DOJ says Yale medical school discriminated against Asian, White applicants

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Anonymous wrote:I find the assumption that standardized tests have no bearing on one's performance as a physician, perhaps outside of a few cognitively demanding specialties, pretty hilarious.

Doing well on standardized tests is not only correlated with stuff you'd expect (like credit score and years spent in school, both positively; or street crime, obviously negatively) but also stuff you wouldn't. There's a positive correlation with many aspects of emotional intelligence, such as being able to identify, describe, and regulate emotions. And negative correlations with even white collar crime, not to mention substance abuse, gambling, or being subject to discipline by professional boards.

Not all of these correlations are strong, but they all point in the same direction - being a good doctor. There is no correlation I know of between mediocre scores and traits that would make one a good physician.

There is a negative correlation.

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This is not a MAGA thing at all. They're happy to have any doctor at all in whatever rural Indiana town. This is gatekeeping by urban progressives. Doctors have to look just right for them.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

No, bigot troll moron, what I want is effective doctors.

White doctors have been wildly ineffective at treating Black patients for literally hundreds of years, apparently due to implicit bias.

I want Black patients to get the same quality of care as white patients. That’s the difference between you and me - you, and current DOJ leadership, don’t want positive outcomes for Black patients because you are bigots. As noted white supremacist Laura Loomer correctly said in a rare lucid moment, the GOP has a Nazi problem.

Cancer is cancer. Broken bones are broken bones. Heart disease is heart disease.

I really don't understand why anyone cares about the race of their doctor. You just want a good one in times of need, which everyone needs at some point. No one is looking for a best friend when they have a heart attack or stroke or get wrecked in a car accident.

What on earth does the race of a doctor have to do with anything? Most people just want a good, competent doctor when they need one.

And that's it.

Not looking to be besties with the doctor if I have stage 4 cancer or losing a limb. And I find it very weird when people get fixated on the melatonin content of their doctor's skin. That's an issue for the mental health ward.

Bless your heart.

This is someone who fancies themselves an expert on medicine, too.

Of course, to be sure, they have also been experts in recent weeks on immigration, Iran, guns and economics. So.

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I have never seen someone decline help in the ER when they didn’t like the looks of the dr. They will surely leave their arm dangling and doctor shop.

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Anonymous wrote:HYP wants the brightest Whites, Asians, Blacks, Latinos, Natives, etc. So, no, Cindy is not getting in just because she has a 1550 and a 4.0 because half the other Asian applicants are more impressive than that. Black/Latino/Native kids have historically been disadvantaged more than other races, so obviously they’re not all churning out 1580s left and right.

How do know who is the brightest? I thought it was just a sampling of the "qualified" because if you're qualified then it doesn't matter who is the best above that threshold. It can't be both.

Elite schools want people. Not robots who pump and grind 24/7 without a purpose. The essays act as the differentiators. You can be academically qualified with certain numbers but that doesn’t equal qualified personality wise.

Harvard is one of the most liberal institutions in the US. To say that the whole admissions office must be racist against Asians and deny that Asians routinely score low on personality traits is massive cope.

SCOTUS ruling in Harvard lawsuits says exactly the opposite. So who do we believe? The SCOTUS or a liberal racist liar like you?

The SFFA case doesn’t say what you think that it does. Harvard won the discrimination portion of the case. The win was held up on appeal and not argued in front of the of the Supreme Court.

No one cares about the sophistic distinction you're trying to make, even if it might have some slim basis. Harvard's (and everyone else's) admissions practices were found to be illegal under the 1964 civil rights act. That overshadows anything else.

You really need to learn before hitting a keyboard. It is a huge distinction to anyone with a brain because they were not discriminating against Asians which is what people are screaming any time that admissions is based on something other than a test.

DP. Stop repeating the lies. If there was really no discrimination, the main stream media controlled by liberals would have had a field day.

You are too stupid to be part of this conversation. Why part of ‘they won’ are you struggling with?

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Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

Way to cope. They’re actually smarter. Some are hard working some are not. But they’re smarter on average for sure.

Not by much.

And the asian in america are a skewed population because of all the H1B and exchange students

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Anonymous wrote:This is a bummer as studies have shown repeatedly that health outcomes for black patients (especially for chronic conditions) are much better when they see black physicians. Individuals in race-matched pairings are far more likely to see their doctors and even their mortality rate decreases

Not a bummer at all. Don’t you want all doctors to meet the same qualifications regardless of race?

All of these people are qualified. DOJ’s ridiculous letter confirmed that everyone’s MCAT and GPAs are super high. Why does DOJ get to dictate what it means to be “most qualified” to be a good doctor? There are things that matter to me more than whether my doctor was in the 95th rather than the 99th percentile on the MCAT.

They are not saying you have to rank order test scores. The test scores are evidence of racial preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:If your doctor's taxes is important can I ask for a white doctor if I'm white? I would think and hope the answer would be 'no.'

Seeing a doctor is not like getting an oil change or buying a gallon of milk or learning soccer. It's an intimate relationship and some.peopme may need a white doctor or an Asian doctor or a female doctor or a black doctor for whatever reason.

Could I ask for a non-black doctor?

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My racist old jackass grandfather certainly did. He was racist and he still needed to go to the doctor so he went to a white one. What the heck are people like him supposed to do?.

So... because you hate... your own grandfather... and since he was racist... Yale should be able to engage in ... DEI practices... forbidden by the supreme court???

Show me where the Supreme Court forbade “DEI practices.” Just because this incompetent and ideological DOJ says something is so does not mean that it is.

Their letter to Yale was embarrassing. They are so quick to conclude that a white person was discriminated against based on the flimsiest of evidence. And then they (and the Supreme Court) lecture us about how discrimination against black people is ancient history.

It's not flimsy evidence and the sort of discrimination that justifies racial preferences are ancient history.

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Anonymous wrote:We all know many colleges discriminate against Asians and whites. It is a liberal trend that current administration tries to revert. Not because they care about law, or fairness, but because they care about predominantly white maga base. What maga doesn't get is that with a pure merit based adminission, top schools like Yale or Harvard will be 80%+ Asian. And it is not because Asian kids are smarter but because they work harder being pushed most of the times by their families. That's the reality like it or not.

Way to cope. They’re actually smarter. Some are hard working some are not. But they’re smarter on average for sure.

Not by much.

And the asian in america are a skewed population because of all the H1B and exchange students

Is this skewed as well?
https://www.thecaliforniacourier.com/average-iq-by-country-2025-update/

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Anonymous wrote:Overall, white students have benefited from the sffa v Harvard decision at many selective institutions. Asian students generally have not

Overall many selective institutions have taken pains to ensure this result. Massive resistance happened when they desegregated schools in the south. Democrats using the same playbook with affirmative action that they used with desegregation in the south.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess when I am next looking for a doctor all I have to do is pick the one with the highest MCAT scores and I will know that I picked the best doctor.

Generally speaking that would be correct on average.

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Anonymous wrote:HYP wants the brightest Whites, Asians, Blacks, Latinos, Natives, etc. So, no, Cindy is not getting in just because she has a 1550 and a 4.0 because half the other Asian applicants are more impressive than that. Black/Latino/Native kids have historically been disadvantaged more than other races, so obviously they’re not all churning out 1580s left and right.

How do know who is the brightest? I thought it was just a sampling of the "qualified" because if you're qualified then it doesn't matter who is the best above that threshold. It can't be both.

Elite schools want people. Not robots who pump and grind 24/7 without a purpose. The essays act as the differentiators. You can be academically qualified with certain numbers but that doesn’t equal qualified personality wise.

Harvard is one of the most liberal institutions in the US. To say that the whole admissions office must be racist against Asians and deny that Asians routinely score low on personality traits is massive cope.

SCOTUS ruling in Harvard lawsuits says exactly the opposite. So who do we believe? The SCOTUS or a liberal racist liar like you?

The SFFA case doesn’t say what you think that it does. Harvard won the discrimination portion of the case. The win was held up on appeal and not argued in front of the of the Supreme Court.

No one cares about the sophistic distinction you're trying to make, even if it might have some slim basis. Harvard's (and everyone else's) admissions practices were found to be illegal under the 1964 civil rights act. That overshadows anything else.

You really need to learn before hitting a keyboard. It is a huge distinction to anyone with a brain because they were not discriminating against Asians which is what people are screaming any time that admissions is based on something other than a test.

DP. Stop repeating the lies. If there was really no discrimination, the main stream media controlled by liberals would have had a field day.

You are too stupid to be part of this conversation. Why part of ‘they won’ are you struggling with?

Harvard did not win. It lost at the Supreme Court.
Repeating “they won” after the final ruling is not an argument. It is denial.

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Anonymous wrote:You need doctors from all cultures period. It is so much easier for patients who speak Spanish to have a Hispanic doctor. It also helps because you need doctors from all communities. This included doctors from rural MAGA areas. Medical school is rough and you have to pass all the board exams to get licensed. If all these black and Hispanic doctors can pass these exams, what is the issue?? Who cares if the difference is between the 80th percentile on the MCAT vs 99% percentile? My med school was 40% Asian, that’s already way higher than the nation’s demographics.

Yes, 100%! I think that patient outcomes and patient compliance are better for some populations when the doctor has a better cultural understanding of their patients' lives.

What is the evidence on this?

I am against the racial preferences generally but there is research showing higher compliance rates among black populations in particular when their doctor is black.

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Anonymous wrote:If your doctor's taxes is important can I ask for a white doctor if I'm white? I would think and hope the answer would be 'no.'

Seeing a doctor is not like getting an oil change or buying a gallon of milk or learning soccer. It's an intimate relationship and some.peopme may need a white doctor or an Asian doctor or a female doctor or a black doctor for whatever reason.

No it isn’t like that at all. These are highly trained professionals and their qualifications should have nothing to do with their gender or race. You are exposing your own ignorance.

This. And by the way one of the smartest docs in my T3 med school is an underrepresented race. These newer practices of significantly lowering the bar diminish all that she worked for. It makes more sense to boost the educational opportunities of underrepresented students in elementary, middle and high school and get more in the pipeline.
Another unpopular opinion: males need the same boost early on. Medical schools went from predominantly male applicants in 1992 to predominantly female in a span of 25 years. Schools now struggle to have the 50-50 gender balance in med school, especially schools that are not in the top-20 med schools. There is going to be a significant shortage of male docs. The answer is not to lower the bar at med school entry, it is to encourage more males all the way through starting in elementary, so careers that require college and professional school are valued by males.

It's not that "girls in stem" has been too successful. It's that boys in stem are all coding and engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, like they don’t cheat to get in at all.

Princeton (1/3 Asian now) announced they’re introducing proctoring back into exams due to widespread cheating.

In UC Berkeley (40% Asian) the number of students who require extra time on tests has nearly quintupled over past 15 years.

Let’s see what school wants to have a grind culture with cut throat competition and cheating? That’s right, none of them.

Why are the terms within the parentheses "Asian"? Why not "Hispanic" or "Black" or "Human"? Are you insinuating something?

Yes, they're all cheating, but have the gall to blame black students when they don't get into medical school.

Asians generally don't blame. They just keep their heads down and work hard. So how is working hard at a trade -- in this case academics -- and having supporting parents who tell them they can succeed, considered cheating?

When a black athlete works hard at their trade -- for example a sports -- and has role models who tell them they can succeed, we all applaud and celebrate their attitude and achievements. We would never considered that cheating.

So why the double standard?