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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why do folks not want more citizens?  Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral.  Do folks not look around?  Look at Europe and Japan (even China now).  Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies.  We have (had) hope with immigration.[/quote]

Because they used to be white but now they're brown.

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[i]Why do folks not want more citizens?  Our birthrate is declining. Immigration can save us from the grey spiral.  Do folks not look around?  Look at Europe and Japan (even China now).  Their declining broth rates are going to destroy their economies.  We have (had) hope with immigration.[/quote]

I agree and this is why republicans can't say they are pro life-they are NOT! MAGA is the party of white christian nationalists... read project 2025. They want white women having more babies which is why they are working hard to take away women's choices/rights to healthcare-they want women out of the work place and in the home raising white christian babies. They are just getting started....think Germany for those of you who are educated and actually paid attention is school and you know read books (read more before they are banned). [/quote]

DP. I lived in Japan for years. I would rather have a stagnant economy and peaceful living than the chaos taking place in the U.S., Britain and European countries that have had crazy migration inflows. Growth is overrated. In spite of the challenges Japan is facing, the vast majority of Japanese are not clamoring for more immigration.

“But we need growth!” Is especially rich coming from the same people who also belong to the climate change religion. 
No, we don’t. We need to consume less and have simpler lives closer to our homes and families. Not dual big job incomes with cars and commutes and outsourcing everything and conspicuous consumption.

“But social security!” 
No, not this either. Stop the growth dependent Ponzi scheme. No one has the right to a leisurely and luxurious retirement starting at 62. Not saying to do away with it altogether but by all means, nudge the slider over and make it sustainable without relying on population growth.

“But my 401k!”
Nope. Not this either. We need to fix our system so that we don’t have to put our money in stocks (and maximizing shareholder gains at the expense of everyday workers) in order to have security later in life.

We don’t need growth at all. For the benefit of families, we do need stability and for more leverage to be shifted back over to everyday workers for better pay and working conditions. We cannot do that by importing millions of illiterate people willing to do harder and harder work for less and less. [/quote]

Japan is a weird comparison. It’s a  a racially homogenous country unlike  the US.  If every immigrant /descendant since 1950 (code for non White immigrant) was removed from the US tomorrow, the US would still have the black vs white divide . We can’t compare the US to Japan. Two different countries, two different histories. [/quote]

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