Bad News for Test Prep Parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now what do you mean by "prepping specifically" for AAP? Is this distinct from prepping "unspecifically"? Are you still referring to cheating and stealing exam/test papers? Are you referring to memorizing the answers of stolen test questions?

When I work with my children K-12 they are prepared for the study of math, science, reading and writing which included any K-12 test imaginable (AP, SCAT, SAT ERB, AAP,ACT. AMC and any other alphabet soup you can think of)? Stealing questions and memorizing answers is not the strategy here but preparation, fun, and hard work is key. My work with them was deeper than any of the alphabet soup tests you speak of? Yes, they indirectly mastered the content for any K-12 test imaginable. I hope this satisfies "prepping specifically" for every K-12 and beyond test you can dream of. Solid preparation and discipline makes your alphabet soup tests a walk in the park for children even after 12 hours of sleep the night before and green, ham and eggs the morning of as per your favorite FCPS - AAP website!

PS: We don't stop learning just because AAP exam day is tomorrow or next week. How's that to raise your paranoid anxiety and the hairs on the back of your neck.

I'm wondering if you were able to pick up any punctuation or grammar rules during your children's many prep sessons?

[Anonymous]

+1

Parents used to gaming and bending the rules to give their kids an advantage NEVER get this.

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said by a parent who could not make the cut and angry that folk like Peyton and Phelps still find it necessary to continually prep and work hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

All those 7 year olds who are preparing for the AAP screening test on their own just like Peyton (incoherent??), brain surgeons and pilots (???) can have at it.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No you don't get it. Since you are so fascinated with the older Manning child, let me give an analogy using Peyton.

We want to know how far Peyton can throw the ball....How far the ball goes will be a function of the throw and the wind. If he throws 50 times in a closed stadium, the results will be meaningful. In a Hurricane, he may be able to throw the ball 100 yards down wind, or 10 yard up wind. In the storm, I could throw the ball 80 yards down wind. But inside, Peyton can throw the ball 60 years. That does not make me the better QB. The wind adds noise to the measurement. It reflects the reliability of the measurement.

Similarly, test prep for the AAP entrance exam by obtaining "the exact form of the test" by any means will severely impact the ability to measure the intelligence out of the test. Just like me throwing the football in a hurricane. I can not know how far I threw the ball, and the county can not know how much of the score was from intelligence, and how much is from prepping. (and how much was from ADD, distractions, puppies, etc). What the county is trying to measure is raw capability, not work ethic. They get that in the GBRS. And a high score on the CogAT does not make your kid smarted. It will not lead to more money. How will the county deal with this? The will ignore test scores. They will have no choice. Oh, and the county is the source on appropriate behavior in a county administered exam.

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Sounds like an excuse made by those who cannot compete on the football field, the swimming pool or the classroom. Those like Peyton, Phelps and and other high performers who work hard and prep have heard it for decades. Potential in the womb gets you no where (unless mommy and daddy have connections and generational trust funds). Even someone like Peyton understands this. That's why he preps and works hard. If one as "gifted" as Peyton and Phelps, by the poster's unabashed admission, understand this do you think these guys would not prep and work hard if their gifts were for music or math.

Excuses made by retiring flunkies signifying nothing and who fear discipline in their lives.

If your kids want to be like Peyton they WILL prepare and work hard just like high performing academicians. This has nothing to do with theft, cheating or genes. It's called discipline.

Prep is paramount in Peyton's Place. Try it, you'll be better off for it no matter your bloody IQ or how much you bench press! I am surprised FCPS doesn't know this and preach this to its all its citizens. But, don't forget to get a good night's sleep and eat hearty green ham and eggs in the morning. Peyton does so.

You are a troll. Please leave. You do not read the posts. You just say prep. No one is saying children should not prepare for life. But, we are talking about one or two specific tests that are trying to measure intelligence where the specific act of drill and practice with old tests (i.e., cheating, often called prep here) take away the ability to measure. The concern with FCPS is that from 2009-2012, the size of the AAP pool increased 50%. They think it was from people gaming/prepping. It is cheating.

My DD spends 12 hrs per day preparing for her future by school, homework, sports, and activities. That is prep. She spend some time being quizzed on vocabulary, which helps on the test. does not know which words will be on the test, so she studies all of them. That is prep, and it is encouraged.

CogAT is an attempt to measure something. Prepping invalidates the measurement. It is that simple.

[Anonymous]

I'm wondering if you were able to pick up any punctuation or grammar rules during your children's many prep sessons?

Peyton would advise you spend time worrying and focusing on your weak argument and not on typos and punctuation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I'm wondering if you were able to pick up any punctuation or grammar rules during your children's many prep sessons?

Peyton would advise you spend time worrying and focusing on your weak argument and not on typos and punctuation.

No, I think Peyton would read your posts (that is, if he could decipher them) and ask you to please stop using his name to promote your idiocy.

[Anonymous]

perhaps county just needs to eliminate AAP program. clearly with all this discipline and self-study there might not even be a need for school.

oh, wait. the program was created to help these naturally gifted kids, who often have difficulties realizing said gifts because they learn differently and often don't jump on board with a structured, disciplined rote learning program. well, screw them and lets give it to the disciplined, parent-driven self-starters because they've earned it. special needs be damned.

[Anonymous]

You are a troll. Please leave. You do not read the posts. You just say prep. No one is saying children should not prepare for life. But, we are talking about one or two specific tests that are trying to measure intelligence where the specific act of drill and practice with old tests (i.e., cheating, often called prep here) take away the ability to measure. The concern with FCPS is that from 2009-2012, the size of the AAP pool increased 50%. They think it was from people gaming/prepping. It is cheating.

My DD spends 12 hrs per day preparing for her future by school, homework, sports, and activities. That is prep. She spend some time being quizzed on vocabulary, which helps on the test. does not know which words will be on the test, so she studies all of them. That is prep, and it is encouraged.

CogAT is an attempt to measure something. Prepping invalidates the measurement. It is that simple.

If prepping does not invalidate the lofty accomplishments of Peyton and Phelps it certainly doesn't invalidate the accomplishments of high performing musicians, mathematicians, artists and students. What's in your coffee this morning? A stimulant? What a cheat?

[Anonymous]

perhaps county just needs to eliminate AAP program. clearly with all this discipline and self-study there might not even be a need for school.

oh, wait. the program was created to help these naturally gifted kids, who often have difficulties realizing said gifts because they learn differently and often don't jump on board with a structured, disciplined rote learning program. well, screw them and lets give it to the disciplined, parent-driven self-starters because they've earned it. special needs be damned.

No need for panic just because some truly gifted individuals by your own admission prep and work hard. It does not invalidate their performance or accomplishments. Just ask Peyton and Phelps kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1

Parents used to gaming and bending the rules to give their kids an advantage NEVER get this.

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said by a parent who could not make the cut and angry that folk like Peyton and Phelps still find it necessary to continually prep and work hard.

Nope. Said by a parent whose highly intelligent, eccentric and unprepped kid got into the program and wondered why it was filled with so many kids who struggled to do some of the work and had tutors.

[Anonymous]

prepping invadiates the results on a test to measure raw intelligence. You are either denser than a blackhold, a troll, or a sock puppet trying to drum up customers for your test prep business.

CogAT is a measure. Prepping may increase the score, but it does not increase the raw intelligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I'm wondering if you were able to pick up any punctuation or grammar rules during your children's many prep sessons?

Peyton would advise you spend time worrying and focusing on your weak argument and not on typos and punctuation.

No, I think Peyton would read your posts (that is, if he could decipher them) and ask you to please stop using his name to promote your idiocy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

perhaps county just needs to eliminate AAP program. clearly with all this discipline and self-study there might not even be a need for school.

oh, wait. the program was created to help these naturally gifted kids, who often have difficulties realizing said gifts because they learn differently and often don't jump on board with a structured, disciplined rote learning program. well, screw them and lets give it to the disciplined, parent-driven self-starters because they've earned it. special needs be damned.

No need for panic just because some truly gifted individuals by your own admission prep and work hard. It does not invalidate their performance or accomplishments. Just ask Peyton and Phelps kids.

That's right. This is all completely kid driven. And you're an AAP third grader, I suppose?

[Anonymous]

CogAT is an attempt to measure something. Prepping invalidates the measurement. It is that simple.

Drum roll. Now, what is this mystery "something" that is invalidated by preparation and hard work?

[Anonymous]

Weird Peyton Prepper Guy: You might just want to send your kids to ACE (Academy of Christian Education) in Reston where they can join the CogAt Prep after school club. I put a link to this school in a recent post which was subsequently removed. Can't really understand why your posts aren't being removed as you are so obviously a troll.