Without affirmative action, elite colleges are prioritizing economic diversity in admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

You can be hard working without making college the toxic, mundane experience it’s becoming due to these students. There’s a demographics issue that’s causing students to have a lot less enjoyment and fulfillment from their college process- so many schools, especially SLACs have had a war on their Greek life, non academic student organizations, and informal fun spaces, because everything has become so academics focused. DD came home this winter break explaining she got written up for being too loud with her dorm birthday celebration party because it was 9 pm and quiet hours start at 7- SEVEN! That’s ridiculous.

Exactly. All of these people obsessed with "meritocracies" have no joy in their lives. Believe it or not, it is not impossible to be both very smart and also have an interesting personality. I'm willing to take a slightly lower SAT score or GPA for a kid who has emotional intelligence, smiles, can make small talk, and generally do something other than study (or do fake activities to pad their applications). I know many people here will disagree with me or call me anti this or anti that, but that is what college is supposed to be all about. And there are plenty of kids in these stereotypically "grinder" groups that are very well rounded, "normal" kids. There are just too many who aren't. And there are plenty of caucasian grinders too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

The DC Metro has the highest concentration of Black Americans getting 1400 + higher on Sat

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w12078/w12078.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

The DC Metro has the highest concentration of Black Americans getting 1400 + higher on Sat

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w12078/w12078.pdf

The culture around Black Americans in the DMV for the most part is to value education, it's always been that way, going back to Dunbar Highschool

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

You can be hard working without making college the toxic, mundane experience it’s becoming due to these students. There’s a demographics issue that’s causing students to have a lot less enjoyment and fulfillment from their college process- so many schools, especially SLACs have had a war on their Greek life, non academic student organizations, and informal fun spaces, because everything has become so academics focused. DD came home this winter break explaining she got written up for being too loud with her dorm birthday celebration party because it was 9 pm and quiet hours start at 7- SEVEN! That’s ridiculous.

Exactly. All of these people obsessed with "meritocracies" have no joy in their lives. Believe it or not, it is not impossible to be both very smart and also have an interesting personality. I'm willing to take a slightly lower SAT score or GPA for a kid who has emotional intelligence, smiles, can make small talk, and generally do something other than study (or do fake activities to pad their applications). I know many people here will disagree with me or call me anti this or anti that, but that is what college is supposed to be all about. And there are plenty of kids in these stereotypically "grinder" groups that are very well rounded, "normal" kids. There are just too many who aren't. And there are plenty of caucasian grinders too.

This is white people trying to cope with their kid falling short - everyone who beat them is a grinder with no social skills. Keep telling yourself that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

If this data is correct , The ivy league would be

Asian - 50%

White - 46%

Hispanic - 3%

Black - 1%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

If this data is correct , The ivy league would be

Asian - 50%

White - 46%

Hispanic - 3%

Black - 1%

If they went purely on academics, yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

If this data is correct , The ivy league would be

Asian - 50%

White - 46%

Hispanic - 3%

Black - 1%

If they went purely on academics, yes

THE Asian success story in the United States is truly inspiring

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

If this data is correct , The ivy league would be

Asian - 50%

White - 46%

Hispanic - 3%

Black - 1%

If they went purely on academics, yes

THE Asian success story in the United States is truly inspiring

The took over the animation industry, academics, and tech

[Anonymous]

About 20,000 Asian kids get a 5 on Calc BC every year. 22,000 White kids. 700 Black kids. 3600 “Hispanic” kids.

[Anonymous]

learn a trade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

If this data is correct , The ivy league would be

Asian - 50%

White - 46%

Hispanic - 3%

Black - 1%

If they went purely on academics, yes

White people want enough academics to eliminate blacks and Hispanics but not so much academics as to eliminate them. So it’s kind of like merit-lite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

If this data is correct , The ivy league would be

Asian - 50%

White - 46%

Hispanic - 3%

Black - 1%

If they went purely on academics, yes

White people want enough academics to eliminate blacks and Hispanics but not so much academics as to eliminate them. So it’s kind of like merit-lite.

Pretty sure that isn't the case. SFFA had to recruit Asians for SFFA v Harvard because they could not get any white candidates to sign on.

[Anonymous]

Sorry - I read back but must be missing something: How can colleges know who is low income based on students' applications?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry - I read back but must be missing something: How can colleges know who is low income based on students' applications?

Answering my own question but I'll bet the answer is: fee waivers.

Even when admissions offices have zero access to FAFSA and CSS forms, they can certainly see who is eligible to have application fees waived. That could easily be a quick proxy for 'low income,' I imagine.

carry on.