewood families in that 22 person class may have a small gripe and ask about getting it down to 20 (but they currently don't bc it is not a meaningful difference to them).

You McLean people are in overcrowded schools because you don't want to redraw boundaries and move into "non-McLean" schools. What would it do to your self image, property values, etc. if your kids aren't going to a McLean school? Simple solution is to redraw boundaries and spread those kids around and, gasp!, go to schools like Westgate and Lemon Road and Timber Lane and even Shrevewood.

But instead you agitate to keep your kids in those McLean schools, kick out kids who you don't believe "deserve" to be in "your" McLean schools (see Haycock), complain about class sizes, agitate for more teachers, agitate for more physical space and then complain about trailers, etc. etc.

I ask again, who is being the jerk here?

NP here. Having seen that you're slinging a lot of mud at "McLean people" only to find out that the person with whom you've been arguing the most doesn't even live in McLean, I'd say that you probably are winning that contest. Believe it or not, there are people saddled with very large classes in places other than McLean or Haycock who think the idea of LLIV-only classes at Shrevewood with 15 kids is nuts.

Would it change your mind if it was 19 kids?

With 58 kids there is going to be 3 teachers. Or should we have 2 teachers and one aide?

If you agree that there should be 3 teachers then it is a question of 15 vs 19 kids - and that allocation is really a discussion for within the Shrevewood community.

Perhaps they should have cut it to 2 teachers this year - but next year (2015-16), it's going to be four 3rd grade classrooms probably (115 kids in 2nd this year) - so it's better to maintain continuity and add one 3rd grade teacher vs. dropping one this year and then adding 2 for next year.

Teachers within the building are not fungible - you can't have them teach 1st this year and then 3rd next year, etc. Some people in this thread are arguing that implicitly when they talk about too-large class sizes in the K grade at Shrevewood; i.e. they want to shift that 3rd grade teacher to K? And teacher are not automatons - they desire job security just like everyone else. If you fired one 3rd grade teacher this year and then go back and have to hire 2 3rd grade teachers next year what kid of community are you building at the school? No one - teachers, administrators, parents - want teachers that are on year-to-year assignments at a school.

People here bitch at the headlines without looking at the facts and the nuance involved in the situation. Such criticism is especially rich coming from the Haycock folks who kicked out the Shrevewood kids.

I understand the criticism from other more average (like Shrevewood) communities - "average" = in and around the FCPS FARMS average for a lack of better rubric. To those folks, again it's a question of 15 vs 19 kids - I'm sure you are unhappy with either number - and whether we should flex our staffing at the cost of having a transitory staff body. If your kid is in a 30+ person classroom, I'm sure you don't like our GE class of 20 kids also, so I don't get why this is supposedly an AAP thing.

[Anonymous]

Yes, PP it is a discussion for the Shrevewood community but it was not discussed in the Shrevewood community. I suspect most of the Gen Ed parents would have picked equal class sizes but we weren't given that opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 58 3rd grade students according to the data (22+21+15).

So you McLean people are advocating that we get two classes of 29 students each. Who's being the jerk here? And note that 29 students is over the 2015-16 FCPS class size cap.

Can we also get your rich student body so the PTA has a bunch of funding to pay for enrichment activities too? How about we get all your other benefits - kids who are not hungry, in comfortable home settings, who don't have to learn finances so early in life because their family is just getting by economically, etc. etc.

You're just upset that your McLean snowflakes have more classmates than us common people.

Other schools in more moderate areas should push FCPS to get more staffing. And perhaps Shrevewood families in that 22 person class may have a small gripe and ask about getting it down to 20 (but they currently don't bc it is not a meaningful difference to them).

You McLean people are in overcrowded schools because you don't want to redraw boundaries and move into "non-McLean" schools. What would it do to your self image, property values, etc. if your kids aren't going to a McLean school? Simple solution is to redraw boundaries and spread those kids around and, gasp!, go to schools like Westgate and Lemon Road and Timber Lane and even Shrevewood.

But instead you agitate to keep your kids in those McLean schools, kick out kids who you don't believe "deserve" to be in "your" McLean schools (see Haycock), complain about class sizes, agitate for more teachers, agitate for more physical space and then complain about trailers, etc. etc.

I ask again, who is being the jerk here?

NP here. Having seen that you're slinging a lot of mud at "McLean people" only to find out that the person with whom you've been arguing the most doesn't even live in McLean, I'd say that you probably are winning that contest. Believe it or not, there are people saddled with very large classes in places other than McLean or Haycock who think the idea of LLIV-only classes at Shrevewood with 15 kids is nuts.

Would it change your mind if it was 19 kids?

With 58 kids there is going to be 3 teachers. Or should we have 2 teachers and one aide?

If you agree that there should be 3 teachers then it is a question of 15 vs 19 kids - and that allocation is really a discussion for within the Shrevewood community.

Perhaps they should have cut it to 2 teachers this year - but next year (2015-16), it's going to be four 3rd grade classrooms probably (115 kids in 2nd this year) - so it's better to maintain continuity and add one 3rd grade teacher vs. dropping one this year and then adding 2 for next year.

Teachers within the building are not fungible - you can't have them teach 1st this year and then 3rd next year, etc. Some people in this thread are arguing that implicitly when they talk about too-large class sizes in the K grade at Shrevewood; i.e. they want to shift that 3rd grade teacher to K? And teacher are not automatons - they desire job security just like everyone else. If you fired one 3rd grade teacher this year and then go back and have to hire 2 3rd grade teachers next year what kid of community are you building at the school? No one - teachers, administrators, parents - want teachers that are on year-to-year assignments at a school.

People here bitch at the headlines without looking at the facts and the nuance involved in the situation. Such criticism is especially rich coming from the Haycock folks who kicked out the Shrevewood kids.

I understand the criticism from other more average (like Shrevewood) communities - "average" = in and around the FCPS FARMS average for a lack of better rubric. To those folks, again it's a question of 15 vs 19 kids - I'm sure you are unhappy with either number - and whether we should flex our staffing at the cost of having a transitory staff body. If your kid is in a 30+ person classroom, I'm sure you don't like our GE class of 20 kids also, so I don't get why this is supposedly an AAP thing.

If the average class size for Shrevewood is 24-25 kids in a class, then the AAP classes should have that number typically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 58 3rd grade students according to the data (22+21+15).

So you McLean people are advocating that we get two classes of 29 students each. Who's being the jerk here? And note that 29 students is over the 2015-16 FCPS class size cap.

Can we also get your rich student body so the PTA has a bunch of funding to pay for enrichment activities too? How about we get all your other benefits - kids who are not hungry, in comfortable home settings, who don't have to learn finances so early in life because their family is just getting by economically, etc. etc.

You're just upset that your McLean snowflakes have more classmates than us common people.

Other schools in more moderate areas should push FCPS to get more staffing. And perhaps Shrevewood families in that 22 person class may have a small gripe and ask about getting it down to 20 (but they currently don't bc it is not a meaningful difference to them).

You McLean people are in overcrowded schools because you don't want to redraw boundaries and move into "non-McLean" schools. What would it do to your self image, property values, etc. if your kids aren't going to a McLean school? Simple solution is to redraw boundaries and spread those kids around and, gasp!, go to schools like Westgate and Lemon Road and Timber Lane and even Shrevewood.

But instead you agitate to keep your kids in those McLean schools, kick out kids who you don't believe "deserve" to be in "your" McLean schools (see Haycock), complain about class sizes, agitate for more teachers, agitate for more physical space and then complain about trailers, etc. etc.

I ask again, who is being the jerk here?

NP here. Having seen that you're slinging a lot of mud at "McLean people" only to find out that the person with whom you've been arguing the most doesn't even live in McLean, I'd say that you probably are winning that contest. Believe it or not, there are people saddled with very large classes in places other than McLean or Haycock who think the idea of LLIV-only classes at Shrevewood with 15 kids is nuts.

Would it change your mind if it was 19 kids?

With 58 kids there is going to be 3 teachers. Or should we have 2 teachers and one aide?

If you agree that there should be 3 teachers then it is a question of 15 vs 19 kids - and that allocation is really a discussion for within the Shrevewood community.

Perhaps they should have cut it to 2 teachers this year - but next year (2015-16), it's going to be four 3rd grade classrooms probably (115 kids in 2nd this year) - so it's better to maintain continuity and add one 3rd grade teacher vs. dropping one this year and then adding 2 for next year.

Teachers within the building are not fungible - you can't have them teach 1st this year and then 3rd next year, etc. Some people in this thread are arguing that implicitly when they talk about too-large class sizes in the K grade at Shrevewood; i.e. they want to shift that 3rd grade teacher to K? And teacher are not automatons - they desire job security just like everyone else. If you fired one 3rd grade teacher this year and then go back and have to hire 2 3rd grade teachers next year what kid of community are you building at the school? No one - teachers, administrators, parents - want teachers that are on year-to-year assignments at a school.

People here bitch at the headlines without looking at the facts and the nuance involved in the situation. Such criticism is especially rich coming from the Haycock folks who kicked out the Shrevewood kids.

I understand the criticism from other more average (like Shrevewood) communities - "average" = in and around the FCPS FARMS average for a lack of better rubric. To those folks, again it's a question of 15 vs 19 kids - I'm sure you are unhappy with either number - and whether we should flex our staffing at the cost of having a transitory staff body. If your kid is in a 30+ person classroom, I'm sure you don't like our GE class of 20 kids also, so I don't get why this is supposedly an AAP thing.

If the average class size for Shrevewood is 24-25 kids in a class, then the AAP classes should have that number typically.

Actually I think they should have a higher class size compared to the other classes. Something like 25-28 kids.

[Anonymous]

Also, the Haycock kids and families didn't kick out the Shrevewood, Lemon Road, or Westgate kids. Everyone in the county is sick of hearing about Greenbriar West and Haycock and how the kids from other schools should be or should have been entitled to stay in schools that were bursting at the seems. Both of those schools were over 1000 students and the situation was dangerous. They should have broken up both schools years before they did without grandfathering. CPS bent over backwards because of all the whining of parents like you at Shrevewood. Your high school is Marshall. Why wouldn't you want to help all the kids eventually attending Marshall to do well? What is rich is that Shrevewood parents begged to stay at Haycock and then you now say it's fine for them to have 35 children in grades 4-6 while they have under 20 in an AAP class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, the Haycock kids and families didn't kick out the Shrevewood, Lemon Road, or Westgate kids. Everyone in the county is sick of hearing about Greenbriar West and Haycock and how the kids from other schools should be or should have been entitled to stay in schools that were bursting at the seems. Both of those schools were over 1000 students and the situation was dangerous. They should have broken up both schools years before they did without grandfathering. CPS bent over backwards because of all the whining of parents like you at Shrevewood. Your high school is Marshall. Why wouldn't you want to help all the kids eventually attending Marshall to do well? What is rich is that Shrevewood parents begged to stay at Haycock and then you now say it's fine for them to have 35 children in grades 4-6 while they have under 20 in an AAP class.

+1000. It sounds like it was a mistake to give Shrevewood LLIV on top on the new AAP center at Lemon Road. It's a bidding war to persuade the parents of the kids with higher test scores to send their kids to their school, with the non-AAP kids at Shrevewood and kids at other schools paying the tab.