Johns Hopkins releases profile of recent class that was admitted in 2025, big shifts post affirmative action

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

Not just one school. The entire area has become hunger game, cutthroat, grinding miery

It doesn't feel hunger games to the asians (and other immigrants). It just feels competitive. Your kids are soft.

Boring. Anyone wins within China? Your best miserable demonstration. 17% unemployed rate among Gen Z

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

But we can stop the T20 from becoming plurality Asian.

Once trump is gone, we will have a chance to restore DEI, and with that tool back in our toolbox, there ought to be myriad ways of keeping these people from taking over the T20. We just need DEI to do it.

lol, please tell me this is trolling.

DP
Of course it's trolling. But there's a grain of truth

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

But we can stop the T20 from becoming plurality Asian.

Once trump is gone, we will have a chance to restore DEI, and with that tool back in our toolbox, there ought to be myriad ways of keeping these people from taking over the T20. We just need DEI to do it.

Are you saying that certain groups can't meet admissions standards without DEI?

The typical response of that you are using the wrong standards. The right standards world result in a racially proportional admission rate.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I guess you haven’t heard or overheard any candid conversations with white parents whose kids have been shut out of their state flagships.

45% Asian At Hopkins is pretty dramatic.

Asians shouldn't be punished for being super smart, just like certain groups shouln't be punished for producing outstanding athletes.

Keeping all these Asians out, and stopping them from taking over the top universities, is not punishing them.

It’s promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion.

By keeping out the smartest and brightest so lesser qualified can be physicians, scientists, researchers, etc? Most people want the brightest in those professions.

Going to an elite college doesn’t correlate to success in a field, it increases your chances but doesn’t mean you will be more successful

I agree.
However, the pursuit of elite schools won’t go away as long as many prestigious employers continue to target students from those schools and keep the old ranking system in mind.

For example, consider what would happen if Goldman Sachs started hiring primarily from no-name schools. Even though many employers don’t care about the specific school and a school does not determine a student’s ability, this still functions as a pre-filtering system for employers.

As you said, it increases the chance of success, which is one of the reasons people remain hypersensitive about gaining admission to elite schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

I am a different poster but it is true Stanley Zhong was not as "top" as his parents think in terms of UC's. UC's are looking for top grades in all classes, not just stem, he was light in terms of his non stem course work, English in particular. Further, UC's don't count grades from 9th or 12th grade and they cap the number of AP's that boost the GPA. He got a B in 10th grade, he was up against thousands of kids who had the full scope of course work and got all A's (like 40+ kids at his own high school), that is why he didn't get into Cal or UCLA, they took the kids with straight A's.
His transcript is on page 75 of this link to his case but the GPA isn't UC calculated. https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/157820.pdf

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

+1 His case has zero chance. His GPA, as reported by his parents, isn't the UC calculation. UC's only look at 10th and 11th year grades, Stanley got a B in 10th grade, that right there puts him below at least 30 kids in his own high school and literally 100's from the local area public and private high schools. Plus as the prior poster points out he didn't have max rigor in all subjects as required.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

+1 His case has zero chance. His GPA, as reported by his parents, isn't the UC calculation. UC's only look at 10th and 11th year grades, Stanley got a B in 10th grade, that right there puts him below at least 30 kids in his own high school and literally 100's from the local area public and private high schools. Plus as the prior poster points out he didn't have max rigor in all subjects as required.

https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/157820.pdf

His GPA was a 3.97 UW and 4.583 weighted. This was top 1% in his class. You all have to be clueless jokers.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

+1 His case has zero chance. His GPA, as reported by his parents, isn't the UC calculation. UC's only look at 10th and 11th year grades, Stanley got a B in 10th grade, that right there puts him below at least 30 kids in his own high school and literally 100's from the local area public and private high schools. Plus as the prior poster points out he didn't have max rigor in all subjects as required.

https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/157820.pdf

His GPA was a 3.97 UW and 4.583 weighted. This was top 1% in his class. You all have to be clueless jokers.

That is not his UC GPA, and he was top 9% percent of his class, not top 1% for the UC's. Cal and UCLA admitted several of his higher ranked high school peers.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

+1 His case has zero chance. His GPA, as reported by his parents, isn't the UC calculation. UC's only look at 10th and 11th year grades, Stanley got a B in 10th grade, that right there puts him below at least 30 kids in his own high school and literally 100's from the local area public and private high schools. Plus as the prior poster points out he didn't have max rigor in all subjects as required.

https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/157820.pdf

His GPA was a 3.97 UW and 4.583 weighted. This was top 1% in his class. You all have to be clueless jokers.

That is not his UC GPA, and he was top 9% percent of his class, not top 1% for the UC's. Cal and UCLA admitted several of his higher ranked high school peers.

And just to put a stake in this, Stanley went to Gunn High School and graduated in '23. That year 280 Gunn students applied to Cal and 35 were admitted of those 35 admitted zero were African American, zero were hispanic, 5 were white, 3 unknown (likely 5 the data doesn't add to the 35) and 25 were Asian. Good luck proving he wasn't admitted because he was Asian . . . .

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

+1 His case has zero chance. His GPA, as reported by his parents, isn't the UC calculation. UC's only look at 10th and 11th year grades, Stanley got a B in 10th grade, that right there puts him below at least 30 kids in his own high school and literally 100's from the local area public and private high schools. Plus as the prior poster points out he didn't have max rigor in all subjects as required.

https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/157820.pdf

His GPA was a 3.97 UW and 4.583 weighted. This was top 1% in his class. You all have to be clueless jokers.

That is not his UC GPA, and he was top 9% percent of his class, not top 1% for the UC's. Cal and UCLA admitted several of his higher ranked high school peers.

And just to put a stake in this, Stanley went to Gunn High School and graduated in '23. That year 280 Gunn students applied to Cal and 35 were admitted of those 35 admitted zero were African American, zero were hispanic, 5 were white, 3 unknown (likely 5 the data doesn't add to the 35) and 25 were Asian. Good luck proving he wasn't admitted because he was Asian . . . .

The graduating class of Gunn HS is not the entire applicant pool.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

Not just one school. The entire area has become hunger game, cutthroat, grinding miery

It doesn't feel hunger games to the asians (and other immigrants). It just feels competitive. Your kids are soft.

Boring. Anyone wins within China? Your best miserable demonstration. 17% unemployed rate among Gen Z

Their Gen Z unemployment rate is closer to 12% https://www.newsweek.com/20-million-gen-z-jobless-in-urban-china-11241243
Our Gen Z unemployment rate is about 10% https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14024887

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

False. The real reason is the top privates do horrendously in UC admissions.

You likely don't even know this exists:

https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/about-us/information-center/admissions-source-school

UC enrollment has been going up for several top privates like Nueva, Menlo, Harker. Admissions is low however.

PP: I know that material well, extremely well in fact. I also know the A-G requirements, ninth grade exclusion (not at SLO), ELC implications (local and state), etc. whatever you would like to talk about. I can tell you exactly why Stanley Zhong was shut out as well...hint, he had a terrible transcript for UC requirements.

I also know that your hypothesis is totally incorrect. I also know that multiple large privates in the Bay Area actually suggest to kids that they not apply to the top UCs unless they actually want to attend because the number of slots they end up with is pretty consistent or fixed depending on your POV. So top kids getting slots that won't yield hurts others at the school who would yield.

Why do you think admissions are low? The top kids generally aren't applying unless they are Asian. They are choosing top privates instead though a few will go for other subjects. Also, many of the Asian kids from the schools that you mention go top Private as well. The UCs are far more interesting to Asian Public school kids in the Bay Area.

Show me Stanley’s transcript. why was it “bad for UCs” when he had a top gpa

HIs transcript is in the pleading appendix, go look it up. Top GPA is meaningless somewhere like Gunn, the school is full of top GPA kids. He barely covered his A-G requirements, his covering classes outside of of Math often lacked rigor (Honors vs AP from a school like Paly is the "kiss of death" for a top UC) and his load wasn't balanced.

He either:
1. Got terrible advice from the counselors which given it was Gunn that he went to.
2. His family ignored the counselors advice believing that peak test scores were actually all that really mattered.

His application wasn't aligned to UC (or most elite) admissions at all. Given the two schools that he did get into there were schools willing to see his CS potential and overlook the rest of the deficiencies but that isn't generally a winning bet. His case has zero chance of success.

+1 His case has zero chance. His GPA, as reported by his parents, isn't the UC calculation. UC's only look at 10th and 11th year grades, Stanley got a B in 10th grade, that right there puts him below at least 30 kids in his own high school and literally 100's from the local area public and private high schools. Plus as the prior poster points out he didn't have max rigor in all subjects as required.

https://clearinghouse-umich-production.s3.amazonaws.com/media/doc/157820.pdf

His GPA was a 3.97 UW and 4.583 weighted. This was top 1% in his class. You all have to be clueless jokers.

That is not his UC GPA, and he was top 9% percent of his class, not top 1% for the UC's. Cal and UCLA admitted several of his higher ranked high school peers.

And just to put a stake in this, Stanley went to Gunn High School and graduated in '23. That year 280 Gunn students applied to Cal and 35 were admitted of those 35 admitted zero were African American, zero were hispanic, 5 were white, 3 unknown (likely 5 the data doesn't add to the 35) and 25 were Asian. Good luck proving he wasn't admitted because he was Asian . . . .

The graduating class of Gunn HS is not the entire applicant pool.

No kidding but the UC’s admit by high school/location. There is a reason the Zhong’s couldn’t get a lawyer to take this case.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder how this will change students' applications in the future.

Asian students are definitely deserving of these seats, but it's just true that a high concentration of Asians changes the campus culture. Asian students tend to intensify the academic environment but are more introverted and aren't as involved in sports or parties. This fundamentally alters the college experience.

If the entire T20 becomes plurality Asian, my general guess is that many affluent white families will stop valuing these schools so much because they tend to really care about the overall "college experience." Far more white kids are going to opt for the SEC or B10 experience over the private T20s.

Doubtful. Whites haven't stopped applying to and going to the UCs as a result of Asian invasion

Actually in CA they have. If you look at the strong privates in CA (which is where affluent white kids go) you will see far lower numbers attending top UCs. They are opting for OOS privates because of the crazy admissions process, crowded campuses and poor housing situation. Middle class white kids are still attending the UCs.

Strong privates in CA have large Asian populations.

Many do, and some like Harker have effectively become so Asian dominated that others no longer choose to go there.

Not just one school. The entire area has become hunger game, cutthroat, grinding miery

It doesn't feel hunger games to the asians (and other immigrants). It just feels competitive. Your kids are soft.

Boring. Anyone wins within China? Your best miserable demonstration. 17% unemployed rate among Gen Z

Their Gen Z unemployment rate is closer to 12% https://www.newsweek.com/20-million-gen-z-jobless-in-urban-china-11241243
Our Gen Z unemployment rate is about 10% https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14024887

Who knows your data is correct or not. Are grinding hard and winning at all cost make their lives better so they stop coming to the US?