Bad News for Test Prep Parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

CogAT is an attempt to measure something. Prepping invalidates the measurement. It is that simple.

Drum roll. Now, what is this mystery "something" that is invalidated by parental preparation and hard work?

a chance for a kid to be themselves?

[Anonymous]

That's right. This is all completely kid driven. And you're an AAP third grader, I suppose?

The next thing you will come up with is an amendment to the Bill of Rights to give kids the right to vote in local and national elections?

If you did, the smart ones like Peyton would do away with trying to measure "something" you have no clue or inkling about with no predictive value.

[Anonymous]

a chance for a kid to be themselves?

... as long as my kid gets into AAP and goes to Ivy without need for hard work and prep. All's well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

That's right. This is all completely kid driven. And you're an AAP third grader, I suppose?

The next thing you will come up with is an amendment to the Bill of Rights to give kids the right to vote in local and national elections?

If you did, the smart ones like Peyton would do away with trying to measure "something" you have no clue or inkling about with no predictive value.

Huh? FCPS is trying to measure a need. Who said anything about predictive value?

[Anonymous]

Drum roll. Now, what is this mystery "something" that is invalidated by parental preparation and hard work?

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Many parents also need tp work hard and prep. Peyton does agree with this.

[Anonymous]

Buh-bye, Troll!

[Anonymous]

The something is iq.

[Anonymous]

Weird Peyton Prepper Guy: You might just want to send your kids to ACE (Academy of Christian Education) in Reston where they can join the CogAt Prep after school club. I put a link to this school in a recent post which was subsequently removed. Can't really understand why your posts aren't being removed as you are so obviously a troll.

What does this have to do with the ethics of hard work and preparation espoused by individuals your kids (gifted or not) look up to like Peyton and Phelps?

[Anonymous]

The something is iq.

Like the brain, the experts all claim IQ and intelligence changes overtime. What's your point? Even Peyton and Phelps understand this? Their abilities and performance have changed overtime. Kids who look up th Phelps and Peyton understand this.

[Anonymous]

Huh? FCPS is trying to measure a need. Who said anything about predictive value?

What need are they measuring and what the hell does the need have to do with hard work and preparation? The NFL too measures a need at their annual scouting combine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Huh? FCPS is trying to measure a need. Who said anything about predictive value?

What need are they measuring and what the hell does the need have to do with hard work and preparation? The NFL too measures a need at their annual scouting combine.

Special ones that highly gifted kids who learn differently often have. Like an inability to complete rote work, need to be challenged in other ways. It can be difficult to recognize if you've never met this kind of kid.

[Anonymous]

You are a troll. Please leave. You do not read the posts. You just say prep. No one is saying children should not prepare for life. But, we are talking about one or two specific tests that are trying to measure intelligence where the specific act of drill and practice with old tests (i.e., cheating, often called prep here) take away the ability to measure. The concern with FCPS is that from 2009-2012, the size of the AAP pool increased 50%. They think it was from people gaming/prepping. It is cheating.

My DD spends 12 hrs per day preparing for her future by school, homework, sports, and activities. That is prep. She spend some time being quizzed on vocabulary, which helps on the test. does not know which words will be on the test, so she studies all of them. That is prep, and it is encouraged.

CogAT is an attempt to measure something. Prepping invalidates the measurement. It is that simple. [code]

Who cares about 2 specific tests if you work hard and prep. Most high performing 7 year-olds and their parents don't care or worry about the 2 specific tests you are fixated on. Hard work and prep makes this all unnecessary. I do not know anyone who goes around stealing the test and memorizing the answers. Not in my neighborhood. You must live with a cabal of criminals if all around you 7 year olds are stealing the County tests and memorizing the answers. Sounds absurd to me. The solution is easy. The County should house the test under lock and key. That's what the College Board does with the SAT.

[Anonymous]

Are people in your community also stealing the SAT?

Better security and overhead cameras may lead to successful prosecution of those stealing the exams (problems and answers)?


Why all this fuzz? The solution is simple. That's why we have courts of law. You would think a County with a $2 billion budget could figure this out. FCPS = incompetence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the kids at least are learning some reading comprehension. They could practice by reading the first post on a thread and figuring out the subject.

I do hope this the Peyton poster is not teaching reading comprehension, because if s/he is, there will be a whole cohort of kids out there who won't be able to read and understand the point of a paragraph.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Actually, at least one has a misunderstanding about this, or simply pretends to misunderstand. No one suggests that anything is wrong with hard work and preparation.
People are suggesting that it is inappropriate for people to "prep" kids by using materials that attempt to recreate the AAP identification tests. Prepping kids in this way makes the scores unreliable to the point that some schools are simply not using them anymore. These particular tests are not meant to be prepped for and prepping results in scores that are not useful to the schools.

These threads are only about prepping for the AAP identification tests. They are not about prepping for any other type of testing, nor are they about effective ways to teach math.

More nuaunced malarky. Now we have to have the identification committees throughout the land adjudicate the legality or ethics of preparation on the basis of an identification test. Will this be at the federal level or shall will let each state do their own thing?

What rubbish.

No rubbish, and no malarky. If you read the the OP for most of these threads, they involve the AAP identification testing. Not even terribly nuanced, just fact.

Right, and here's what FCPS says about this:

Here's a link to a FCPS document that includes an explanation of why the test was changed last year:

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/FAQre2012CustomizedCogAT.pdf

See fourth paragraph, first sentence:

"FCPS staff members chose to administer the custom form of the CogAT this year after it came to our attention that some students, in previous years, had prepared for the CogAT using the exact form of the CogAT being administered in FCPS."

These posts explain the point of this thread.