Birthright Citizenship

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just glad that I was a green card holder when my oldest was born and a citizen when the youngest was born. And that their father is American by birth as well.

Yes being a legal immigration visa holder, on the books, is a requirement to live indefinitely in most well-functioning countries.

That is no longer a guarantee here. But this is to be expected in a country of imbeciles who equate people with temp status, or who are claiming asylum, with "illegal", which they are not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t we all birthright citizens with the American Indian being the only true citizens?

No they don't own America anymore we make the rules

Do you know how fuxxing stupid you sound?

It’s all part of the angry maga beta brigade act.

https://adamkinzinger.substack.com/p/the-beta-brigade-trumps-faux-alphas

[Anonymous]

If my grandmother was not in this country legally, can I be deported to Slovakia with my mom and siblings and get an EU passport? If so I volunteer as tribute! I’m ready ICE, come get me!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do folks not want more citizens? Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral. Do folks not look around? Look at Europe and Japan (even China now). Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies. We have (had) hope with immigration.

Because they used to be white but now they're brown.

Because we don’t need nor want 2.5 million additional uneducated, illiterate, unskilled cash pay illegal economic migrants a year nor their 4.38 anchor babies per female.

This.

That was your ancestors 120 years ago and here you are!

Nope they were legal immigrants literate in their own language, educated and skilled.

No ESOL or welfare available for their children.

Plus extensive welfare, tax, and social and public good systems in American did not yet exist. Neither did all 50 states.

You mean they were white Europeans, just go ahead and say it.

Most European immigrants that came over prior to 1930 were not highly educated or skilled either. We’ve done this every 60 years or so - complain about current wave of immigrants without recognizing our own.

Poor British came. Then they complained about the poor Scottish. They they complained about the poor Irish who came in the 1880s. Then their children complained about the poor Italians and Polish. And the complaints about the Jews fleeing Russia. Then the children of all those groups complained about the Chinese and Japanese. Then the Mexicans. It goes on and on and on.

Anyone claiming their highly educated family came in 1880 is either lying or ignorant or cherry picking data.

You left out the part where the Europeans came over legally, with documents, with health checks, with sponsor dollars. Not illegally crossing a land border and disappearing or claiming a fake sob story.

You also left out the part where the Europeans were at least literate and schooled in their home country, and even trades.

Today we get illiterates in their home language and have never been in a school room. Central American countries, x-Mexico, don’t even mandate public education beyond age 12.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just glad that I was a green card holder when my oldest was born and a citizen when the youngest was born. And that their father is American by birth as well.

Yes being a legal immigration visa holder, on the books, is a requirement to live indefinitely in most well-functioning countries.

That is no longer a guarantee here. But this is to be expected in a country of imbeciles who equate people with temp status, or who are claiming asylum, with "illegal", which they are not.

Ah yes the phony asylum cases backlog. If you get caught say that.
Good times with that big loophole of BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just glad that I was a green card holder when my oldest was born and a citizen when the youngest was born. And that their father is American by birth as well.

Yes being a legal immigration visa holder, on the books, is a requirement to live indefinitely in most well-functioning countries.

That is no longer a guarantee here. But this is to be expected in a country of imbeciles who equate people with temp status, or who are claiming asylum, with "illegal", which they are not.

90 day tourist visa overstayers = Illegal

[Anonymous]

Marrying an American on a tourist visa = illegal

Marrying an American whilst on an expired tourist visa should = illegal, but is encouraged

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Anonymous wrote:Why do folks not want more citizens? Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral. Do folks not look around? Look at Europe and Japan (even China now). Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies. We have (had) hope with immigration.

Because they used to be white but now they're brown.

Because we don’t need nor want 2.5 million additional uneducated, illiterate, unskilled cash pay illegal economic migrants a year nor their 4.38 anchor babies per female.

This.

That was your ancestors 120 years ago and here you are!

Nope they were legal immigrants literate in their own language, educated and skilled.

No ESOL or welfare available for their children.

Plus extensive welfare, tax, and social and public good systems in American did not yet exist. Neither did all 50 states.

You mean they were white Europeans, just go ahead and say it.

Most European immigrants that came over prior to 1930 were not highly educated or skilled either. We’ve done this every 60 years or so - complain about current wave of immigrants without recognizing our own.

Poor British came. Then they complained about the poor Scottish. They they complained about the poor Irish who came in the 1880s. Then their children complained about the poor Italians and Polish. And the complaints about the Jews fleeing Russia. Then the children of all those groups complained about the Chinese and Japanese. Then the Mexicans. It goes on and on and on.

Anyone claiming their highly educated family came in 1880 is either lying or ignorant or cherry picking data.

You left out the part where the Europeans came over legally, with documents, with health checks, with sponsor dollars. Not illegally crossing a land border and disappearing or claiming a fake sob story.

You also left out the part where the Europeans were at least literate and schooled in their home country, and even trades.

Today we get illiterates in their home language and have never been in a school room. Central American countries, x-Mexico, don’t even mandate public education beyond age 12.

Not before the 20th century. Stop just making stuff up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do folks not want more citizens? Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral. Do folks not look around? Look at Europe and Japan (even China now). Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies. We have (had) hope with immigration.

Because they used to be white but now they're brown.

Because we don’t need nor want 2.5 million additional uneducated, illiterate, unskilled cash pay illegal economic migrants a year nor their 4.38 anchor babies per female.

This.

That was your ancestors 120 years ago and here you are!

Nope they were legal immigrants literate in their own language, educated and skilled.

No ESOL or welfare available for their children.

Plus extensive welfare, tax, and social and public good systems in American did not yet exist. Neither did all 50 states.

You mean they were white Europeans, just go ahead and say it.

esol and other immigration services were provided for the masses of European poor flooding ellis island and the urban centers of Chicago, san Fransisco, Philadelphia, Boston, NYC, Baltimore all had public school lessons in polish, Italian. Lithuanian, Romanian and yiddish plus many other languages . germans had German language school in New York, Wisconsin, Texas hill country until ww1.
god people here blathering on are SO ignorant of the history and culture if the united states, some of y'all need to go read the little house books again. they are positively left wing compared to some of the idiots posting here. The very first scene of little women is about the family giving their Christmas dinner to immigrants and is predicated on an ladies aid society that helps poor immigrants. the pioneers in little town on the prairie look food to charitable giving from people back east and the government giving handouts to support the homesteaders (aside from the homesteads as government handouts ). the very colonial settlers who came here were "sponsered' and given assistance to settle this place by the investors in the colony. so I don't know what terrible luck your literate, immigrant ancestors had that they didn't receive any of the things literally every other migrant to the 13 colonies and emigre to the western states got but my congratulations that your female ancestors were good on their backs & knees and you survived b/c everyone else survived on social programs.

Of course half the population here doesn’t know the above. Half the country is illiterate and/or never went to k-12 here so never learned US History. My European spouse included. He didn’t even know about WWII in the pacific until we visited Oahu and the movie came out.

[Anonymous]

How you feel about immigrants still doesn’t change the Constitution. Just a reminder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m just glad that I was a green card holder when my oldest was born and a citizen when the youngest was born. And that their father is American by birth as well.

Yes being a legal immigration visa holder, on the books, is a requirement to live indefinitely in most well-functioning countries.

That is no longer a guarantee here. But this is to be expected in a country of imbeciles who equate people with temp status, or who are claiming asylum, with "illegal", which they are not.

90 day tourist visa overstayers = Illegal

No one cares, Adolph.

[Anonymous]

I'm all for ending birthright citizenship. Very few other countries offer this and none of our peer democracies do (that I'm aware, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but even then we're talking about a rarity). And it's something heavily abused. What worked for the first part of American history doesn't mean it has to always be the case going forward. After all, slavery was legal for the first 90 years of the United States, right? The world has changed and I'm pretty confident that the founding fathers alive today would not be in favor of birthright citizenship.

Yes, agree it should be changed with constitutional amendments rather than EO. But am aware of the political near-impossibility even if most people would agree to it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do folks not want more citizens? Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral. Do folks not look around? Look at Europe and Japan (even China now). Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies. We have (had) hope with immigration.

Because they used to be white but now they're brown.

[i]Why do folks not want more citizens? Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral. Do folks not look around? Look at Europe and Japan (even China now). Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies. We have (had) hope with immigration.

I agree and this is why republicans can't say they are pro life-they are NOT! MAGA is the party of white christian nationalists... read project 2025. They want white women having more babies which is why they are working hard to take away women's choices/rights to healthcare-they want women out of the work place and in the home raising white christian babies. They are just getting started....think Germany for those of you who are educated and actually paid attention is school and you know read books (read more before they are banned).

DP. I lived in Japan for years. I would rather have a stagnant economy and peaceful living than the chaos taking place in the U.S., Britain and European countries that have had crazy migration inflows. Growth is overrated. In spite of the challenges Japan is facing, the vast majority of Japanese are not clamoring for more immigration.

“But we need growth!” Is especially rich coming from the same people who also belong to the climate change religion.
No, we don’t. We need to consume less and have simpler lives closer to our homes and families. Not dual big job incomes with cars and commutes and outsourcing everything and conspicuous consumption.

“But social security!”
No, not this either. Stop the growth dependent Ponzi scheme. No one has the right to a leisurely and luxurious retirement starting at 62. Not saying to do away with it altogether but by all means, nudge the slider over and make it sustainable without relying on population growth.

“But my 401k!”
Nope. Not this either. We need to fix our system so that we don’t have to put our money in stocks (and maximizing shareholder gains at the expense of everyday workers) in order to have security later in life.

We don’t need growth at all. For the benefit of families, we do need stability and for more leverage to be shifted back over to everyday workers for better pay and working conditions. We cannot do that by importing millions of illiterate people willing to do harder and harder work for less and less.

Japan is a weird comparison. It’s a a racially homogenous country unlike the US. If every immigrant /descendant since 1950 (code for non White immigrant) was removed from the US tomorrow, the US would still have the black vs white divide . We can’t compare the US to Japan. Two different countries, two different histories.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do folks not want more citizens? Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral. Do folks not look around? Look at Europe and Japan (even China now). Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies. We have (had) hope with immigration.

Because they used to be white but now they're brown.

Because we don’t need nor want 2.5 million additional uneducated, illiterate, unskilled cash pay illegal economic migrants a year nor their 4.38 anchor babies per female.

This.

That was your ancestors 120 years ago and here you are!

Nope they were legal immigrants literate in their own language, educated and skilled.

No ESOL or welfare available for their children.

Plus extensive welfare, tax, and social and public good systems in American did not yet exist. Neither did all 50 states.

You mean they were white Europeans, just go ahead and say it.

Most European immigrants that came over prior to 1930 were not highly educated or skilled either. We’ve done this every 60 years or so - complain about current wave of immigrants without recognizing our own.

Poor British came. Then they complained about the poor Scottish. They they complained about the poor Irish who came in the 1880s. Then their children complained about the poor Italians and Polish. And the complaints about the Jews fleeing Russia. Then the children of all those groups complained about the Chinese and Japanese. Then the Mexicans. It goes on and on and on.

Anyone claiming their highly educated family came in 1880 is either lying or ignorant or cherry picking data.

You left out the part where the Europeans came over legally, with documents, with health checks, with sponsor dollars. Not illegally crossing a land border and disappearing or claiming a fake sob story.

You also left out the part where the Europeans were at least literate and schooled in their home country, and even trades.

Today we get illiterates in their home language and have never been in a school room. Central American countries, x-Mexico, don’t even mandate public education beyond age 12.

Europeans were not literate or legal when they came here. You never heard of Ellis Island? Tenements? Prohibition gangsters? All white immigrants? The term WAP meaning without papers used as a slur for Italians. WASP’s hired blacks as domestics over white immigrants who were looked at as bottom of the barrel and criminals.

It seems white Americans like to whitewash the real history of the Italians, Irish, Germans, Jews, Polish etc and the real stories behind WASPs hating white immigrants, Catholics, and Jews

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do folks not want more citizens? Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral. Do folks not look around? Look at Europe and Japan (even China now). Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies. We have (had) hope with immigration.

Because they used to be white but now they're brown.

Because we don’t need nor want 2.5 million additional uneducated, illiterate, unskilled cash pay illegal economic migrants a year nor their 4.38 anchor babies per female.

This.

That was your ancestors 120 years ago and here you are!

Nope they were legal immigrants literate in their own language, educated and skilled.

No ESOL or welfare available for their children.

Plus extensive welfare, tax, and social and public good systems in American did not yet exist. Neither did all 50 states.

You mean they were white Europeans, just go ahead and say it.

Most European immigrants that came over prior to 1930 were not highly educated or skilled either. We’ve done this every 60 years or so - complain about current wave of immigrants without recognizing our own.

Poor British came. Then they complained about the poor Scottish. They they complained about the poor Irish who came in the 1880s. Then their children complained about the poor Italians and Polish. And the complaints about the Jews fleeing Russia. Then the children of all those groups complained about the Chinese and Japanese. Then the Mexicans. It goes on and on and on.

Anyone claiming their highly educated family came in 1880 is either lying or ignorant or cherry picking data.

You left out the part where the Europeans came over legally, with documents, with health checks, with sponsor dollars. Not illegally crossing a land border and disappearing or claiming a fake sob story.

You also left out the part where the Europeans were at least literate and schooled in their home country, and even trades.

Today we get illiterates in their home language and have never been in a school room. Central American countries, x-Mexico, don’t even mandate public education beyond age 12.

Please. Many of those Europeans lied on their application. Hell, our FLOTUS lied on her application.

Also, there was no quota for certain white European immigrants. It's disingenuous to argue that white Europeans came here legally en masse when there was no quota like nonwhite immigrants had. It's easier to immigrate legally when there is no quota for your kind.

Do you know how easy it was for an Irish person to immigrate to the US compared to a nonwhite person prior to 1960s?

Also, in the 1990s, 40% of visas were allotted to the Irish for several years - thanks to two Irish American congressman, one being Ted Kennedy.

So stuff it with the "oh, Europeans come legally". Yea, well that's because historically, our immigration policies were biased against non white people, and it was easier for white Europeans to come here.