Without affirmative action, elite colleges are prioritizing economic diversity in admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The return of testing requirements is Jim Crow.

Hopefully the schools will continue to resist.

Jim Crow? How so? Are black people unable to do well on tests?

Are the tests rigged to favor whites (and for some reason asians do better than whites)?

Questions where black students score well are omitted in the design phase for the SAT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is an “ Ivy-adjacent college”?

A coping mechanism

I'm the person you're referring to. My son isn't at an Ivy but a T15 school that everyone knows of (Think Northwestern, Duke, Vandy, etc.). The Ivies are a sports league.

You’re the one who used ivy adjacent. No one asked you to. I think someone’s feeling a little insecure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The return of testing requirements is Jim Crow.

Hopefully the schools will continue to resist.

Jim Crow? How so? Are black people unable to do well on tests?

Are the tests rigged to favor whites (and for some reason asians do better than whites)?

Questions where black students score well are omitted in the design phase for the SAT.

That is categorically untrue. This same gap (about one standard deviation) is observed on every academic or cognitive test out there. SAT, ACT, LSAT, ASVAB etc, as well as every IQ test out there. This gap narrowed a bit in the 70s but has been consistent for the last 50+ years. Is your assertion that every test designer in the last 50 years has worked together and coordinated so that these tests always come out with a 1 SD gap?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Meritocracy is dead

The idea that merit is defined by test scores is boring.

The truth is often boring.

But boring fiction which is the case here is vapid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

Of course it is. If you’re already connected what do you need it for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

You can be hard working without making college the toxic, mundane experience it’s becoming due to these students. There’s a demographics issue that’s causing students to have a lot less enjoyment and fulfillment from their college process- so many schools, especially SLACs have had a war on their Greek life, non academic student organizations, and informal fun spaces, because everything has become so academics focused. DD came home this winter break explaining she got written up for being too loud with her dorm birthday celebration party because it was 9 pm and quiet hours start at 7- SEVEN! That’s ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

There’s a decent chunk of genuinely smart, well connected students at SMU, LMU, Elon, WUSTL, Umiami, Vandy… These are definitely not the Ivy League students PP is talking about, but they’re avoiding various schools with “sweat” cultures with no fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

There’s a decent chunk of genuinely smart, well connected students at SMU, LMU, Elon, WUSTL, Umiami, Vandy… These are definitely not the Ivy League students PP is talking about, but they’re avoiding various schools with “sweat” cultures with no fun.

New poster. You forgot High Point! HPU, Elon, SMU, LMU, and Miami don’t belong in the same category as Vandy or WUSTL. But nice try. No one rich wants to admit that their kid is so mediocre that they ended up at Elon et al.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

There’s a decent chunk of genuinely smart, well connected students at SMU, LMU, Elon, WUSTL, Umiami, Vandy… These are definitely not the Ivy League students PP is talking about, but they’re avoiding various schools with “sweat” cultures with no fun.

That is something that could have a bit of traction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With AI progressing so quickly, college prestige may matter less and less. People won’t need a degree to prove their abilities. Seeing so many Gen Z job struggles—unemployment, low wages, outsourcing, H-1B competition—makes it feel like our kids are just fighting to survive. It’s hard to know whether a college degree still makes a difference.

Uh no. Top colleges will always matter

Maybe to the poor who don’t pay a dime but ROI matters and the ROI just isn’t there anymore for full pay students.

You sound stupid trying to argue that full pay students are passing on ivy league credential based on ROI

Well not just that but people don't want to consider it for several reasons including ROI. Sorry that bursts your bubble that's it's just so elite and everyone is dying to go. Smart rich kids are taking their wealth and connections elsewhere.

This just isn’t true.

There’s a decent chunk of genuinely smart, well connected students at SMU, LMU, Elon, WUSTL, Umiami, Vandy… These are definitely not the Ivy League students PP is talking about, but they’re avoiding various schools with “sweat” cultures with no fun.

New poster. You forgot High Point! HPU, Elon, SMU, LMU, and Miami don’t belong in the same category as Vandy or WUSTL. But nice try. No one rich wants to admit that their kid is so mediocre that they ended up at Elon et al.

I wasn’t trying anything! What you said is definitely true. My kids go to those small rural New England colleges people post “will my son survive” posts, so I have no qualms agreeing that an SMU student is nothing like a Vandy student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The return of testing requirements is Jim Crow.

Hopefully the schools will continue to resist.

Jim Crow? How so? Are black people unable to do well on tests?

Are the tests rigged to favor whites (and for some reason asians do better than whites)?

Questions where black students score well are omitted in the design phase for the SAT.

That is categorically untrue. This same gap (about one standard deviation) is observed on every academic or cognitive test out there. SAT, ACT, LSAT, ASVAB etc, as well as every IQ test out there. This gap narrowed a bit in the 70s but has been consistent for the last 50+ years. Is your assertion that every test designer in the last 50 years has worked together and coordinated so that these tests always come out with a 1 SD gap?

No my assertion was about the SAT. You just threw in other tests for histrionics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

Using "grinder" as a derogatory term pretty much sums up why your community is declining.

I’m part of that community….we think of “Asian grinders” in a similar manner to how that community feels about “white trash”.

Why so you look down on people of a certain race for working hard?

Why are people upset about being accused of working hard? Do people get upset about being called beautiful?