Kilmar coming back

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Anonymous wrote:Kilmars lawyers made "BIG MISTAKE" by pushing for his return to U.S.

If he's found guilty, he's gonna spend a long time in prison complaining about his ideological radical lawyers, who made a hero out of him and tried to get him back to the United States when that was not in his own self-interest.

If he's acquitted, they can still bring the deportation charges because the standard of proof is very different in deportation charges ... From the government's point of view, it's a win-win to do it this way.

Have you seen the photos of CECOT? Anyplace is better. A US jail. Deportation. The whole point is that they sent him to a hell hole illegally.

Apparently he wasn't in CECOT. They had him in another jail. Either for PR purposes, or they didn't agree with the MS-13 designation.
Now he will be there after his US prison sentence, or perhaps after sentencing, they will send him back to El Salvador.
I've read his withholding of removal no longer applies.

I suspect the withholding of removal to El Salvador doesn’t apply but I haven’t seen confirmation of it.

Agree his deportation orders still apply.

He will never walk free in the US.

Eh. He is already burning down this administration's immigration policy. He destroying public support for Trump and immigration.

He is now being charged with fake charges and Judge Xinis is being asked to consider the crime fraud exception against the government.

You think he will never walk free in the US? I think he probably will. And legitimately, unlike the pardoned Proud Boys.

Actually he is destroying the reputation of the Democrats beyond how low their reputation already is. When the Democrats work so hard to advocate for a criminal illegal alien instead of citizens the American people see them for who they really are.
Interesting that Van Hollen didn’t advocate nearly as hard for his actual constituents - especially those murdered at the hands of illegal aliens.

Polls do not agree with you. Sorry not sorry.

Republicans consistently beat democrats in polls for which party is trusted more on immigration (Yougov; cnn have the latest).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Now the government has to prove its case it court. I think that they will get embarrassed, but at least both parties now have a say instead of him being abducted and shipped out.

He was never abducted. He was an illegal with removal orders signed off by the courts. Every administration has had errors in deportation - you act as if this has never happened before. For example Obama wrongfully deported a citizen of the us to Mexico. He received $175k in a settlement for emotional suffering.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Exactly. Most people are trying to protect due process for all, but very few care about the actual individual in the case. It's clear he's not an upstanding citizen. This makes the test of the law EVEN MORE VALUABLE AS PRECEDENT. This is why the test case NEEDS to be hashed out on such a person! If even potential criminals can have due process, then all of you DCUM readers will have due process.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Back before the GOP decided deportation was the new boogey man, this would not have seemed so nefarious. In my city, there was a street where Latino men would hang out waiting for work. My BIL was flipping houses at the time. He would go pick some of these guys up, they would do the work , and he paid them. I’m sure many did not have ID, and they didn’t have tools since he had them at the job site. If he did this today, he could be arrested for human smuggling. At the time, it seemed fine and never occurred to me that it could be unlawful.

In other words, in the pre-illegal-aliens-are-so-scary era, a guy driving a van load of guys to a work site would not have raised a lot of eyebrows.

I just don't understand how so many people are so gullible. What is happening with Trump ignoring/ actively defining the judiciary is terrifying. But what is also terrifying is how people are so entrenched in a side and can't see both sides. If you have never heard of human smuggling, read up on it and realize picking up day laborers has nothing to do with what Abrego was doing. If your brother in law traveled 21 hours to pick up laborers across several states and took their cell phones so they couldn't contact anyone then there would be an issue.

[Anonymous]

The evidence against him must not be very compelling.

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Anonymous wrote:The evidence against him must not be very compelling.

You forgot the part where the Judge said he’d be taken into ICE custody and deported anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Now the government has to prove its case it court. I think that they will get embarrassed, but at least both parties now have a say instead of him being abducted and shipped out.

He was never abducted. He was an illegal with removal orders signed off by the courts. Every administration has had errors in deportation - you act as if this has never happened before. For example Obama wrongfully deported a citizen of the us to Mexico. He received $175k in a settlement for emotional suffering.

Stop with the nonsense about this all being a mistake. Yes, there was incompetence at a certain point and then an absolute refusal to address and fix the mistake despite being told to do so BY THE SUPREME COURT.

Then, after fabricating a case against him, the administration proves themselves to be liars by bringing him back effortlessly.

By your own logic, if Obama's wrongfully deported citizen received 175K, Kilmar deserves 100 million.

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Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Back before the GOP decided deportation was the new boogey man, this would not have seemed so nefarious. In my city, there was a street where Latino men would hang out waiting for work. My BIL was flipping houses at the time. He would go pick some of these guys up, they would do the work , and he paid them. I’m sure many did not have ID, and they didn’t have tools since he had them at the job site. If he did this today, he could be arrested for human smuggling. At the time, it seemed fine and never occurred to me that it could be unlawful.

In other words, in the pre-illegal-aliens-are-so-scary era, a guy driving a van load of guys to a work site would not have raised a lot of eyebrows.

I just don't understand how so many people are so gullible. What is happening with Trump ignoring/ actively defining the judiciary is terrifying. But what is also terrifying is how people are so entrenched in a side and can't see both sides. If you have never heard of human smuggling, read up on it and realize picking up day laborers has nothing to do with what Abrego was doing. If your brother in law traveled 21 hours to pick up laborers across several states and took their cell phones so they couldn't contact anyone then there would be an issue.

You don't know what you are talking about. Day laborers travel to other states for jobs every single day, all the time. This is NOT HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

[Anonymous]

The Governor of Texas tricked asylum applicants into traveling to Massachusetts and DC— is he going to be prosecuted for trafficking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Back before the GOP decided deportation was the new boogey man, this would not have seemed so nefarious. In my city, there was a street where Latino men would hang out waiting for work. My BIL was flipping houses at the time. He would go pick some of these guys up, they would do the work , and he paid them. I’m sure many did not have ID, and they didn’t have tools since he had them at the job site. If he did this today, he could be arrested for human smuggling. At the time, it seemed fine and never occurred to me that it could be unlawful.

In other words, in the pre-illegal-aliens-are-so-scary era, a guy driving a van load of guys to a work site would not have raised a lot of eyebrows.

I just don't understand how so many people are so gullible. What is happening with Trump ignoring/ actively defining the judiciary is terrifying. But what is also terrifying is how people are so entrenched in a side and can't see both sides. If you have never heard of human smuggling, read up on it and realize picking up day laborers has nothing to do with what Abrego was doing. If your brother in law traveled 21 hours to pick up laborers across several states and took their cell phones so they couldn't contact anyone then there would be an issue.

You don't know what you are talking about. Day laborers travel to other states for jobs every single day, all the time. This is NOT HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

Texast to St Louis to Maryland is one heck of a day trip. Especially if you factor in a day of work. And to do that every single day LOL... you are so gullible that I actually pity you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Back before the GOP decided deportation was the new boogey man, this would not have seemed so nefarious. In my city, there was a street where Latino men would hang out waiting for work. My BIL was flipping houses at the time. He would go pick some of these guys up, they would do the work , and he paid them. I’m sure many did not have ID, and they didn’t have tools since he had them at the job site. If he did this today, he could be arrested for human smuggling. At the time, it seemed fine and never occurred to me that it could be unlawful.

In other words, in the pre-illegal-aliens-are-so-scary era, a guy driving a van load of guys to a work site would not have raised a lot of eyebrows.

I just don't understand how so many people are so gullible. What is happening with Trump ignoring/ actively defining the judiciary is terrifying. But what is also terrifying is how people are so entrenched in a side and can't see both sides. If you have never heard of human smuggling, read up on it and realize picking up day laborers has nothing to do with what Abrego was doing. If your brother in law traveled 21 hours to pick up laborers across several states and took their cell phones so they couldn't contact anyone then there would be an issue.

You don't know what you are talking about. Day laborers travel to other states for jobs every single day, all the time. This is NOT HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

Texast to St Louis to Maryland is one heck of a day trip. Especially if you factor in a day of work. And to do that every single day LOL... you are so gullible that I actually pity you.

These people aren't the most critical thinkers.
They will twist themselves into pretzels to defend wife-beating, human traffkciking, MS-13 gang members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Back before the GOP decided deportation was the new boogey man, this would not have seemed so nefarious. In my city, there was a street where Latino men would hang out waiting for work. My BIL was flipping houses at the time. He would go pick some of these guys up, they would do the work , and he paid them. I’m sure many did not have ID, and they didn’t have tools since he had them at the job site. If he did this today, he could be arrested for human smuggling. At the time, it seemed fine and never occurred to me that it could be unlawful.

In other words, in the pre-illegal-aliens-are-so-scary era, a guy driving a van load of guys to a work site would not have raised a lot of eyebrows.

I just don't understand how so many people are so gullible. What is happening with Trump ignoring/ actively defining the judiciary is terrifying. But what is also terrifying is how people are so entrenched in a side and can't see both sides. If you have never heard of human smuggling, read up on it and realize picking up day laborers has nothing to do with what Abrego was doing. If your brother in law traveled 21 hours to pick up laborers across several states and took their cell phones so they couldn't contact anyone then there would be an issue.

You don't know what you are talking about. Day laborers travel to other states for jobs every single day, all the time. This is NOT HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

Texast to St Louis to Maryland is one heck of a day trip. Especially if you factor in a day of work. And to do that every single day LOL... you are so gullible that I actually pity you.

These people aren't the most critical thinkers.
They will twist themselves into pretzels to defend wife-beating, human traffkciking, MS-13 gang members.

Lmao…did he have the MS13 on his knuckles? Was he eating the cats and the dogs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The evidence against him must not be very compelling.

You forgot the part where the Judge said he’d be taken into ICE custody and deported anyway.

Yep. Don't expect Klasfeld to include this bit:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Two things can be true at once.

1. It was wrong to deport Mr. Abrego and very alarming and terrifying Trump was openingly disregarding judicial orders. How can we function as a country if judicial decisions aren’t respected and followed?

2. Mr. Abrego is not an upstanding member of society. In May 2021, his wife filed a protective order against Abrego Garcia, claiming he “punched” her, scratched her left eye, threw her laptop on the floor, hit her with a work boot, and left her bruised and bloodied, according to court documents.

He is on video being questioned by police with 7 men in a van in Tennesee. He admits he is transporting them for a construction job in Maryland yet there are no tools, the men have no id or luggage. This is strong evidence of human smuggling.

For all those people who think it isn’t a big deal and he is just acting like an uber driver, human smuggling is exploitative and often violent. Immigrants being smuggled are forced to pay smugglers who take control over borders area. Migrants are transported in unsafe conditions (50 people recently died in a jammed trailer being transported), sometimes held for ransom and not released until paying more money, are often abused, and/or forced to work in horrendous conditions in the US to okay off their debt. Human smuggling is usually controlled by transnational gangs.

Back before the GOP decided deportation was the new boogey man, this would not have seemed so nefarious. In my city, there was a street where Latino men would hang out waiting for work. My BIL was flipping houses at the time. He would go pick some of these guys up, they would do the work , and he paid them. I’m sure many did not have ID, and they didn’t have tools since he had them at the job site. If he did this today, he could be arrested for human smuggling. At the time, it seemed fine and never occurred to me that it could be unlawful.

In other words, in the pre-illegal-aliens-are-so-scary era, a guy driving a van load of guys to a work site would not have raised a lot of eyebrows.

I just don't understand how so many people are so gullible. What is happening with Trump ignoring/ actively defining the judiciary is terrifying. But what is also terrifying is how people are so entrenched in a side and can't see both sides. If you have never heard of human smuggling, read up on it and realize picking up day laborers has nothing to do with what Abrego was doing. If your brother in law traveled 21 hours to pick up laborers across several states and took their cell phones so they couldn't contact anyone then there would be an issue.

You don't know what you are talking about. Day laborers travel to other states for jobs every single day, all the time. This is NOT HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

Texast to St Louis to Maryland is one heck of a day trip. Especially if you factor in a day of work. And to do that every single day LOL... you are so gullible that I actually pity you.

These people aren't the most critical thinkers.
They will twist themselves into pretzels to defend wife-beating, human traffkciking, MS-13 gang members.

Lmao…did he have the MS13 on his knuckles? Was he eating the cats and the dogs?

Pretty much.

I don't know if he ate any pets. Could have. We do know that he abused his wife and trafficked people.

I watched that interview. I don’t know why you guys insist on lying about its contents.

I have serious doubts about the trafficking case. A US attorney resigned over the indictment. Also, the government straight up lied in the indictment about what Garcia said to the officers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Governor of Texas tricked asylum applicants into traveling to Massachusetts and DC— is he going to be prosecuted for trafficking?

That actually was human trafficking.