Bad News for Test Prep Parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that the scores of these AAP identification tests are affected when kids have been practicing with materials that replicate past tests. Some people know this and have decided to make some money off this fact. The more they can convince young parents that:
a: a child's intelligence is dependent on how many of this business's worksheets the child does and,
b: that there is no good education available in FCPS except in AAP and,
c: the best way to get a child into AAP is to use our services/products,
the more money they will make.

They do not want the school to know that kids have been prepped, because they know that the scores would then be taken less seriously. It would certainly be bad for business for the schools to know which second graders have been doing practice questions from old tests at camps or classes or clubs or just at home with a parent. Even the idea that teachers might be asking kids at school if they have seen questions like these before could be bad for business. Parents may hesitate to buy into test prep programs or materials if they hear that the schools might not use test results from kids who say they have seen questions like this before.

Most of these businesses sell other types of tutoring and test prep so they will not lose their shirts if FCPS were to stop using these tests or drop the AAP.
But it would eat into their profits to a certain extent.

It's funny that, in a thread about identification tests for a program for elementary and middle school students, there have been multiple posts about tests taken by high school students. FCPS has had to change the identification tests because of one kind of prepping that is inappropriate for that particular test, which has a different function than the SATs/ACTs.
But still, post after post filled with bromides about the wonders of preparation appears, seemingly in hopes that parents will conflate SAT/ACT preparation with prepping for these first and second grade tests. As though to say, "If it is good for the SATs/ACTs, than it must be good for these tests, too!"

Just trying to get the thread back on track.

[Anonymous]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-alloway-phd-and-ross-alloway-phd/iq-tests_b_4168628.html

The end of the IQ test and screening tests for AAP. It appears some have caught on to the political tactics of those who have used these inventions and concepts like IQ and race for self-serving social engineering.

--signed Marsahall (8-year-old son of Peyton Manning)
Take advantage of the information age with hard work and preparation. Information is all around us and everywhere. Ignore all the budding DCUM communists who wish to sanitize FCPS by ridding our communities of information and dictating what information is acceptable. In the 17th and 18th century they were successful at this. Virginians even prosecuted and killed Americans for reading, writing and attending schools. The information age is now equalizing the playing field and these pathetic slugs don't like it.

[Anonymous]

Thanks, now we are back on track.

[Anonymous]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-alloway-phd-and-ross-alloway-phd/iq-tests_b_4168628.html

See what happens when information is censored?

The end of the IQ test and screening tests for AAP. It appears some have caught on to the political tactics of those who have used these inventions and concepts like IQ and race for self-serving social engineering.

--signed Marsahall (8-year-old son of Peyton Manning)

Take advantage of the information age with hard work and preparation. Information is all around us and everywhere. Ignore all the budding DCUM communists who wish to sanitize FCPS by ridding our communities of information and dictating what information is acceptable. In the 17th and 18th century they were successful at this. Virginians even prosecuted and killed Americans for reading, writing and attending schools. The information age is now equalizing the playing field and these pathetic slugs don't like it.

On track now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

In college, there are avenues to get in even from a GED. Community colleges in Virginia will get you into the many state schools with a 3.0. So, you can drop out of HS, get a GED, go to NOVA for two years, and transfer to Virginia Tech.

From Virginia Tech, you can go to MIT for grad school. No one will care that you have a GED.

Did you inherit this brilliant advice from the gene pool. What's wrong with going directly to MIT without spending time in jail?

No. I have been a member of our society and know how things work. Going to MIT out of HS is fine, but not every one can do it (not enough slots). In America, we do not care about where you start, but rather, where you end. You can force your kid to study in ES, HS. But at MIT, guess what, they are on there own. They have to want to excel. I have seen many children of Tiger Moms like you fail in college.

FWIW, my story: undiagnosed problems in ES, MS, HS (Dyslexia). I learned how to compensate. Late in HS, started doing well (senior year). Went to a lower-tier college for one year, got a 3.8, transferred to VA Tech, graduated, went on to get an MA and PhD. Never been unemployed. And I am internationally recognized in my field. My 2.4 in HS does not matter any more. Overtaken By Events (OBE).

The leader of our country was poor growing up. He was more of a pot-head in HS, did not get into a top college....did not know his identity. He discovered it along the way....went to Harvard for Law School, and excelled. You might not like his politics, but he is self made.

[Anonymous]

No. I have been a member of our society and know how things work. Going to MIT out of HS is fine, but not every one can do it (not enough slots). In America, we do not care about where you start, but rather, where you end. You can force your kid to study in ES, HS. But at MIT, guess what, they are on there own. They have to want to excel. I have seen many children of Tiger Moms like you fail in college.

FWIW, my story: undiagnosed problems in ES, MS, HS (Dyslexia). I learned how to compensate. Late in HS, started doing well (senior year). Went to a lower-tier college for one year, got a 3.8, transferred to VA Tech, graduated, went on to get an MA and PhD. Never been unemployed. And I am internationally recognized in my field. My 2.4 in HS does not matter any more. Overtaken By Events (OBE).

The leader of our country was poor growing up. He was more of a pot-head in HS, did not get into a top college....did not know his identity. He discovered it along the way....went to Harvard for Law School, and excelled. You might not like his politics, but he is self made.

The recent government shut down, issues with immigration and our Kenyan President, was a stark reminder America ( the former old Americans) really doesn't care "where you start, but rather where you end?" There only care about where you came from. If it's not where you came from than some Americans are really not Americans. At least read and understand American history (if its your history) before making your politically correct sound bites. Congressman Ted Cruz, born in Canada of a Cuban father is more American than your President born in Hawaii of American mother. The birthers have not questioned his origins yet they question the origins [nor that of Romney who didn't pay US taxes until recently] of the President of America. Can't you see this hypocrisy at the highest levels of American society. At the end of the day, its about the entitlement of the former many that has become today the fewer and the few.[i] I have been a member of our society for 8 generationsand I know how things work.

[Anonymous]

The leader of our Country of America went to one of highest endowed and prestigious prep schools in the land and then went to one of the top IVY institutions in the land capping it off at Harvard Law School, the Senate, the Presidency and the Nobel Peace Prize. But, I live in a country where a pack of heathen fools with no intelligence have the average Virginian believe Congressman Ted Cruz ( born in Canada of a Cuban father, who brought USA to a stand still because he did not like a law passed under the leadership of our current President) is more American?

Please go back to the where you came from you are certainly not an American.

[Anonymous]

At the end of the day, the angst over AAP, is all about the haves trying to preserve the old status quo vis a vis the have nots--even when they don't measure up to the standards they established in the very first place. Most, here ,are too cowardly to acknowledge this. The red herings, distractions, and scramble to change the AAP rules will not change the inevitable. It's too late. The digital and information age is equalizing the playing field and taking away some of their long held advantages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-alloway-phd-and-ross-alloway-phd/iq-tests_b_4168628.html

See what happens when information is censored?

The end of the IQ test and screening tests for AAP. It appears some have caught on to the political tactics of those who have used these inventions and concepts like IQ and race for self-serving social engineering.

--signed Marsahall (8-year-old son of Peyton Manning)

Take advantage of the information age with hard work and preparation. Information is all around us and everywhere. Ignore all the budding DCUM communists who wish to sanitize FCPS by ridding our communities of information and dictating what information is acceptable. In the 17th and 18th century they were successful at this. Virginians even prosecuted and killed Americans for reading, writing and attending schools. The information age is now equalizing the playing field and these pathetic slugs don't like it.

On track now

Interesting article. IQ doesn't predict success or even academic achievement. IQ is simply that which is measured on an IQ test. Beyond that, in the real world, it means squat. So why FCPS places any value in the WISC is dubious. The GBRS is a much better indicator of academic success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-alloway-phd-and-ross-alloway-phd/iq-tests_b_4168628.html

See what happens when information is censored?

The end of the IQ test and screening tests for AAP. It appears some have caught on to the political tactics of those who have used these inventions and concepts like IQ and race for self-serving social engineering.

--signed Marsahall (8-year-old son of Peyton Manning)

Take advantage of the information age with hard work and preparation. Information is all around us and everywhere. Ignore all the budding DCUM communists who wish to sanitize FCPS by ridding our communities of information and dictating what information is acceptable. In the 17th and 18th century they were successful at this. Virginians even prosecuted and killed Americans for reading, writing and attending schools. The information age is now equalizing the playing field and these pathetic slugs don't like it.

On track now

I read the article. I'm screwed. I have the working memory of a 10 year old. So I think this "working memory" crap is all a bunch of nonsense too.

[Anonymous]

Interesting article. IQ doesn't predict success or even academic achievement. IQ is simply that which is measured on an IQ test. Beyond that, in the real world, it means squat. So why FCPS places any value in the WISC is dubious. The GBRS is a much better indicator of academic success.

Simply a tool used by the establishment to maintain the preferred wedge between the haves and have nots. Just like "race" and elaborate distinctions made by shades of of skin color and not science. This is what this discussion boils down to. This is what the government shut down is all about and this is the 47% American divide leaked out of the echo chamber in the Mitt Romney club house.

[Anonymous]

Interesting article. IQ doesn't predict success or even academic achievement. IQ is simply that which is measured on an IQ test. Beyond that, in the real world, it means squat. So why FCPS places any value in the WISC is dubious. The GBRS is a much better indicator of academic success.

This data was established 2 decades ago. But, facts and science do not matter to most here.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like trickle down angst from the seat of power all the way to AAP.

[Anonymous]

At least -- in keeping with Reaganomic theory.

[Anonymous]

If working memory is so important, at least you can prep for that.