Kilmar coming back

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.

They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.

There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.

The DOJ claims he was trafficking people, but there is a filing on record from before the incident with the full disclosure that he was traveling to MD from Texas. Why would someone who was trafficking people notifiy the authorities of the same?

The administration is grasping hard. What an embarrassing week for Trump.

The Tennessee grand jury indictments are very serious. It was not done on a lark. What it really means is that while people like you were screaming due process, the people behind the scenes quietly did some investigating and found out a lot more about the El Salvadoran Kilmar. Which is unfortunate for him, I suppose. Ironically he probably would have been better off quietly accepting the deportation order instead of fighting it. And I wouldn't be surprised if more stuff comes out later, potentially about his activities in El Salvador. He was unquestionably a human trafficker.

If indictments were that serious, Trump would have been ejected from office during his first term and in jail for life now.

It’s really beating a dead horse trying to bring up lawfare against Trump in this discussion. He is your president. Move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.

They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.

There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.

The DOJ claims he was trafficking people, but there is a filing on record from before the incident with the full disclosure that he was traveling to MD from Texas. Why would someone who was trafficking people notifiy the authorities of the same?

The administration is grasping hard. What an embarrassing week for Trump.

The Tennessee grand jury indictments are very serious. It was not done on a lark. What it really means is that while people like you were screaming due process, the people behind the scenes quietly did some investigating and found out a lot more about the El Salvadoran Kilmar. Which is unfortunate for him, I suppose. Ironically he probably would have been better off quietly accepting the deportation order instead of fighting it. And I wouldn't be surprised if more stuff comes out later, potentially about his activities in El Salvador. He was unquestionably a human trafficker.

Do you really not see anything I constitutional about what you said? Are you being serious?

First of all…screaming about due process??? Do you not believe in due process? Please realize that due process is key to our judicial system. EVERYONE gets due process. No matter how obvious, blatant, or horrific the crime is, due process. It isn’t about protecting criminals. It is about protecting all Americans. At any time, you or I could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and be suspected of a crime. Do you really want to set the precedent where LE can say, “Eh, it really seems like she did it. Just lock her up. No need for a trial”? That’s what we have been fighting here. I don’t know anything about Garcia or this case. I don’t know if he is guilty or innocent. That is beside the point. We should be able to trust the judicial system to accurately determine his guilt or innocence and, if guilty, apply a punishment that fits the crime.

And do you realize that you just admitted he was detained and THEN they did investigating to try to find evidence of him committing a crime? You really think it’s ok to say, “Hey, that tattoo seems questionable. We are going to detain and deport you and then investigate you until we find something sketchy.”

Again, this is not about protecting one person. This is about protecting all of us and our constitution.

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Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.

They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.

There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.

The DOJ claims he was trafficking people, but there is a filing on record from before the incident with the full disclosure that he was traveling to MD from Texas. Why would someone who was trafficking people notifiy the authorities of the same?

The administration is grasping hard. What an embarrassing week for Trump.

The Tennessee grand jury indictments are very serious. It was not done on a lark. What it really means is that while people like you were screaming due process, the people behind the scenes quietly did some investigating and found out a lot more about the El Salvadoran Kilmar. Which is unfortunate for him, I suppose. Ironically he probably would have been better off quietly accepting the deportation order instead of fighting it. And I wouldn't be surprised if more stuff comes out later, potentially about his activities in El Salvador. He was unquestionably a human trafficker.

If indictments were that serious, Trump would have been ejected from office during his first term and in jail for life now.

It’s really beating a dead horse trying to bring up lawfare against Trump in this discussion. He is your president. Move on.

Do here, but no. We will never move on from the fact that the potus is a convicted criminal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.

They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.

There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.

The DOJ claims he was trafficking people, but there is a filing on record from before the incident with the full disclosure that he was traveling to MD from Texas. Why would someone who was trafficking people notifiy the authorities of the same?

The administration is grasping hard. What an embarrassing week for Trump.

The Tennessee grand jury indictments are very serious. It was not done on a lark. What it really means is that while people like you were screaming due process, the people behind the scenes quietly did some investigating and found out a lot more about the El Salvadoran Kilmar. Which is unfortunate for him, I suppose. Ironically he probably would have been better off quietly accepting the deportation order instead of fighting it. And I wouldn't be surprised if more stuff comes out later, potentially about his activities in El Salvador. He was unquestionably a human trafficker.

Do you really not see anything I constitutional about what you said? Are you being serious?

First of all…screaming about due process??? Do you not believe in due process? Please realize that due process is key to our judicial system. EVERYONE gets due process. No matter how obvious, blatant, or horrific the crime is, due process. It isn’t about protecting criminals. It is about protecting all Americans. At any time, you or I could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and be suspected of a crime. Do you really want to set the precedent where LE can say, “Eh, it really seems like she did it. Just lock her up. No need for a trial”? That’s what we have been fighting here. I don’t know anything about Garcia or this case. I don’t know if he is guilty or innocent. That is beside the point. We should be able to trust the judicial system to accurately determine his guilt or innocence and, if guilty, apply a punishment that fits the crime.

And do you realize that you just admitted he was detained and THEN they did investigating to try to find evidence of him committing a crime? You really think it’s ok to say, “Hey, that tattoo seems questionable. We are going to detain and deport you and then investigate you until we find something sketchy.”

Again, this is not about protecting one person. This is about protecting all of us and our constitution.

He had due process. He met with multiple judges and they all agreed he was eligible for deportation. You are screaming for a hearing that he already had! It was an administrative error to send him to El Salvador but he is an illegal who will still be deported. Only now, he is facing charges for evidence discovered after his removal to El Salvador.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.

They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.

There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.

The DOJ claims he was trafficking people, but there is a filing on record from before the incident with the full disclosure that he was traveling to MD from Texas. Why would someone who was trafficking people notifiy the authorities of the same?

The administration is grasping hard. What an embarrassing week for Trump.

The Tennessee grand jury indictments are very serious. It was not done on a lark. What it really means is that while people like you were screaming due process, the people behind the scenes quietly did some investigating and found out a lot more about the El Salvadoran Kilmar. Which is unfortunate for him, I suppose. Ironically he probably would have been better off quietly accepting the deportation order instead of fighting it. And I wouldn't be surprised if more stuff comes out later, potentially about his activities in El Salvador. He was unquestionably a human trafficker.

If indictments were that serious, Trump would have been ejected from office during his first term and in jail for life now.

It’s really beating a dead horse trying to bring up lawfare against Trump in this discussion. He is your president. Move on.

Do here, but no. We will never move on from the fact that the potus is a convicted criminal.

But actually we did move on. We had an election where we decisively agreed the charges against Trump were nonsense and he was re-elected - along with majorities in the house and senate.

People don’t care about this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

I suspect the withholding of removal to El Salvador doesn’t apply but I haven’t seen confirmation of it.

Agree his deportation orders still apply.

He will never walk free in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

I suspect the withholding of removal to El Salvador doesn’t apply but I haven’t seen confirmation of it.

Agree his deportation orders still apply.

He will never walk free in the US.

Eh. He is already burning down this administration's immigration policy. He destroying public support for Trump and immigration.

He is now being charged with fake charges and Judge Xinis is being asked to consider the crime fraud exception against the government.

You think he will never walk free in the US? I think he probably will. And legitimately, unlike the pardoned Proud Boys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.

They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.

There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.

The DOJ claims he was trafficking people, but there is a filing on record from before the incident with the full disclosure that he was traveling to MD from Texas. Why would someone who was trafficking people notifiy the authorities of the same?

The administration is grasping hard. What an embarrassing week for Trump.

The Tennessee grand jury indictments are very serious. It was not done on a lark. What it really means is that while people like you were screaming due process, the people behind the scenes quietly did some investigating and found out a lot more about the El Salvadoran Kilmar. Which is unfortunate for him, I suppose. Ironically he probably would have been better off quietly accepting the deportation order instead of fighting it. And I wouldn't be surprised if more stuff comes out later, potentially about his activities in El Salvador. He was unquestionably a human trafficker.

Do you really not see anything I constitutional about what you said? Are you being serious?

First of all…screaming about due process??? Do you not believe in due process? Please realize that due process is key to our judicial system. EVERYONE gets due process. No matter how obvious, blatant, or horrific the crime is, due process. It isn’t about protecting criminals. It is about protecting all Americans. At any time, you or I could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and be suspected of a crime. Do you really want to set the precedent where LE can say, “Eh, it really seems like she did it. Just lock her up. No need for a trial”? That’s what we have been fighting here. I don’t know anything about Garcia or this case. I don’t know if he is guilty or innocent. That is beside the point. We should be able to trust the judicial system to accurately determine his guilt or innocence and, if guilty, apply a punishment that fits the crime.

And do you realize that you just admitted he was detained and THEN they did investigating to try to find evidence of him committing a crime? You really think it’s ok to say, “Hey, that tattoo seems questionable. We are going to detain and deport you and then investigate you until we find something sketchy.”

Again, this is not about protecting one person. This is about protecting all of us and our constitution.

He had due process. He met with multiple judges and they all agreed he was eligible for deportation. You are screaming for a hearing that he already had! It was an administrative error to send him to El Salvador but he is an illegal who will still be deported. Only now, he is facing charges for evidence discovered after his removal to El Salvador.

So you understand what happened better than a federal judge or the supreme court?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it good or bad when your own internal report contradicts your indictment on a key fact:

Try reading comprehension. Read it again and then come back and apologize to the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

I suspect the withholding of removal to El Salvador doesn’t apply but I haven’t seen confirmation of it.

Agree his deportation orders still apply.

He will never walk free in the US.

Eh. He is already burning down this administration's immigration policy. He destroying public support for Trump and immigration.

He is now being charged with fake charges and Judge Xinis is being asked to consider the crime fraud exception against the government.

You think he will never walk free in the US? I think he probably will. And legitimately, unlike the pardoned Proud Boys.

Thanks to the Trump administration, US taxpayers will likely be paying for whatever he wins in court when he sues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

I suspect the withholding of removal to El Salvador doesn’t apply but I haven’t seen confirmation of it.

Agree his deportation orders still apply.

He will never walk free in the US.

Eh. He is already burning down this administration's immigration policy. He destroying public support for Trump and immigration.

He is now being charged with fake charges and Judge Xinis is being asked to consider the crime fraud exception against the government.

You think he will never walk free in the US? I think he probably will. And legitimately, unlike the pardoned Proud Boys.

Thanks to the Trump administration, US taxpayers will likely be paying for whatever he wins in court when he sues.

Even if he is acquitted, he will still be deported. Kilmar is welcome to file all the lawsuits he wants from another country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.

They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.

There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.

The DOJ claims he was trafficking people, but there is a filing on record from before the incident with the full disclosure that he was traveling to MD from Texas. Why would someone who was trafficking people notifiy the authorities of the same?

The administration is grasping hard. What an embarrassing week for Trump.

The Tennessee grand jury indictments are very serious. It was not done on a lark. What it really means is that while people like you were screaming due process, the people behind the scenes quietly did some investigating and found out a lot more about the El Salvadoran Kilmar. Which is unfortunate for him, I suppose. Ironically he probably would have been better off quietly accepting the deportation order instead of fighting it. And I wouldn't be surprised if more stuff comes out later, potentially about his activities in El Salvador. He was unquestionably a human trafficker.

If indictments were that serious, Trump would have been ejected from office during his first term and in jail for life now.

It’s really beating a dead horse trying to bring up lawfare against Trump in this discussion. He is your president. Move on.

Do here, but no. We will never move on from the fact that the potus is a convicted criminal.

But actually we did move on. We had an election where we decisively agreed the charges against Trump were nonsense and he was re-elected - along with majorities in the house and senate.

People don’t care about this issue.

You sure about that? Elon Musk just said Trump wouldn’t have won without him. They have both made multiple comments strongly hinting at tampering with the machines. This doesn’t concern you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.

They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.

There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.

The DOJ claims he was trafficking people, but there is a filing on record from before the incident with the full disclosure that he was traveling to MD from Texas. Why would someone who was trafficking people notifiy the authorities of the same?

The administration is grasping hard. What an embarrassing week for Trump.

The Tennessee grand jury indictments are very serious. It was not done on a lark. What it really means is that while people like you were screaming due process, the people behind the scenes quietly did some investigating and found out a lot more about the El Salvadoran Kilmar. Which is unfortunate for him, I suppose. Ironically he probably would have been better off quietly accepting the deportation order instead of fighting it. And I wouldn't be surprised if more stuff comes out later, potentially about his activities in El Salvador. He was unquestionably a human trafficker.

Do you really not see anything I constitutional about what you said? Are you being serious?

First of all…screaming about due process??? Do you not believe in due process? Please realize that due process is key to our judicial system. EVERYONE gets due process. No matter how obvious, blatant, or horrific the crime is, due process. It isn’t about protecting criminals. It is about protecting all Americans. At any time, you or I could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and be suspected of a crime. Do you really want to set the precedent where LE can say, “Eh, it really seems like she did it. Just lock her up. No need for a trial”? That’s what we have been fighting here. I don’t know anything about Garcia or this case. I don’t know if he is guilty or innocent. That is beside the point. We should be able to trust the judicial system to accurately determine his guilt or innocence and, if guilty, apply a punishment that fits the crime.

And do you realize that you just admitted he was detained and THEN they did investigating to try to find evidence of him committing a crime? You really think it’s ok to say, “Hey, that tattoo seems questionable. We are going to detain and deport you and then investigate you until we find something sketchy.”

Again, this is not about protecting one person. This is about protecting all of us and our constitution.

He was always eligible to be detained and deported.

[Anonymous]

If by some chance he beats the multiple charges filed against him, El Salvador will determine that he committed crimes in their country and file to extradite him - which we will happily comply. His attorneys did him a disservice. Instead of focusing on bringing him back for "due process" they should have focused on getting him relocated to another country where he would likely be freely walking around today. I'm happy his attorney's put personal ideology over the best interest of their client, but this guy will spend a long time in prison. If not here, then El Salvador.