Without affirmative action, elite colleges are prioritizing economic diversity in admissions

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Anonymous wrote:The return of testing requirements is Jim Crow.

Hopefully the schools will continue to resist.

Jim Crow? How so? Are black people unable to do well on tests?

Are the tests rigged to favor whites (and for some reason asians do better than whites)?

Questions where black students score well are omitted in the design phase for the SAT.

No, questions where random students did better and had no probative value were excluded.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Who do you think would believe this nonsense?
We do not think of hard working asian students the way white people think of white trash.
I don't want my kid working quite that hard but I don't look down on the kids that do.

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Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

Of course it is. If you’re already connected what do you need it for?

Because that's not how connections work.

If you don't need to even go to college then you really want college for the social connections and the social connections at a place like Alabama are all new money of provincial southern society folks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

Because some asian people really hate being asian and reject everything about it except when they are around their white friends. When they are with their white friends, they really play it up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

There’s a decent chunk of genuinely smart, well connected students at SMU, LMU, Elon, WUSTL, Umiami, Vandy… These are definitely not the Ivy League students PP is talking about, but they’re avoiding various schools with “sweat” cultures with no fun.

None of these schools are Alabama

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The return of testing requirements is Jim Crow.

Hopefully the schools will continue to resist.

Jim Crow? How so? Are black people unable to do well on tests?

Are the tests rigged to favor whites (and for some reason asians do better than whites)?

Questions where black students score well are omitted in the design phase for the SAT.

That is categorically untrue. This same gap (about one standard deviation) is observed on every academic or cognitive test out there. SAT, ACT, LSAT, ASVAB etc, as well as every IQ test out there. This gap narrowed a bit in the 70s but has been consistent for the last 50+ years. Is your assertion that every test designer in the last 50 years has worked together and coordinated so that these tests always come out with a 1 SD gap?

No my assertion was about the SAT. You just threw in other tests for histrionics.

The SATs are crafted using the exact same psychometric techniques as the other tests.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

Why are people upset about being accused of working hard? Do people get upset about being called beautiful?

Because they are being compared to white trash. SDo the question is why are they comparing hard working kids to white trash?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

You can be hard working without making college the toxic, mundane experience it’s becoming due to these students. There’s a demographics issue that’s causing students to have a lot less enjoyment and fulfillment from their college process- so many schools, especially SLACs have had a war on their Greek life, non academic student organizations, and informal fun spaces, because everything has become so academics focused. DD came home this winter break explaining she got written up for being too loud with her dorm birthday celebration party because it was 9 pm and quiet hours start at 7- SEVEN! That’s ridiculous.

Exactly. All of these people obsessed with "meritocracies" have no joy in their lives. Believe it or not, it is not impossible to be both very smart and also have an interesting personality. I'm willing to take a slightly lower SAT score or GPA for a kid who has emotional intelligence, smiles, can make small talk, and generally do something other than study (or do fake activities to pad their applications). I know many people here will disagree with me or call me anti this or anti that, but that is what college is supposed to be all about. And there are plenty of kids in these stereotypically "grinder" groups that are very well rounded, "normal" kids. There are just too many who aren't. And there are plenty of caucasian grinders too.

Most smart kids have very interesting personalities. Assuming they don't is just a coping mechanism.

It's like white people that think asian kids have a higher suicide rate when white kids are the ones with higher suicide rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

If this data is correct , The ivy league would be

Asian - 50%

White - 46%

Hispanic - 3%

Black - 1%

If they went purely on academics, yes

THE Asian success story in the United States is truly inspiring

Being previously rich or highly educated in your past country, residing only in remarkably expensive coastal areas for the rich, and then being rich are now success stories?


Most of the Asian demographics who are from actually poor/war torn backgrounds are struggling and doing terribly in the US. You’re just focused on the East Asian people wealthy crowd.

Asian Americans are the race with the largest inequality gap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

Why are people upset about being accused of working hard? Do people get upset about being called beautiful?

Because people need to make up oppression. Asians created the concept of “positive racism” as if it’s slavery that someone called you smart and good at math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

The DC Metro has the highest concentration of Black Americans getting 1400 + higher on Sat

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w12078/w12078.pdf

I don't see that in the paper. Do you have a page number?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

Since almost all schools superscore, you are grossly underestimating the numbers of kids with higher scores…the discrepancy, while undoubtedly large, also would be smaller because, on average, Asians take the test more times, even than whites - and blacks the least.

This breakdown by percentages has not changed much in decades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

The DC Metro has the highest concentration of Black Americans getting 1400 + higher on Sat

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w12078/w12078.pdf

I don't see that in the paper. Do you have a page number?

Here are some Numbers

2025 - Virginia https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-virginia-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2024 - Maryland https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-maryland-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

2024 - DC https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-district-of-columbia-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

2024 - California https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-california-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

2024 - Texas https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-texas-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

2025 - Florida https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-florida-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2025 - Georgia https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-georgia-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2025 - NC https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-north-carolina-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2025 - NY https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-new-york-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2024 - MAss https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-massachusetts-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lot of angry losers who thought SCOTUS was handing Ivy slots to their kids that just can’t make the grade.

Let's do the math. In 2022 the SAT test taker demographics were as follows (from https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/20...ts-annual-report.pdf)

175,468 Asians
201,645 Black/African Americans
396,422 Hispanic/Latino
732,946 White

In 2020, the percentage of takers getting a 1500+/1400+ (respectively) by race were:

9%/23% of Asians
<1%/1% of Black/African Americans
<1%/2% of Hispanics/Latinos
2%/7% of Whites

That means that among the pool of people getting 1500/1400+ (rounding <1% to 0.5%):

15,792/40,357 are Asian
1,008/2,016 are Black
1,982/7,928 are Hispanic
14,658/51,306 are White

They're not getting mad, they're getting theirs

The DC Metro has the highest concentration of Black Americans getting 1400 + higher on Sat

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w12078/w12078.pdf

I don't see that in the paper. Do you have a page number?

Here are some Numbers

2025 - Virginia https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-virginia-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2024 - Maryland https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-maryland-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

2024 - DC https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-district-of-columbia-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

2024 - California https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-california-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

2024 - Texas https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-texas-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

2025 - Florida https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-florida-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2025 - Georgia https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-georgia-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2025 - NC https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-north-carolina-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2025 - NY https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2025-new-york-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report%20ADA-v0.2.pdf

2024 - MAss https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2024-massachusetts-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report-ADA.pdf

Thanks for the links

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Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

Of course it is. If you’re already connected what do you need it for?

Because that's not how connections work.

If you don't need to even go to college then you really want college for the social connections and the social connections at a place like Alabama are all new money of provincial southern society folks.

That’s not true at all. The truly wealthy go to college wherever they want to socialize with each other. Which they can do anywhere. Thinking your poor kids are going to get to know them and land internships through their new connections is laughable.