Probationaries getting fired today

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Anonymous wrote:Are they getting rid of DHS probationary employees? Anyone heard anything about what is going on in CISA? One of my besties just started last week.

Just started last week? Sorry to be blunt, but that was a really stupid move.

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Anonymous wrote:Does probationary mean those under disciplinary action or performance improvement plans in private sector?

THIS is what most americans think when they hear feds on probation which is WHY they dont care.

Yeah I wish they’d say something more like “in their trial period” or “newer hires” so as not to imply any issue with performance. Though we had people who had been at my agency for right under 2 years who were fired— obviously they weren’t really new; attorneys just have longer trial periods.

They’re not going to do that because it’s all part of the propaganda. Low efficiency government workers. Elon says it literally every day: move people from low efficiency government jobs to high-efficiency privacy jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Long term looking out 20-50 years firing everyone hired in 2023 and 2024 and if no new hires occur in 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028 solves down the road a big part of huge pension liability cliff coming down the road.

Even if Bernie Sanders wins the Presidency and in 2029 starts hiring like crazy. Those new people are not eligible for pensions for many many years And by firing all the two year probationary people and not hiring for four years that six year gap in people becoming eligible for pensions is critical.

More people on pension will die each year than will be eligible for a new pension for a good 20 years run given Bernie room to hire.

Plus the new hires in 2029-2033 will be younger, smarter, more AI and computer savy. And cheaper to insure and willing to work longer hours as young and dont know better.

At that point the remaining boomers, Genx and Millenials will all quit or retire once in an office of 21-15 year olds.

The Civil Service Retirement and Disability Fund is considered extremely healthy. There is no pension liability cliff.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard secondhand that attorneys in the probationary period are exempt from the cuts. Is that correct?

No, only at certain agencies. SEC is the only one I heard this about and even am not sure that’s confirmed. CFPB just fired a ton of newer attorneys earlier this week.

So did DOE.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s the largest layoff in US history - could affect 200,000 employees. The largest to this point was IBM in the 90s that affected around 60,000 people.

That’s alot of people. My dad was impacted by those IBM layoffs. He never really recovered.

I wonder how this will impact local unemployment offices, do they have the funding and resources in place right now to support so many people being let go at one time??

200,000 is the total number of probationaries across the whole government, but there appear to be a lot so agencies exempt. All of DoD appears to be exempt and that probably half of them right there. I’m sure a lot is DHS is exempt and that’s likely another 20% or more. Lots of new people at BP, ICE, and TSA since they’ve been non hiring surges the last couple years.

I'd like this to be true, but do you have any solid information/links to back this up?

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Anonymous wrote:My heart breaks for the college hires who just got laid off. Those young adults graduated high school in 2020 and spent most of college under pandemic restrictions.

I wasn’t expecting this. I was expecting a booming economy where everyone has jobs.

This is exactly what we had. Our economy was the envy of the world. Avoided a recession.

Such a waste. And you’re right about the pandemic adults getting screwed again.

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Anonymous wrote:My 40-year-old DH got layoff from the Dept. of VA as a doctor, and he joined the VA less than a year ago. He attended Yale pre-med, Johns Hopkins for medical school, and many years for his medical specialty. He spent three years volunteering for Doctors without Borders. He could have made a lot of money in the private sector, but he chose to work for the VA because he loved this country, and wanted to give back what it had given him as an immigrant from Vietnam. What the Trump administration is doing right now is nothing short of criminal.

I thought medical was exempt?

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Anonymous wrote:Long term looking out 20-50 years firing everyone hired in 2023 and 2024 and if no new hires occur in 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028 solves down the road a big part of huge pension liability cliff coming down the road.

That’s not at all how this works. The civil service pensions are covered by a fund that each worker adds to while they are working. At the moment, the pension fund is well funded and increasing because of the higher deductions from recent hires, so if anything, the elimination of federal workers will cause a pension liability problem today, not in the future.

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3000 at NIH today.

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Can probationary employees be fired for no reason at all? Meaning they are truly "at will"?

Or does there have to be a finding that they are not satisfying performance expectations (and the agency doesn't have to put them on a PIP b/c they are probationary)?

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Anonymous wrote:Can probationary employees be fired for no reason at all? Meaning they are truly "at will"?

Or does there have to be a finding that they are not satisfying performance expectations (and the agency doesn't have to put them on a PIP b/c they are probationary)?

They’re supposed to fire for cause but that’s not what’s happening

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Anonymous wrote:3000 at NIH today.

were they all probationary?

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At will.

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So, Musk is going after the "low hanging fruit" with firing probationary employees and term limited appointments. But, when it comes to career and SES positions, management IS required to use RIFs/VERA programs, right?

They can't just "fire" all the career/SES people on the spot and tell them to leave at 3pm like they did to the probationary people????

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Anonymous wrote:My 40-year-old DH got layoff from the Dept. of VA as a doctor, and he joined the VA less than a year ago. He attended Yale pre-med, Johns Hopkins for medical school, and many years for his medical specialty. He spent three years volunteering for Doctors without Borders. He could have made a lot of money in the private sector, but he chose to work for the VA because he loved this country, and wanted to give back what it had given him as an immigrant from Vietnam. What the Trump administration is doing right now is nothing short of criminal.

I thought medical was exempt?

Nope. they just fired 1k from VA. https://news.va.gov/press-room/va-dismisses-more-than-1000-employees/